The Prestige of the Saints and Mary? What's up with Catholicism?

[oOfallen_angelOo]

For starters I have respect for the catholic belief system - however, every since I went to catholic church and attended school, the whole saints and Mary thing always seemed weird.

I was continually asked why I refused to say the " Hail Mary," prayer or send my prayers to her, and one of my best friends was trying to explain how each saint has some special title or something, like praying to Mark for protection or some specification like that.

It seems so sketch to me honestly, especially the Mary thing.

Mary for starters, was just a prophetess that God used to carry out his will; I respect her as far as her being sinless and a good christian example, but seriously all this stuff about her being the " Holy Mother of God " she is a mere woman who did what God told her too out of good faith. There is nothing and was nothing divine about her. She has no authority to forgive sins or answer prayers or mediated between God and us, because the bible says that the only mediator to God is Christ:

" For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Jesus Christ..."

1 Timothy 2:5

Jesus Christ never prayed to Mary or revered in such a way - so I don't understand why Mary has suddenly become this Mother of God spiritual oracle? Some say she was free of sin, but no being on earth had their sins uncounted before Jesus's Christ sacrifice. She was a God fearing woman nonetheless and had a heart for Father, but Mary was a typical human being - a sinner like the rest of us ( most likely an unintentional one,) who had a heart and mind for God, and he blessed her to carry out his will.


"In a loud voice she called out, “God has blessed you more than other women. And blessed is the child you will have! 43 But why is God so kind to me? Why has the mother of my Lord come to me?

That verse when Mary talks about " mother of God," she's speaking in a sense of it being a title as she's asking why has God chosen her to be blessed and give birth to the physical Lord Jesus - not that she's declaring she is some Holy divine Mother of God. That's why it is in a question form.

As far as the saints, I didn't really get the gist of praying to them either for the same reason. Only God can forgive sins, and again only Christ is the mediator between God and men, that is why the apostles constantly said pray in the name of Jesus Christ, not pray in my name or any other person's name. I figure it is done this way to avoid confusion and giving man authority like God; plus it is also a testament of faith, because you have to first believe Jesus is savior in order to believe he will hear the prayers and forgive one's sins.

I suppose this is why the pope came to be called " Holy Father," even though the bible says:

" And do not call anyone on earth ' father' for you have only one Father, and he is in heaven."

Matthew 23:9

Odd God would need to specify that; a lot of catholic priest are called " father" in a spiritual sense and it crosses that threshold that God seems to be warning against here. Why is he warning? I figure it has something to do with people misleading with the gospel due to these titles, and even some acting as false prophets :/

I read the cathechism a bit and it does an okay job of trying to sugarcoat that it sorta overlooks context declared in the bible.

Such a huge power as the Pope too seems sketchy and the Catholic Church was quite the authority in history, still is now as it has the most denominational believers ( 50 million,) I last read - I mean we're talking about a church that overstepped the authority of the government and regulated the killings of hundreds of people via the Inquisition, witch hunts etc - all under the authority of the " Holy Father," the pope at that time. Not to mention the various council meetings like Nicea in which the church pretty much decided the way it wanted religion to go, again under the authority of a human man whom many to believe to be some mediator to God. Um, dunno bout that.

Anyway, I mean no disrespect, I'm just really curious about this denomination, because it's so popular but takes on it's own interesting way of deciphering God and regulating this and that.

Not to mention that the Catholic Church got rid of the 2nd commandment about making images of things in Heaven or earth, and a lot of catholic churches are adorned with crucifixes, statues of Mary and this and that. I believe there are several occasions in which the pope bows down before a statue of the virgin Mary - which there are rumors that the statue of Mary holding Jesus was adopted from a pagan goddess who was also holding her son.

Matter of factly, Jesus Christ's life has been perpetuated through the lives of other pagan gods as almost a copy; I know from history there was a time when pagans and christians commenced together, so it wouldn't be surprising that some ideas got shared or traded here and there. Only problem is that now no one knows who's following correctly according to the bible, because every person has their own interpretation and spin on it, as the Reformation allowed subjective translation and understanding of the bible depending on the reader. The Catholic Church was the first to split between the Easter and Western churches, which is when the councils took place and things went from there.

What's odd is that Jesus said this all was to happen when he departed, and even in reading the books after Jesus's death, the apostles already begin to experience people of the churches waivering a bit in the gospel that Jesus left behind.

Idk lol - just what's been on my mind lately

I'm obviously no theologian ha ha, so forgive me for lack of being scholarly in the finer details of Catholicism; these are but the bigger ideas I've noticed. The Catholic church is kind of scary a little bit, so much bloodshed in it's history and popes who lived and still live practically like kings being carried around, adorned in fine clothes and praised as some " Holy Father."

How is one sure the Pope is truly of heart? I know there are a lot of steps a pope must take to become pope, but who is regulating these steps really? A manuscript made by the church itself over time ( by mere men of the church?) whom declare that " God " made the choice?

I mean even looking at the people God picked in the bible; Judas was to betray God, I think one of the disciples was a tax collector and another persecuted Christians; these men weren't " holy " by standards, and yet God called them randomly to do his will. How does one know for sure that the Pope has been called by God? Does he abide by God's true regulations as said in the bible? Or has the church created it's own divine authority and has carried out it's decision via that way?

I read a while ago that there is a belief that the Catholic Church is " without fallacy," and I was told many times when I attended catholic school that the church was, " The true church God established." How can one be so sure? Especially with a church that has it's own spin on the bible " le catechism," which an ex catholic said something about one of the adult type catechisms saying something about the bible not being the 100% way to salvation, and that's why the church had to express it in another book and explain the true way to salvation ( sketchy much?) the crosses, the statues, the " holy fathers," the authority - the Catholic church is kind of creepy no offense.

Plus it's been pretty controlling and intense in it's history - like I read about the " selling of indulgences," which people bought to excuse their sin? What church has the authority to forgive sin?

Idk - again I don't mean to be offensive or anything, but Catholicism just seems a bit sketch.

If you want to answer the questions I'll bullet point them so they'll be easier:

1.) Why is Mary revered as the Mother of God, and prayed too like a goddess or divine authority figure?

2.) Why are the saints prayed to in a similar manner as Mary?

3.) Do you believe the Catholic Church has a lot of power in it's history? Do you think it is still a powerful spiritual force these days?

4.) Why is the Pope addressed as " Holy Father," is he believed to be of God or a mediator to God?

5.) Does the Catholic Church really have the true authority of God to be labeled as infaliable?

6.) Can a true church of God be one that persecuted so many Christians long ago?

7.) Do you believe Mary, the rosary, and saints have " power " of some sort to be revered as they are?

8.) What is the real purpose of the catechism? Was the bible not enough?

9.) Did men of the church through history begin to enforce their own teachings instead? Did people ( protestants,) also began conducting their own teachings and interpretations instead?

10.) What's better with milk; chocolate chip cookies or oreo's?

Thanks for listening ^^

Again I mean no anger to anyone - just a curious christian girl, making sure her faith is in the right place

 

[kenisyes]

Having been highly educated in the Catholic School system, agreeing with your point of view, having the afternoon free, and wanting to get to question 10, I'll do what I can for you on the other 9.

1. Mary is the mother of Jesus. If you think in Greek or Latin, Jesus is God. The Catholics were thinking in Greek and Latin, and that's where "Mother of God" came from. Officially it is a sin to worship Mary (the correct view is to pray to her), but they don't enforce it too much, so people get the wrong idea.

2. The idea is that the saints are in heaven with God. That means they are not really dead. Praying to them is like asking a friend on earth to pray with you when you need something. Then they make a list of what prayers they think get answered when they pray to certain saints, or what certain saints did in their lifetime. That's where they get the list of who is patron saint of what. Mary gets prayed to more, on the theory that Jesus will never refuse anything His mother asks Him; if you get her to pray with you, you stand a better chance of getting what you want.

3. The Catholic Church controlled all of the western world for almost 1000 years. Literally, political, economic, education, all of it. Their power today is mostly in people's minds. They still own a little country about the size of a regional shopping mall.

4. Throughout most of the time of Catholic control, most people were illiterate (remember that for the rest of the questions). There were lots of wars, famines, illnesses. It was very difficult for more than 2 or 3% of the population to get any education beyond even 3rd or 4th grade. The few who could, were encouraged to "major in" theology and become priests. Compared to this handful, the masses were "children" intellectually. That's why priests are called "father"; that is the role they performed, protecting and training their "children". The Pope is supposed to be the one priest we can depend on to be closest to God, so he is the "Holy Father". Anyone who believes a pope is automatically of God, has not studied his history. There were often bitter struggles between several people wanting to be pope at one time. Some popes are said to have practiced devil worship in secret rooms. Any of us can be a mediator of God: If I am thinking of sinning, and you encourage me not to, you have mediated the Word of God to me, right? If I ask you to pray with me, you are mediating to God with me.

5. They are the only ones who label themselves that way. It works like this: "I never lie. I'm not lying now. That's how you know you can trust me." Could God do it? Of course. Did God do it? I can quote contradictory papal teaching. You can see the fruit yourself. The third pope, Clement, writes to the Corinthians that when you stop agreeing with the pastor, it's time to leave the church, and take your gifts to the whole world.

6. If there is a true church of God, then there must be a false church of God? Jesus says there is just His church, and Revelation mentions the synagogue of Satan. My personal belief is that (Catholics, and) anyone (else) who wants to follow Jesus, are all in the Church. We all stand at different sides of Jesus, so we all see Him a little different. We can either say each other is wrong, or we can see each other is different.

7. They have the same power as a walking under a ladder or spilling salt. If you want to revere someone, revere Jesus living in you. Actually, if we let Jesus live in us, we could all be respecting each other. Remember, they had no education, no way to know Jesus could live in them.

8. No education. They had to make it "simple". "Fathers" teaching "children".

9. Imagine Jesus at the center of a circle. All His followers are gathered around Him. The crowd is so large, that some people offer to get closer to Jesus to get a better look, and come back and tell what they see. These people make a big circle around Jesus, and see what they can see from far. Each one sees a different part of Jesus, comes back to his group, and gives His report. Now everybody starts talking among his group. Later, when people learn to read, write, and do electronics and internet, they start comparing notes, and realize their stories don't match. Now some of them start fighting, so a new group of leaders emerges to control the fighting, and each of them gets a following. That's pretty much what happened. Notice, nobody ever meant to do anything wrong. The upshot of all this, is that as soon as those guys who made the circle so they could look at Jesus and go back report, got done making their report, and everyone started arguing, Jesus went away to one side, and sat down and talked one-on-one to anyone who wanted His personal attention. Most of the crowds were too busy discussing whatever their report told them, and later to busy fighting to notice. Now, you can be in the big group over here, or the big group over there, or anyone of the thousand little groups, discussing a personal view of someone who is long dead, and maybe fighting, or you can walk away and sit down with Jesus and get some personal quality time.

10. Honey. God told me I shouldn't eat white flour or white sugar.

 

[oOfallen_angelOo]

Nice responses ^^

I did not know about the educational aspect of " father " and " children," it seems weird though why the title wouldn't have just been student and teacher; I mean, you don't need a degree to get the gist of that relationship, and even in the school like institutions outside of religion, I don't think people addressed their teachers as " father." What's interesting is that father is spoken in a reverance way toward the Pope; like he is a fatherly guide of the spirit, like God is the true Father guide of our spirits. God's people in the bible are also referred to as the " children" in various cases so maybe they adopted this from the bible originally?

- As far as mediation, only priest picked by God were said to mediate; not just any person. The priest would also have to do a multitude of sacrifices and could only enter the holy temple at certain times to appeal to God for the people. God selected his priest, and Jesus came in the order of Malchezedek and was clearly the mediator. The verse I mentioned about the mediation of Christ surely backs this up as well. A mediator is not someone who shares the gospel, but someone who is directly connected to God and mediates from the physical world to the spiritual one. If anyone could do this, then this verse would have been wrong in saying only Jesus Christ is the mediator, and the bible of course cannot be wrong.

- As far as refusing request from his mother; God doesn't forsake anyone essentially, so Mary there is already kind of pointless since when one goes to Jesus Christ, they are automatically being mediated for by the savior himself. Same deal with the saints - they just aren't really necessary. Usually when people want something, they ask for it themselves and if they appeal to a mediator, it's usually a person who has some type of actual authority, like asking an employee to appeal to a employer for you because they are in a position and have more authority to put in a good word for you at that moment. Mary or the saints are never shown to have that authority; people assumed they did given God's pick of em.

- Hmm about Jesus and the circle example; yes everyone will have their different take on Jesus, however, what Jesus spoke had only one true meaning. Only the author knows his works; thus when Jesus opened his mouth as God, revealing parables ( which are hidden messages to the kingdom of heaven,) there is only one essential meaning behind what he spoke. However, the truth to them was only given to select people; the disciples, because they had faith and truly believed. That is why when asked why he spoke in parables in Matthew, Jesus said that this spiritual insight was given to them; and even though others see or hear the word of God, they still may be spiritually blind and deaf to it.

Everyone these days has their own little spin, and with hundreds of Christian denominations, it's safe to say no one really knows the truth lol

Ha ha but cookies are soooo delicious xD are you allergic to flour or something?

 

[Rock022]

As a returning Catholic I will try to answer some nut most take it one at a time.

1.) Why is Mary revered as the Mother of God, and prayed too like a goddess or divine authority figure?

- If you were taught to pray to Her as a Goddess they are wrong and need to be reported to the proper channels, this is a heresy.
- If they where teaching you to ask her for Her prayers, there is nothing wrong with that.

2.) Why are the saints prayed to in a similar manner as Mary?

An answer to both questions.
Asking one to pray for you in no way violates Christ’s mediatorship, as can be seen from considering the way in which Christ is a mediator.

 

[jimmydiggs]

1.) Why is Mary revered as the Mother of God, and prayed too like a goddess or divine authority figure?

Originally, to accomodate the pagans and encourage them to adopt Catholicism. The practice was repeated in the new world by the Spanish when they were teaching the Mexica and Maya catholicism.

2.) Why are the saints prayed to in a similar manner as Mary?

Officially, they believe it is not different than if I spoke to you or wrote you a letter. Yet, they communicate with them telepathically it would seem. Essentially it is a subtle form of idolatry.

3.) Do you believe the Catholic Church has a lot of power in it's history? Do you think it is still a powerful spiritual force these days?

More so in the past. It's sort of like the British and the French. At one time they were a mighty force, but much of the power has waned.

4.) Why is the Pope addressed as " Holy Father," is he believed to be of God or a mediator to God?

They believe he is the Vicar of Christ.

5.) Does the Catholic Church really have the true authority of God to be labeled as infaliable?

No, only scripture (and God of course).

6.) Can a true church of God be one that persecuted so many Christians long ago?

Possibly.

7.) Do you believe Mary, the rosary, and saints have " power " of some sort to be revered as they are?

No, only God.

8.) What is the real purpose of the catechism? Was the bible not enough?

Catechisms in general are meant as teaching tools.

9.) Did men of the church through history begin to enforce their own teachings instead?

Yes, many have injected their preferences over what God had said.

Did people ( protestants,) also began conducting their own teachings and interpretations instead?

Many have and do. These forums are a good example. Some of it is intentional, some of it is unintentional.

10.) What's better with milk; chocolate chip cookies or oreo's?

 

[Rock022]

Would you go to an atheist and ask what's up with the christians? Why go to the people who do not belief to explain this to you?

 

[jimmydiggs]

Would you go to an atheist and ask what's up with the christians? Why go to the people who do not belief to explain this to you?

If you want a more evidentially objective approach, asking an atheist whether Christianity is true or not would be a good choice (as far as it facilitates the end goal).

 

[Rock022]

Go to this chat and ask your catholic questions you will get much better answers than here.

Link here ---> Chatzy - Catholicism Chat <---

 

[Trax]

1. Mary is the mother of Jesus. If you think in Greek or Latin, Jesus is God. The Catholics were thinking in Greek and Latin, and that's where "Mother of God" came from. Officially it is a sin to worship Mary (the correct view is to pray to her), but they don't enforce it too much, so people get the wrong idea.

Mary is still in the grave. Worship versus pray, is just terminology. You shouldn't do either.
Its a spiritual act, with someone in the grave, that God does not like. The person takes Jesus'
authority and glory, and gives it to someone in the grave. No one can communicate with Mary
in the physical realm and Mary can not communicate with anyone else in the physical. Her body is
decayed. When someone prays the rosary or to Mary, saint or whatever, that person opens up
their heart and mind to any lying spiritual entity, willing to be whoever you want it to be. Satan is
the father of lies. He will claim to be Mary, and then give you doctrine. God forbids doing what RC's
do, but they have constantly submitted their hearts and minds to any lying spirit, for so long, and
gotten so much doctrine, they don't really know what is truth now. What the people in the RCC do
is the very same act of UFOlogist do when they try to channel a UFO Alien for messeges.
They aren't contacting an alien, but a lying spirit that will satisfy their desire of alien contact, in order
to feed them lies. Its the same practice.

 

[kenisyes]

Nice responses ^^

I did not know about the educational aspect of " father " and " children," it seems weird though why the title wouldn't have just been student and teacher; I mean, you don't need a degree to get the gist of that relationship, and even in the school like institutions outside of religion, I don't think people addressed their teachers as " father." What's interesting is that father is spoken in a reverance way toward the Pope; like he is a fatherly guide of the spirit, like God is the true Father guide of our spirits. God's people in the bible are also referred to as the " children" in various cases so maybe they adopted this from the bible originally?

Everything the Catholics believe has a Bible quote to back it. They give it their own spin, and ignore other verses to get it that way. It's mostly things that worked good at one time, and became the traditional way of doing things. Customs from other cultures seem weird a lot of times.

- As far as mediation, only priest picked by God were said to mediate; not just any person. The priest would also have to do a multitude of sacrifices and could only enter the holy temple at certain times to appeal to God for the people. God selected his priest, and Jesus came in the order of Malchezedek and was clearly the mediator. The verse I mentioned about the mediation of Christ surely backs this up as well. A mediator is not someone who shares the gospel, but someone who is directly connected to God and mediates from the physical world to the spiritual one. If anyone could do this, then this verse would have been wrong in saying only Jesus Christ is the mediator, and the bible of course cannot be wrong.

I was giving you that to show the slant they put on the term. You are correct. We are actually using a different definition. Jesus is the only person who can mediate in any true sense of the word. However, both the pope and each other can repeat God's word, and pray with us. That is not true mediation, since there is no direct power in it. The Greek word is mesites, literally meaning a carrier of messages (as I used it), but in Scriptural context it means a reconciler.

- As far as refusing request from his mother; God doesn't forsake anyone essentially, so Mary there is already kind of pointless since when one goes to Jesus Christ, they are automatically being mediated for by the savior himself. Same deal with the saints - they just aren't really necessary. Usually when people want something, they ask for it themselves and if they appeal to a mediator, it's usually a person who has some type of actual authority, like asking an employee to appeal to a employer for you because they are in a position and have more authority to put in a good word for you at that moment. Mary or the saints are never shown to have that authority; people assumed they did given God's pick of em.

People were too much like children to stand before God. They were afraid they could not be heard. They wanted help. Of course, some people in authority like to keep it that way.

- Hmm about Jesus and the circle example; yes everyone will have their different take on Jesus, however, what Jesus spoke had only one true meaning. Only the author knows his works; thus when Jesus opened his mouth as God, revealing parables ( which are hidden messages to the kingdom of heaven,) there is only one essential meaning behind what he spoke. However, the truth to them was only given to select people; the disciples, because they had faith and truly believed. That is why when asked why he spoke in parables in Matthew, Jesus said that this spiritual insight was given to them; and even though others see or hear the word of God, they still may be spiritually blind and deaf to it.

Everyone these days has their own little spin, and with hundreds of Christian denominations, it's safe to say no one really knows the truth lol

I absolutely agree. Which is why I like to get to Jesus when He is doing His one-on-one quality time thing.
Ha ha but cookies are soooo delicious xD are you allergic to flour or something?

Half the white race is short a digestive enzyme. I know about it. So I have tons of energy, no diabetes, etc., at my age. My body still works like I'm in my forties. God knows what He's doing when He tells somebody something special for them.

 

[Rock022]

Mary is still in the grave. Worship versus pray, is just terminology. You shouldn't do either.
Its a spiritual act, with someone in the grave, that God does not like. The person takes Jesus'
authority and glory, and gives it to someone in the grave. No one can communicate with Mary
in the physical realm and Mary can not communicate with anyone else in the physical. Her body is
decayed. When someone prays the rosary or to Mary, saint or whatever, that person opens up
their heart and mind to any lying spiritual entity, willing to be whoever you want it to be. Satan is
the father of lies. He will claim to be Mary, and then give you doctrine. God forbids doing what RC's
do, but they have constantly submitted their hearts and minds to any lying spirit, for so long, and
gotten so much doctrine, they don't really know what is truth now. What the people in the RCC do
is the very same act of UFOlogist do when they try to channel a UFO Alien for messeges.
They aren't contacting an alien, but a lying spirit that will satisfy their desire of alien contact, in order
to feed them lies. Its the same practice.

Please stop giving false witness to something you do not believe. Simply because you do not believe it, does not make it false. Have more candor.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Please stop giving false witness to something you do not believe. Simply because you do not believe it, does not make it false. Have more candor.

What specifically is a false witness in what he has said, and how is it so?

 

[oOfallen_angelOo]

As a returning Catholic I will try to answer some nut most take it one at a time.

1.) Why is Mary revered as the Mother of God, and prayed too like a goddess or divine authority figure?

- If you were taught to pray to Her as a Goddess they are wrong and need to be reported to the proper channels, this is a heresy.
- If they where teaching you to ask her for Her prayers, there is nothing wrong with that.

2.) Why are the saints prayed to in a similar manner as Mary?

An answer to both questions.
Asking one to pray for you in no way violates Christ&#8217;s mediatorship, as can be seen from considering the way in which Christ is a mediator.

Oh okay, yeah they totally threw me with their Mary hailing - as far as a mediator, what different type of mediator is there to God? And isn't only one Mediator really necessary?

 

[oOfallen_angelOo]

Nice responses ^^

I did not know about the educational aspect of " father " and " children," it seems weird though why the title wouldn't have just been student and teacher; I mean, you don't need a degree to get the gist of that relationship, and even in the school like institutions outside of religion, I don't think people addressed their teachers as " father." What's interesting is that father is spoken in a reverance way toward the Pope; like he is a fatherly guide of the spirit, like God is the true Father guide of our spirits. God's people in the bible are also referred to as the " children" in various cases so maybe they adopted this from the bible originally?

Everything the Catholics believe has a Bible quote to back it. They give it their own spin, and ignore other verses to get it that way. It's mostly things that worked good at one time, and became the traditional way of doing things. Customs from other cultures seem weird a lot of times.

- As far as mediation, only priest picked by God were said to mediate; not just any person. The priest would also have to do a multitude of sacrifices and could only enter the holy temple at certain times to appeal to God for the people. God selected his priest, and Jesus came in the order of Malchezedek and was clearly the mediator. The verse I mentioned about the mediation of Christ surely backs this up as well. A mediator is not someone who shares the gospel, but someone who is directly connected to God and mediates from the physical world to the spiritual one. If anyone could do this, then this verse would have been wrong in saying only Jesus Christ is the mediator, and the bible of course cannot be wrong.

I was giving you that to show the slant they put on the term. You are correct. We are actually using a different definition. Jesus is the only person who can mediate in any true sense of the word. However, both the pope and each other can repeat God's word, and pray with us. That is not true mediation, since there is no direct power in it. The Greek word is mesites, literally meaning a carrier of messages (as I used it), but in Scriptural context it means a reconciler.

- As far as refusing request from his mother; God doesn't forsake anyone essentially, so Mary there is already kind of pointless since when one goes to Jesus Christ, they are automatically being mediated for by the savior himself. Same deal with the saints - they just aren't really necessary. Usually when people want something, they ask for it themselves and if they appeal to a mediator, it's usually a person who has some type of actual authority, like asking an employee to appeal to a employer for you because they are in a position and have more authority to put in a good word for you at that moment. Mary or the saints are never shown to have that authority; people assumed they did given God's pick of em.

People were too much like children to stand before God. They were afraid they could not be heard. They wanted help. Of course, some people in authority like to keep it that way.

- Hmm about Jesus and the circle example; yes everyone will have their different take on Jesus, however, what Jesus spoke had only one true meaning. Only the author knows his works; thus when Jesus opened his mouth as God, revealing parables ( which are hidden messages to the kingdom of heaven,) there is only one essential meaning behind what he spoke. However, the truth to them was only given to select people; the disciples, because they had faith and truly believed. That is why when asked why he spoke in parables in Matthew, Jesus said that this spiritual insight was given to them; and even though others see or hear the word of God, they still may be spiritually blind and deaf to it.

Everyone these days has their own little spin, and with hundreds of Christian denominations, it's safe to say no one really knows the truth lol

I absolutely agree. Which is why I like to get to Jesus when He is doing His one-on-one quality time thing.
Ha ha but cookies are soooo delicious xD are you allergic to flour or something?

Half the white race is short a digestive enzyme. I know about it. So I have tons of energy, no diabetes, etc., at my age. My body still works like I'm in my forties. God knows what He's doing when He tells somebody something special for them.

Wow really shortness of enzymes? Lol just white people? I've never heard that, but I guess every race biologically has these weird genetic triggers and stuff unique to it for some reason

 

[Trax]

Please stop giving false witness to something you do not believe. Simply because you do not believe it, does not make it false. Have more candor.

I am an ambassador of the King of kings and Lord of lords, Jesus. I state truth of His word and what is
being practiced. There is nothing or no one standing between me and Lord Jesus. It is with Him
that I cultivate a relationship. People in the RCC are teaching its followers to put spiritual forces
between themself and Jesus. If anyone has to use Mary, an angel or saint, they are telling the
Almighty Judge Jesus, "you aren't good enough to help me." They say, "you go tell Jesus, take this to Jesus, be a go between...." Satan loves driving a wedge between God and the individual. If he can't
get the person to accept a false religion, he'll throw false doctrine at him/her. It sounds godly, but
that is his specialty. He hooked Eve with ease. Now, I'm telling you truth, you aren't reaching Mary,
guardian angels, or patron saints, when you attempt to contact them spiritually. God forbids the
practice. God took Saul out for doing such an act, as an example to all of mankind, to NOT do this.
I have the Holy Spirit in me. The Spirit of Truth, the Helper. I have the Lord Himself, the creator of
all things with me and so does all saved people. If anyone has to go via spiritual channels, to reach
Jesus, then they don't have the Holy Spirit in them. And if they do have the Holy Spirit and STILL
want to practice a pagan ritual, then that is the false doctrine in their mind, dictating their actions.

 

[Rock022]

There is only one mediator and that is Jesus Christ. We ask the blessed virgin Mary to pray for us. We ask the saints to pray for us. To say intercede for "____" is to say pray for "____". but the powers of deception have darken the truth of it. People believe in their soul that catholics are to be torn apart and have made enemies the roman catholic church. We can not reason with this people simply because anything we say they will not believe. Why so much Hate? why try to divide? What gain do they get? but to destroy faith.

 

[jimmydiggs]

There is only one mediator and that is Jesus Christ.

Correct. So why acquire another?

We ask the blessed virgin Mary to pray for us. We ask the saints to pray for us. To say intercede for "____" is to say pray for "____". but the powers of deception have darken the truth of it.

How do you communicate with Mary?

People believe in their soul that catholics are to be torn apart and have made enemies the roman catholic church. We can not reason with this people simply because anything we say they will not believe. Why so much Hate? why try to divide? What gain do they get? but to destroy faith.

I'm not really quite sure what you're trying to say here.

 

[Geometar]

Ok.Many asked a questions,let me ask some.

1)Do we have to pray for our near?

2)Can we ask someone to pray for us?

3)What u do when u pray for someone and to who do u pray?

Please,ask them all,no excuses.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Geometar,

1)Do we have to pray for our near?

If I understood the question I could answer.

2)Can we ask someone to pray for us?

I suppose so.

3)What u do when u pray for someone and to who do u pray?[/quote]
God, to do otherwise is to commit idolatry.

 

[Rock022]

Geometar,


If I understood the question I could answer.


I suppose so.

3)What u do when u pray for someone and to who do u pray?

God, to do otherwise is to commit idolatry.[/QUOTE]

Right you are, and who do you think the blessed virgin Mary and the saints pray to?