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M
I'm just wondering - are you proposing there is a contradiction in the Bible? Because...I don't see you rebutting my simple observations about Jesus advisory to Peter, James and John...to look for the Abomination, etc.
So...are you saying there is a post-"Great Tribulation" rapture...AND a PreTrib rapture?
As far as your specific question: Whoever it is who "holds things back"...God does NOT 'leave the scene' because God is omnipresent. He is always everywhere. If He is supposedly in the business of 'holding back' evil worldwide...then why is there evil worldwide? The Lord is currently allowing the Devil and mankind to inflict their evils on the world.
What has been so far "stopped" and prevented specifically (if you look carefully and closely at your text)...is not just "evil" in general, but..."the lawless one"...the Antichrist who will inflict a holocaust on the Jewish people.
Who is protecting the people?
It is my understanding the answer is found in Daniel 12:1 - "Now at that time Michael, the great prince who stands guard over the sons of your people, will arise [literally "will leave" "will stand down"]. And there will be a time of distress such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time; and at that time your people, everyone who is found written in the book, will be rescued."
In looking at the above verse, even apart from in-depth knowledge of the Hebrew...the immediate context makes it abundantly clear, Michael's role of protection will cease at that time.
You asked. There's my answer, long story short.
So...are you saying there is a post-"Great Tribulation" rapture...AND a PreTrib rapture?
As far as your specific question: Whoever it is who "holds things back"...God does NOT 'leave the scene' because God is omnipresent. He is always everywhere. If He is supposedly in the business of 'holding back' evil worldwide...then why is there evil worldwide? The Lord is currently allowing the Devil and mankind to inflict their evils on the world.
What has been so far "stopped" and prevented specifically (if you look carefully and closely at your text)...is not just "evil" in general, but..."the lawless one"...the Antichrist who will inflict a holocaust on the Jewish people.
Who is protecting the people?
It is my understanding the answer is found in Daniel 12:1 - "Now at that time Michael, the great prince who stands guard over the sons of your people, will arise [literally "will leave" "will stand down"]. And there will be a time of distress such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time; and at that time your people, everyone who is found written in the book, will be rescued."
In looking at the above verse, even apart from in-depth knowledge of the Hebrew...the immediate context makes it abundantly clear, Michael's role of protection will cease at that time.
You asked. There's my answer, long story short.
M
OK, here's how this works:
Jesus told Peter, James and John to live with the expectation of possibly living to see the Abomination of Desolation followed by Great Tribulation.
Peter, James and John then passed along that teaching to their followers. When Peter, James and John then eventually died from martyrdom or old age or whatever...their followers now began to pass on this teaching from Jesus.
When they died after a lifetime of teaching the Olivet Discourse...then their students now began to pass on this teaching of...living with an expectation of seeing the Abomination of Desolation (etc.)
Where then is there any room for a PreTrib rapture? The believers, starting with Peter, James and John...were believing and teaching a post-"Great Tribulation rapture/"gathering".
I don't understand what it is you're not understanding. (?)
Well....of course.(?) Isn't that exactly what Jesus proposed to Peter, James and John? He said they should keep a look-out for these events.
BUT HE ALSO issued the caveat...that HE DID NOT KNOW the "day or hour" of these events...which is the equivalent of saying Peter, James and John might not live to see these events and that therefore it would be susbsequent generations of believers who would enounter the "AoD"...followed by the Great Trib...followed by a post-"Great Trib" rapture.
Jesus told Peter, James and John to live with the expectation of possibly living to see the Abomination of Desolation followed by Great Tribulation.
Peter, James and John then passed along that teaching to their followers. When Peter, James and John then eventually died from martyrdom or old age or whatever...their followers now began to pass on this teaching from Jesus.
When they died after a lifetime of teaching the Olivet Discourse...then their students now began to pass on this teaching of...living with an expectation of seeing the Abomination of Desolation (etc.)
Where then is there any room for a PreTrib rapture? The believers, starting with Peter, James and John...were believing and teaching a post-"Great Tribulation rapture/"gathering".
I don't understand what it is you're not understanding. (?)
Well....of course.(?) Isn't that exactly what Jesus proposed to Peter, James and John? He said they should keep a look-out for these events.
BUT HE ALSO issued the caveat...that HE DID NOT KNOW the "day or hour" of these events...which is the equivalent of saying Peter, James and John might not live to see these events and that therefore it would be susbsequent generations of believers who would enounter the "AoD"...followed by the Great Trib...followed by a post-"Great Trib" rapture.
M
Sure I do! I believe, in fact, the Olivet Disocurse is virtually like the Rosetta Stone to the Book of Revelation. It is the interpretation key to Revelation. Once you understand and accept the Olivet Discourse at simple face value...the Book of Revelation opens up like a can of peaches, in my experience.
It isn't your personal experience or somehow your intellect or ability that has any part in understanding GOS WOHust as 1 Corinthians 1 through 2 explains
and just as it is written in HIS upper room discourse that a time will come when HE will no longer speak to us in peoverbs
and just as HE stated the secrets of the kingdom are not given to all
ans one can't even see the Kingdom of GOD unless he is born again
and just as it is written in HIS upper room discourse that a time will come when HE will no longer speak to us in peoverbs
and just as HE stated the secrets of the kingdom are not given to all
ans one can't even see the Kingdom of GOD unless he is born again