THE PRE-TRIB RAPTURE DOES NOT FIT LAST DAYS PROPHECY ABOUT NOAH

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Post trib makes no sense absolutely none. If we are raptured when Jesus takes the throne, then why have a rapture at all? If the just must live through God 's judgement on the wicked, then that is not a righteous God.
 
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My apology for the above post not being properly edited. I'm not used to having only five minutes to do so, My PC is very erratic and makes it difficult for me to respond to anyone that requires any length at all and have it turn out properly,


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Are you using 'Reply With Quote' to create new posts? ( when quoting something from another post )

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we'll be praying and jamming on harps: Rev 5:8

And He came and took the scroll from the right hand of the One seated on the throne. 8When He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp, and they held the golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9And they sang a new song: “Worthy are You to take the scroll and open its seals, because You were slain, and by Your blood You purchased for God those from every tribe and tongue and people and nation.…

And just how does that relte to the pre-trib rapture of the Church?


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With the advent of Alexandrians like Origen, Clement of Alexandria, and Dionysius, the influence of Neo-Platonism affected their belief to an Amill position. The 1st century Church held to a Premill position based on the teaching of our Lord Jesus and His disciples (per Papias who lived in the era of 70-155 A.D.). Amillennialism does not believe in the 1,000 years reign of our Lord Jesus that's to begin at His 2nd coming.

It must be remembered that the concept of Christ's reign with a temporary Messianic kingdom on earth is an idea that originated from the Old Testament prophets, and not from Christianity. The prophets understood that literally, so there's no reason to think the 1,000 years period of Revelation 20 to be non-literal.

As for the origin of a pre-tribulational rapture, several in the pre-trib movement have been caught trying to do historical revisionism in order to try and prove the doctrine originated at much earlier time than 1800's Great Britain. See this link...

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I must disagree with you. Jesus specifically gave His Book of Revelation to His Church through Apostle John, and it is hard-linked to the warning of the kingdom beast of ten horns, ten crowns, and seven heads from the symbols given in the Book of Daniel (see Rev.13:1 AND VERSE 2.) The vision given Daniel of the false one coming to make war upon the saints is shown to be at the very end of this world. There is a plethora of Scripture evidence to prove the prophetic links between the Book of Daniel, Revelation, and Jesus' Olivet Discourse.

The Antichrist and the False Prophet are described in Rev.13 as the beast out of the sea [AC] and the beast out of the earth [FP]. When Jesus returns to the earth, in His second coming, from the marriage to His Bride/Church, recorded in Rev.19:7-8, He will bring His Church with Him, in verse 14. Which consists of everyone who ever believed in Him, both those who previously died in Him, from Pentecost on, together with all those who are on earth alive at His coming, in 1 Thess.4:16. When Jesus returns, He will fight the battle of Armageddon, with His armies from heaven, against the AC, the FP and the ten horns/nations allied to them. The AC and theb FP will be thrown into the lake of fire and the ten nations destroyed, as recorded in Rev.19:11-21. That is not the end of this age. Satan will then be thrown into the Abyss and locked up for 1,000 years, in Rev.29:1-3. The first resurrection will then take placeof the tribulation martyrs/saints, in Rev.20:4. Jesus will then set up His kingdom on earth, and reign for 1,000 years, fulfilling Mt.6:9-13.

When Jesus Millennial reign on earth is over, Satan is released from the Abyss, and again deceives the world and sets up a huge army, God destroys with fire and sulfur from heaven. Satan is thrown into the lake of fire and the army is destroyed, in Rev.20:7-10. The great white throne judgment will then take place together with the second resurrection, in Rev.20:11-15, Death and Hades/Hell are thrown into the lake of fire [no more death] and everyone whose name is not in the book of life is also thrown into the lake of fire. This where the end of our age is. God then provides a new heaven and earth, for all of us who belong to Him, zccording to Rev.21:1.


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Are you using 'Reply With Quote' to create new posts? ( when quoting something from another post )

If you do, you should be able to then utilize 'Preview Post' until you get it like you want it - before clicking 'Submit Reply'.

I went through this process to create this post.

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Thanks for the tip. That will work with shorter posts, but I'm not sure how it would be with longer ones.


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Even if there are christian stragglers in the earth toward the end of the GT, rev 14 has the final harvest,right after the 144k are harvested,and that harvest could be Jews and stragglers w/o the mark.

If, for example, there are 8 billion people on earth when the 7 year tribulation begins, there will be 2,666 billion left at the end, according to the following:

Zechariah 13:8-9King James Version (KJV)[SUP]8" [/SUP]And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein."

In addition to everyone who ever believed in Jesus, whom He will bring with Him in His second coming to the earth from heaven, according to Rev.19:14. There will be no Christians on earth during the tribulation. The Church age ends at the rapture of the Church, before the tribulation begins, as recorded in Jn.14:2-3, 28; 1 Thess.4:16-17 and 2 Thess.2:3 and 7-8.


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After 14 pages, I am still unconvinced of any position. Read Scripture one way it validates one point of view but those same Scripture verses can make the case for the alternate view. Seems to be an issue that just isn't going to get resolved. I don't think I'll waste any more time studying this topic. Thanks for the insights though folks. Even though none of you could make a case to convince me, it was still a fun exercise in study.
 
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After 14 pages, I am still unconvinced of any position. Read Scripture one way it validates one point of view but those same Scripture verses can make the case for the alternate view. Seems to be an issue that just isn't going to get resolved. I don't think I'll waste any more time studying this topic. Thanks for the insights though folks. Even though none of you could make a case to convince me, it was still a fun exercise in study.
There are no postrib rapture verses.

But if I missed something please show me one.
 
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After 14 pages, I am still unconvinced of any position. Read Scripture one way it validates one point of view but those same Scripture verses can make the case for the alternate view. Seems to be an issue that just isn't going to get resolved. I don't think I'll waste any more time studying this topic. Thanks for the insights though folks. Even though none of you could make a case to convince me, it was still a fun exercise in study.
Good evening Yahweh-is-gracious,

Don't give up on it. End-time prophecy, just like every Biblical subject, is in God's word because He wants us to know it, to search it out. There is nowhere in scripture that says "here it is, this is where the gathering of the church takes place!" The answer is found from being familiar with all of the scriptures relating to this subject. To do this one must study other prophetic events that are related to the gathering of the church and end-time events. In no particular order:

* The timing and nature of God's coming wrath

* The Lord's return to end the age

* The gathering of the church

* The thousand year reign of Christ and its characteristics

* The seventy seven year periods decreed upon Israel and Jerusalem and other end-time events described in Daniel

* Understanding that Israel and the Church are two different entities and programs

* The church and the great tribulation saints are two different groups

* Christ's sacrifice and its full meaning for those who believe

* The following should always be applied: receive what you are reading in the literal sense, unless it is obvious that another interpretation needs to be applied, such as symbolic or allegorical meaning.

By studying the above and cross-referencing scripture, one begins to get a better understanding of when the gathering of the church takes place in relation to the other prophetic events. You can start with the following:

* You are here *

"Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.Therefore encourage one another with these words."

So, you could start with all of the characteristics of the scripture above concluding that the above event must take place at some point in time and that simply because it is in the word of God. And not only that, but it is a promise from the Lord. Next, you could compare the above with the Lord's promise found in John 14:1-3 which is directly related to the above event, as you will find that they are synonymous.

I would suggest not reading any books on the subject, youtube, websites, etc., but only sticking to the word of God, otherwise you're just getting someone else's interpretation.
 
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The Antichrist and the False Prophet are described in Rev.13 as the beast out of the sea [AC] and the beast out of the earth [FP].
Not quite correct.

The first beast of Rev.13:1-2 is about a kingdom, not an entity.

That's why Jesus linked it to the beast systems in Daniel 7 with the animal symbols, symbols which represented the kingdom beast mainly. A second proof of this is how it's the "dragon" that gives this 1st beast its power, and also how it's this 1st beast that receives a deadly wound to one of its seven heads, which Jesus said are "seven mountains" (Rev.17).

Rev 13:11-12
11 And I beheld
another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of
the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
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I know it's difficult in Rev.13 to keep the two different beast concepts apart because of how the verses change back and forth about the two beasts, but that must be done. The 2nd beast ("another beast", "dragon") exercises all the power of the "first beast" (kingdom). That 2nd beast is the coming Antichrist. There's NO mention of a "false prophet" in Rev.13; that's an idea we only come to later in Rev.16, 19, & 20.

The parallel Scripture about that "another beast", a 2nd beast, is given in Matt.24:23-26 with the coming of a pseudo-Christ (pseudochristos in the Greek). That's who our Lord Jesus warned us about that will come doing great signs and wonders on earth that would be so powerful in deception that if possible, it would deceive His own very elect. It's the same one Apostle Paul mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 that is to come to sit in the temple of God in Jerusalem, and show himself that he is God, and exalt himself over all that is called God, or that is worshiped. That... is this "another beast", the coming Antichrist (or more properly, the 'instead-of-Christ'), working great signs and wonders on earth like 2 Thess.2:9-10 shows. That's the link with Rev.13:13-14 of his doing great wonders so that he makes fire rain down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.

There's only one who will have power to do those great signs and wonders, i.e., the Devil himself, which the "dragon" is simply one of his many titles (Rev.12:9).

When Jesus returns to the earth, in His second coming, from the marriage to His Bride/Church, recorded in Rev.19:7-8, He will bring His Church with Him, in verse 14. Which consists of everyone who ever believed in Him, both those who previously died in Him, from Pentecost on, together with all those who are on earth alive at His coming, in 1 Thess.4:16.
But there is NOTHING written there saying He gathers His Church prior to the great tribulation He warned us about, so why add that idea which is not written?

We do... have a timing He gave us, along with what Apostles Paul and Peter were given to teach. It's that He returns to gather His Church on the "day of the Lord", which is the FINAL DAY of this world. That's what Paul and Peter said will come "as a thief in the night", and Jesus in Rev.16:15 on the 6th Vial said He comes "as a thief", while still warning the Church in that verse.

But Pre-trib tries to move that "day of the Lord" event backwards, to the start of the great tribulation, which does not work. Per Peter in 2 Pet.3:10, the elements of man's works are burned up on that "day of the Lord" that will come "as a thief in the night". That means trib time is OVER.

How much common sense does it take to figure out the Pre-trib doctors are lying about the timing of that event, especially since Paul and Peter taught the "day of the Lord" will come "as a thief", and man's works are to be consumed on that day?

The Old Testament prophets were given to write much about that "day of the Lord" event, as it will END this present world and usher us into the next world of Christ's Millennial reign of Rev.20.


When Jesus returns, He will fight the battle of Armageddon, with His armies from heaven, against the AC, the FP and the ten horns/nations allied to them. The AC and theb FP will be thrown into the lake of fire and the ten nations destroyed, as recorded in Rev.19:11-21.
That's right, by the time He gets to Jerusalem He will have already gathered His Church on the way, as that is the same timing He gathers His Church. He and His angels fight the battle of Armageddon, not us. It's important to realize that the dragon and false prophet are ROLES that Satan will play, as no flesh born man is judged until when??? And if you say ANY flesh man is judged before the Great White Throne Judgment, then you go directly against God's Holy Writ.

That is not the end of this age. Satan will then be thrown into the Abyss and locked up for 1,000 years, in Rev.29:1-3. The first resurrection will then take placeof the tribulation martyrs/saints, in Rev.20:4. Jesus will then set up His kingdom on earth, and reign for 1,000 years, fulfilling Mt.6:9-13.
That's strange, my Bible says BOTH resurrections, the "resurrection of life" and the "resurrection of damnation" will occur on the day of Jesus' 2nd coming:

John 5:28-29
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which
all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth;
they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
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Did you not know that John 5:28-29 existed???

When Jesus Millennial reign on earth is over, Satan is released from the Abyss, and again deceives the world and sets up a huge army, God destroys with fire and sulfur from heaven. Satan is thrown into the lake of fire and the army is destroyed, in Rev.20:7-10. The great white throne judgment will then take place together with the second resurrection, in Rev.20:11-15, Death and Hades/Hell are thrown into the lake of fire [no more death] and everyone whose name is not in the book of life is also thrown into the lake of fire. This where the end of our age is. God then provides a new heaven and earth, for all of us who belong to Him, zccording to Rev.21:1.
Yes, that's correct, but you haven't really explained what the inferred second resurrection is really about. If the wicked dead are resurrected unto the "resurrection of damnation" like our Lord Jesus said in John 5:28-29, then that means they go through the 1,000 years reign by Christ. Every soul must have an opportunity to make their choice to believe on The Father and The Son, and The Holy Spirit, or perish in the lake of fire, and that must be done in full knowledge of His existence. During that future 1,000 years, no man will be able to deny the existence of God. All will know, with no excuse to refuse to Him. That is why the wicked dead that are raised on the day of Jesus' 2nd coming must be raised at the start of the 1,000 years also, which is what John 5:28-29 reveals.

So once again, if the wicked dead are already raised on the day of Christ's 2nd coming, then what kind of resurrection is the 2nd inferred one at the end of the Millennium?
 

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After 14 pages, I am still unconvinced of any position. Read Scripture one way it validates one point of view but those same Scripture verses can make the case for the alternate view. Seems to be an issue that just isn't going to get resolved. I don't think I'll waste any more time studying this topic. Thanks for the insights though folks. Even though none of you could make a case to convince me, it was still a fun exercise in study.
But a good majority of those pages were pro Pre-trib Rapture views from men's doctrines.
 

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The first beast of Rev.13:1-2 is about a kingdom, not an entity.


The word "Beast" in Rev.13 represents both the kingdom and the ruler of that kingdom, the antichrist.

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But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of themwere thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. The rest were killed with the sword coming out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.

The language here, "The two of them" could not be referring to a kingdom, but as two individual beings. In further support of this, they are said to be thrown "Alive" into the lake of fire, which would also indicate that they are two individuals. And as further proof that these two are entities/individuals, the following verse says "the rest were killed with the sword coming out of the mouth of the rider on the horse." Since "the rest" are definitely identified as people, then it would link the beast and the false prophet as also being individual persons, being associated with "the rest."
 
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Understanding Scripture of when our Lord Jesus comes to gather us is not... that difficult to understand. Scrap all the men's doctrines that are intended to cause confusion about it and stick to Holy Writ, and there shouldn't be a problem with understanding it.


Rev 16:15-20
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Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

16 And He gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath.

20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
KJV


That's our Lord Jesus speaking that He comes "as a thief", as He is warning His Church there, during what Vial timing? That's right, the 6th Vial. That means the next event coming there is the 7th Vial, to include the battle of Armageddon which will end this world on the "day of the Lord."

What's that "day of the Lord" event?

It's an event that ENDS this present world and begins the next with Christ's 1,000 years reign.

When that "day of the Lord" comes, it will END... man's reign and control over this earth, and The LORD only... will be exalted on that day:

Isa 2:10-12
10 Enter into the rock, and hide thee in the dust, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of His majesty.

11 The lofty looks of man shall be humbled, and the haughtiness of men shall be bowed down, and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day.

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the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:
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What exactly will the coming Antichrist and his servants be doing during... the great tribulation our Lord warned us about? Will they be "brought low" during that tribulation? NO, of course not!!!

Instead, the Antichrist and his wicked servants during coming tribulation will be persecuting the Church on earth, especially in the latter part of the tribulation just prior to Jesus' 2nd coming. Per Rev.13, we are told the "dragon" is given power to make war with the saints, and has power over the earth for 42 months.

So what kind of false prophet would ever... think to say this "day of the Lord" event happens at the START of the great tribulation???

Here's another proof of how we 'know'... the "day of the Lord" event will occur ONLY at the end of this world, to end the tribulation, ushering in Christ's 1,000 years future reign:

2 Peter 3:10
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the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
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Now how... could the Antichrist and his wicked servants on earth still be doing their evil on earth when the elements melt with fervent heat on that day of the Lord, burning the elements of man's works off it? They won't be, because that "day of the Lord" event is the timing at the end of the tribulation, it ends the trib.

And didn't our Lord Jesus say He comes "as a thief"??? YES!!!

What timing did Peter say above that "day of the Lord" event is to happen? It's to happen "as a thief in the night" per Peter!

There you have it, our Lord Jesus' 2nd coming to gather His Church is on... that "day of the Lord" that will come "as a thief in the night", as Jesus said He comes "as a thief" per Rev.16:15.
 
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End times is an interesting academic exercise. I don't have attachment to it beyond that. I don't approach it with any hope of figuring anything out once and for all or being right. I've enjoyed being able to have something to study though.
 

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End times is an interesting academic exercise. I don't have attachment to it beyond that. I don't approach it with any hope of figuring anything out once and for all or being right. I've enjoyed being able to have something to study though.
You know something brother, I agree 100%. I have my view of what the text says, but the more important thing is I have His Spirit in me to guide me too all truth. It leads me a certain way as far as what I believe about the timing of the rapture, but again He also leads me to know I'm not infallible either. and I absolutely do also believe that someone else filled with the same Spirit as I am could believe otherwise for any number of reasons. I too agree it should not be a "divisive" issue. I don't think it's unhealthy to discuss these things either, to lay out and hear each others case, but the second it starts making us get ugly with each other it should be sidelined. I don't believe it will ever justify the kind of behavior and words I've seen thrown around, and in fact thrown around my own self.

I also have been noticing the real handicaps that trying to communicate with text, faceless over the internet, really presents. It's really hard to honestly connect, truly connect, with people this way. Especially when it is two people trying to teach each other.

I know I've found it harder anyway, but I really just wanted to say I fully agree with you about this, lol sorry it turned so long.

I also feel I need to add an apology to this particular comment.

Popeye, I need to ask forgiveness for the ways I have come at you a couple times concerning this topic. I was never meaning to be "rude" or "mean", but I have thrown some inappropriate opinions about how you were speaking in a thread, all while I did the exact same thing to you that I was being critical of. I let the topic and emotions get involved, and you can't "do" emotion very well in text, or I can't anyway. Anyway brother I was wrong, and I'm sorry I see it a whole new way now thanks to Him.

Everyone else please have a good day too.
 

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You are correct that no one can know the day or the hour and that because there are no signs preceding His imminent appearing to gather his church. But for those who put the churches gathering as being the same event as when he returns to the earth to end the age, there are a whole lot of events that must take place prior to his return, namely the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, which are the wrath of God. The other events would be those of the antichrist when he makes his seven year covenant and his setting up of the abomination, which would mark the middle of that seven year period. According to Revelation, Jesus return to the earth can only take place after the 7th bowl has been poured out and not before. If I was on the earth during that time, I could follow Revelation like a road map. I would know everything that was going to happen one after another. On the other hand, the gathering of the church is not like that, as there are no signs preceding the Bridegroom coming for his bride.
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Don't forget about Daniel chapter 11. It gives a timeline of Middle East empires from Daniels time to Armageddon. In Matthew chapter 24, Jesus said that he would come at some point after the appearance of the Abomination that causes Desolation and that is referenced to in Daniel 11:31. In putting the two together I think we have a pretty fair idea of what will be happening and in what order. Revelation is only part of it.
 

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Rev 16:15-20
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Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

16 And He gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath.

20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
KJV


That's our Lord Jesus speaking that He comes "as a thief", as He is warning His Church there, during what Vial timing? That's right, the 6th Vial. That means the next event coming there is the 7th Vial, to include the battle of Armageddon which will end this world on the "day of the Lord."
That is not our Lord speaking to His church, but to the saints who make it through the tribulation period. By your claim, you would be putting the church through the entire wrath of God, which scripture states we are not appointed to suffer and that because Jesus suffered the wrath that we deserve on our behalf.

Your problem is the same, in that you don't recognize the gathering of the church from the Lord's return to end the age. When these things are pointed out to you, you just circumvent them and continue on.

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I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war. His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean."

* Who is the rider on the white horse?

* who is following Him out of heaven riding on white horses wearing fine linen, white and clean?

* Who is receiving the white linen, and where are they when they receive it?

The answers to the above questions alone support that the church is already in heaven when Christ begins His descent to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom.

By the way, the words "as a thief" is not unique to only the gathering of the church, but is also used of the Lord's return to end the age.
 
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Hello Crustyone,

n Matthew chapter 24, Jesus said that he would come at some point after the appearance of the Abomination that causes Desolation and that is referenced to in Daniel 11:31.


Just to be clear, Matt.24 does not state that Jesus would come at some point after the appearance of the abomination. What it does say is,

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So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand—then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

Also, the reference of the abomination that Jesus is quoting from is Dan.9:27. The setting up of the abomination marks the middle of the seven year period when that ruler, the antichrist, sets up the abomination and stands in the temple proclaiming himself to be God. When Israel sees this, they are to flee to the mountains and get out of there. Rev.12:6,14 also refer to this event where she flees out into the desert and is cared for by God in the place where he will have prepared for her. She will remain in that place until the Lord returns 1,260 days later, which is the last 3 1/2 years of that seven year period. At the end of that last 3 1/2 years is when Jesus will return, which is still future since we have not even entered into that seven year period.