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Yes? And?
None of that changes the fact that the disciples went out from the Olivet Discourse having been told by Jesus they should look for...NOT some mythical pre-70th Week "rapture" event...but rather, the Abomination of Desolation. That's the end of the line for PreTrib doctrine...regardless of where and when and how the temple is or isn't rebuilt.
If Peter, James and John lived with an expectation of the Abomination of Desolation, followed by Great Tribulation, followed by the Gathering...so should obviously ALL believers.
None of that changes the fact that the disciples went out from the Olivet Discourse having been told by Jesus they should look for...NOT some mythical pre-70th Week "rapture" event...but rather, the Abomination of Desolation. That's the end of the line for PreTrib doctrine...regardless of where and when and how the temple is or isn't rebuilt.
If Peter, James and John lived with an expectation of the Abomination of Desolation, followed by Great Tribulation, followed by the Gathering...so should obviously ALL believers.
Do you know what GOD was saying in Haggai 2
this is very very important
and yet the Jewish "priests" preparing themselves for the rebuilding of the earthly temple will completely ignore GOD's WORD
Even In the time of Ezra, no man could just have a part in building the temple. The man had to have the right credentials. He had to belong to a priestly line and if he did not supply the proof, Ezra would not allow that man a part in laying a hand to building the temple or having any part in the priestly duties
and yet, according to Haggai 2, GOD already declared ALL unclean before Him M
even with their not believing in CHRIST JESUS as THE MESSIAH, they will still ignore and overlook GOD's WORD which already states there are none clean
this is very very important
and yet the Jewish "priests" preparing themselves for the rebuilding of the earthly temple will completely ignore GOD's WORD
Even In the time of Ezra, no man could just have a part in building the temple. The man had to have the right credentials. He had to belong to a priestly line and if he did not supply the proof, Ezra would not allow that man a part in laying a hand to building the temple or having any part in the priestly duties
and yet, according to Haggai 2, GOD already declared ALL unclean before Him M
even with their not believing in CHRIST JESUS as THE MESSIAH, they will still ignore and overlook GOD's WORD which already states there are none clean
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' Jesus told Peter, James and John to live with the expectation of possibly living to see the Abomination of Desolation followed by Great Tribulation.'
maybe that's where we are reading it differently. Jesus speaks to the disciples as representatives of later followers. imo, Judas was there, too... but again imo, I don't think Jesus expected Judas to see the AoD.
maybe that's where we are reading it differently. Jesus speaks to the disciples as representatives of later followers. imo, Judas was there, too... but again imo, I don't think Jesus expected Judas to see the AoD.
And why are there none clean?
because there is only ONE who washes and makes clean and it is only through HIM who alone as THE SON over HIS FATHER's HOUSE is building THE HOUSE for GOD
And it is only through HIM who is both holy and clean and acceptable offering and HIGH PRIEST over the offering that we enter in and have a part in this royal priesthood
pointing all to THE ONE through whom we are restored and reconciled back to THE FATHER
because there is only ONE who washes and makes clean and it is only through HIM who alone as THE SON over HIS FATHER's HOUSE is building THE HOUSE for GOD
And it is only through HIM who is both holy and clean and acceptable offering and HIGH PRIEST over the offering that we enter in and have a part in this royal priesthood
pointing all to THE ONE through whom we are restored and reconciled back to THE FATHER
hmmm... ok, if you mean this verse, then I can see what you're saying.
HAGGAI 2:14 Then Haggai answered and said, So is it with this people, and with this nation before me, declares the LORD, and so with every work of their hands.
And what they offer there is unclean.
interesting, then, how some passages not usually considered in 'prophecy schedules' can have a big impact in interpretation.
HAGGAI 2:14 Then Haggai answered and said, So is it with this people, and with this nation before me, declares the LORD, and so with every work of their hands.
And what they offer there is unclean.
interesting, then, how some passages not usually considered in 'prophecy schedules' can have a big impact in interpretation.
These verses?
HAGGAI 2:11 Thus says the LORD of hosts: Ask the priests about the law:
HAGGAI 2:12 If someone carries holy meat in the fold of his garment and touches with his fold bread or stew or wine or oil or any kind of food, does it become holy? The priests answered and said, No.
HAGGAI 2:13 Then Haggai said, If someone who is unclean by contact with a dead body touches any of these, does it become unclean? The priests answered and said, It does become unclean.
HAGGAI 2:11 Thus says the LORD of hosts: Ask the priests about the law:
HAGGAI 2:12 If someone carries holy meat in the fold of his garment and touches with his fold bread or stew or wine or oil or any kind of food, does it become holy? The priests answered and said, No.
HAGGAI 2:13 Then Haggai said, If someone who is unclean by contact with a dead body touches any of these, does it become unclean? The priests answered and said, It does become unclean.
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Read what 'differently? I'm reading the Olivet Disocurse. What scripture are you reading that indicates Jesus wasn't speaking to Peter, James and John? Quite clearly there is zero scripture for such a claim. (?) That's something you just made up. Why would you do that?
Do you believe Peter walked out of the Olivet Discourse, saying: "Jesus just looked me in the eye and said to be prepared for the Abomination of Desolation...but He wasn't really talking to me. He was talking to others that I represent...even though He addressed me as though His words applied to me."
That didn't happen. How would he have derived that conclusion?
And if you were to claim Peter was under a 'mistaken' impression that the Olivet Discourse applied to him...then you're back to the problem of Jesus giving Peter, James and John information that was not correct for them. He was handing them erroneous information...false information...false doctrine.
And again, the problem would be horrendously compounded by the simple fact that Peter, James and John would have then "mistakenly" passed along this erroneous information.
So their students would then have ALSO have been under an INCORRECT impression...would ALSO have received false teaching..,.and would then THEMSELVES go on to teach false doctrine.
I would say you're not thinking this through very well.
Well, no. Pretty clear, only Peter, James, John and Andrew were present. Mark 13.
Do you believe Peter walked out of the Olivet Discourse, saying: "Jesus just looked me in the eye and said to be prepared for the Abomination of Desolation...but He wasn't really talking to me. He was talking to others that I represent...even though He addressed me as though His words applied to me."
That didn't happen. How would he have derived that conclusion?
And if you were to claim Peter was under a 'mistaken' impression that the Olivet Discourse applied to him...then you're back to the problem of Jesus giving Peter, James and John information that was not correct for them. He was handing them erroneous information...false information...false doctrine.
And again, the problem would be horrendously compounded by the simple fact that Peter, James and John would have then "mistakenly" passed along this erroneous information.
So their students would then have ALSO have been under an INCORRECT impression...would ALSO have received false teaching..,.and would then THEMSELVES go on to teach false doctrine.
I would say you're not thinking this through very well.
Well, no. Pretty clear, only Peter, James, John and Andrew were present. Mark 13.