The purpose of Christ

peacefulbeliever · May 22, 2015

[partial repost #19] Our "old nature" does not GO away until it dies. We have a "new nature" clothed in the "old nature". If it just goes away once we are born again . . .why does God tell us to put on the new and put off the old? (Eph. 4:22-24; Col. 3:9,10) Why would we have to mortify the deeds of the body? (Rom. 8:13) - Cast down imaginations (2 Cor. 10:5) - renew our minds to line up with the inward man (new creation) (Eph. 4:23; Col. 3:10) These are "works" of the NT that we do in order to "put on Christ".

And we put off the old, put on the new - mortifying the deeds of the body - casting down imaginations by renewing our minds ALL because it is Christ which strengthens us (Phil. 4:13).

Who shall deliver me from the body of death? Christ - and the completion will literally be when this dead body is raised incorruptible or this mortal puts on immortality.

just-me · May 22, 2015

peacefulbeliever said:

[partial repost #19] Our "old nature" does not GO away until it dies. We have a "new nature" clothed in the "old nature". If it just goes away once we are born again . . .why does God tell us to put on the new and put off the old? (Eph. 4:22-24; Col. 3:9,10) Why would we have to mortify the deeds of the body? (Rom. 8:13) - Cast down imaginations (2 Cor. 10:5) - renew our minds to line up with the inward man (new creation) (Eph. 4:23; Col. 3:10) These are "works" of the NT that we do in order to "put on Christ".

And we put off the old, put on the new - mortifying the deeds of the body - casting down imaginations by renewing our minds ALL because it is Christ which strengthens us (Phil. 4:13).

Who shall deliver me from the body of death? Christ - and the completion will literally be when this dead body is raised incorruptible or this mortal puts on immortality.

That is what I call the process of salvation. Good post!

peacefulbeliever · May 22, 2015

just-me said:

I call it MY WALK as a born again believer. Salvation was given the moment I confessed Jesus as Lord and believed God raised him from the dead. MY WALK is my fellowship with the Father and His Son.

Grandpa · May 22, 2015

just-me said:

No, sir. That isn't the process of salvation.

That is the process of walking in the spirit.

Only someone who is already saved has the knowledge needed to abide in Christ and walk in the Spirit.

Grandpa · May 22, 2015

peacefulbeliever said:

Ha. I was too fast on my post... I should have waited...

just-me · May 22, 2015

Grandpa said:

"For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren." Romans 8:29

"And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."" Romans 12:2

Conformed to comply with rules, standards, or laws.
Transformed is to make a thorough or dramatic change in the form, appearance, or character of. To undergo a transformation.
Renew means to re-establish (a relationship).

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"As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:" 1 Peter 2:2

Growing up is a process.

"Therefore, leaving behind the initial lessons about the Messiah, let us go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of turning from works that lead to death, trusting God, and instruction about washings, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead and eternal punishment. Hebrews 6:1-2

Maturing is a process. Semantics I suppose.

A process is a series of actions or steps taken in order to achieve a particular end.

"Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it." Hebrew 4:1

Grandpa · May 23, 2015

So to you, Salvation, Justification and Sanctification are all the same thing?

I respectfully disagree with your position.

I think we are saved and all the fruit of Justification and Sanctification come from that.

If Salvation is a series of steps then you have us working for our salvation by our own understanding, and you know how I feel about that...

Ephesians 2:9-10

[SUP]9 [/SUP]Not of works, lest any man should boast.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Elin · May 23, 2015

just-me said:

"Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old." Matthew 13:52

"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." 2 Corinthians 5:17

"Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin." Romans 6:6

"Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;" Colossians 3:9

"Do not err, my beloved brethren." James 1:16

Which has nothing to do with the word of God in Heb 8:13 that
the Mosaic Covenant is obsolete--old and waxing away (set aside).

Elin · May 23, 2015

just-me said:

Yes, we are justified by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.

Yes, faith establishes the law on its right basis--subject to the law of grace,
not as justification, which is only by grace through that faith, which establishes law on its right basis,
but only as the means of sanctification by the Holy Spirit through the obedience of faith.

Yes, that was the absurd question Judaizers put to Paul in an effort to trap him. . .

Elin · May 23, 2015

just-me said:

Actually, it is the process of sanctification.

But yes, salvation is past (from God's wrath, Ro 5:9, by forgiveness of sin, Lk 1:77, through faith),
present (sanctification) and future (resurrection).

Elin · May 23, 2015

just-me said:

Nope. . .more subtle diversion to your false gospel of works. . .

Salvation is from the wrath of God (Ro 5:9) through forgiveness of sin (Lk 1:77)
by grace through faith (Eph 2:8-9).

That salvation past by forgiveness of the penalty of sin is a completed transaction of grace through/at faith.

What remains is sanctification of that completed salvation from God's wrath (Ro 5:9);
i.e., growing in grace and transformation into the likeness of Christ,

and then our glorification at the resurrection.

We grow up in our salvation, not as our salvation.

And that not's "semantics," that's the difference between a completed salvation by God's grace,
and an incomplete salvation which must be completed by our merit.

Judaizer. . .to the bone.

Sirk · May 23, 2015

Elin said:

Theyve tricked themselves into thinking that they have a strong faith and even that a "strong" faith is what God requires of them. Their delusion of their strong faith becomes an idol....Above God himself.

Elin · May 23, 2015

Sirk said:

Elin said:

They've tricked themselves into thinking that they have a strong faith and even that a "strong" faith is what God requires of them. Their delusion of their strong faith becomes an idol....Above God himself.

So that's what's driving this false gospel. . .idolatry (of themselves).

Sirk · May 23, 2015

Elin said:

Yup...and so it is with idols...they are difficult to spot...especially ones that have a nice polished sheen to them.

Elin · May 23, 2015

Sirk said:

That surely would explain the pious, self-righteous self-precedence and superiority being exhibited. . .
and the blindness to it.

prove-all · May 23, 2015

1 John 3:8 (KJV)
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning.
For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Jesus Christ came to Earth to declare the Father (John 1:18)

Jesus Christ said He came specifically to “reveal” the Father(Matthew 11:27; Luke 10:22).

“I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him” (John 8:26).

For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me,
he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.John 12:49

"My Father is greater than I" (John 14:28).
the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me" (John 14:24).

Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world

Biblelogic01 · May 23, 2015

A lot of people don't realize that when Yeshua says He's the living word, a lot of people do not really puts into context that the only word at that time was the Torah and the prophets, so 1+1=2; if Yeshua is the living word, He is the living Torah.

Elin · May 23, 2015

Biblelogic01 said:

Where do we find him saying that in the NT?

posthuman · May 23, 2015

what does this mean?

For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also.
(Hebrews 7:12)

Elin · May 23, 2015

prove-all said:

Actually, Jesus said he "came" specifically "to give his life as a ransom for many."

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