The Rapture of the Church is after the Tribulation

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Alright, how about this. I'll prove A incorrect by proving B correct instead, making A de facto incorrect. Alright? This might be painful, but the truth almost always hurts at first.

The beginning of sorrows in Matthew 24, that is speaking about the beginning of the end times. Earthquakes in diverse places. Already happening...has been happening since the advent of nuclear weapons, and consequently gives us the codex for the first 5 seals.

Don't know when you think the rapture is supposed to happen, but the game is already on and has been on for some time. Somehow, Christendom has been...asleep!?!? Mortifying.

By all means, tell me my reading of Matthew 24 is wrong. That Christ is not saying what I can clearly read Him saying. By all means...
I am thinking you advocate a postrib rapture.
 

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Are you serious? Daniel was castrated and taken to Babylon. Good enough for you?
Are you thinking our tribulations are the same as The 7 yr GT?
If so,i would advise you to read rev.

It is nite and day different.
 

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I am thinking you advocate a postrib rapture.
There is no rapture. There are always people God pulls off Earth because they can't deal. But, the next time a body flies up into the sky will be when Christ returns to devastate the armies of the antichrist.

But, that is far off, no need to worry about that in this exact, current moment. Focus on what I am saying, "THE BEGINNING OF SORROWS ALREADY BEGAN AND CHRISTENDOM MISSED IT BY 70+ YEARS"
 

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Are you thinking our tribulations are the same as The 7 yr GT?
If so,i would advise you to read rev.

It is nite and day different.
What are you even talking about? You asked for an example of persecution and judgement on Israel where the innocent suffered. I gave you, hands down, the best example short of Christ, Himself.
 

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In mat 24 "...as it was with Noah BEFORE THE FLOOD...."


BTW, You need a post judgement example. One where they were taken out AFTER judgement
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Show me one
 

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What are you even talking about? You asked for an example of persecution and judgement on Israel where the innocent suffered. I gave you, hands down, the best example short of Christ, Himself.
No i did not
 

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You are surrounded by so many wolves, I may mistake you for a wolf. You aware of testing the fruits? About being wise? Well, I am certainly not seeing it...

And, oh yea, Obama was a terrible president, but then, it's been that way for quite some time.
Are you serious? Daniel was castrated and taken to Babylon. Good enough for you?
Where do you get that Daniel was castrated?
 

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There is no rapture. There are always people God pulls off Earth because they can't deal. But, the next time a body flies up into the sky will be when Christ returns to devastate the armies of the antichrist.

But, that is far off, no need to worry about that in this exact, current moment. Focus on what I am saying, "THE BEGINNING OF SORROWS ALREADY BEGAN AND CHRISTENDOM MISSED IT BY 70+ YEARS"
Ok 1 thes 4.
Rev 14
Jesus
The 2 witnesses.
Mat 25
Mat 24

You saying none of that is relevant?
 
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Alright, how about this. I'll prove A incorrect by proving B correct instead, making A de facto incorrect. Alright? This might be painful, but the truth almost always hurts at first.

The beginning of sorrows in Matthew 24, that is speaking about the beginning of the end times. Earthquakes in diverse places. Already happening...has been happening since the advent of nuclear weapons, and consequently gives us the codex for the first 5 seals.

Don't know when you think the rapture is supposed to happen, but the game is already on and has been on for some time. Somehow, Christendom has been...asleep!?!? Mortifying.

By all means, tell me my reading of Matthew 24 is wrong. That Christ is not saying what I can clearly read Him saying. By all means...
Matt 24 says the great tribulation will occure AFTER the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel.

The “birth pangs” are the beginning of sorrows. Not the beginning of tribulation

The tribulation has yet to begin, Thus using this as proving pretrib wrong? I do not get it.
 

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To my eye, that is what you asked for. God is...morbidly hilarious in the sense that...He really does not care if we die...at all. For those with faith, that makes sense...

"And they cried out in a loud voice,“How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge those who live on the earth and avenge our blood?” Then each of them was given a white robe and told to rest a little while longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers, were killed, just as they had been killed." Revelation 6:10-11

Yea, God, not too concerned with physical death of immortal beings. Kind of hilarious, really.
 

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Alright, how about this. I'll prove A incorrect by proving B correct instead, making A de facto incorrect. Alright? This might be painful, but the truth almost always hurts at first.

The beginning of sorrows in Matthew 24, that is speaking about the beginning of the end times. Earthquakes in diverse places. Already happening...has been happening since the advent of nuclear weapons, and consequently gives us the codex for the first 5 seals.

Don't know when you think the rapture is supposed to happen, but the game is already on and has been on for some time. Somehow, Christendom has been...asleep!?!? Mortifying.

By all means, tell me my reading of Matthew 24 is wrong. That Christ is not saying what I can clearly read Him saying. By all means...
Preterist?
Amil?

If so we can not get on the same page

Almost impossible.as they assume a bogus starting point

Cant make that grand canyon leap
 

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To my eye, that is what you asked for. God is...morbidly hilarious in the sense that...He really does not care if we die...at all. For those with faith, that makes sense...

"And they cried out in a loud voice,“How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge those who live on the earth and avenge our blood?” Then each of them was given a white robe and told to rest a little while longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers, were killed, just as they had been killed." Revelation 6:10-11

Yea, God, not too concerned with physical death of immortal beings. Kind of hilarious, really.
I was assuming you were postrib rapture.
Now it appears you are no rapture
 

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Preterist?
Amil?

If so we can not get on the same page

Almost impossible.as they assume a bogus starting point

Cant make that grand canyon leap
I'm saying throw it all out, start again, with the beginning of sorrows. Tell me what it says, not what you've been told that it means.
 

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I was assuming you were postrib rapture.
Now it appears you are no rapture
Hilarious. Got a good laugh out of that.

I am telling you that people are bickering about the wrong thing while the thing they are bickering about is already in motion.
 
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That God is totally fine with even the best of us suffering. Get with the program.
That does not prove pre-trib us wrong.

Your arguing pretrib us wrong, And using this as an argument

So again, What does that prove?

As I already showed. After the trib starts. Saints will suffer great persecution. Everyone knows this, so i am confused about your argument.
 

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That does not prove pre-trib us wrong.

Your arguing pretrib us wrong, And using this as an argument

So again, What does that prove?

As I already showed. After the trib starts. Saints will suffer great persecution. Everyone knows this, so i am confused about your argument.
Pause. Do you know what the beginning of sorrows is in Matthew 24?