The Rapture Thief Robs Jesuit Futurism Of The 7 Years Of Tribulation

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It puts forth continuous activity taking place down here, from the time in which we live, to the so called "seven years of tribulation", to the so called "1,000 year reign over the wicked", to the "battle of Armageddon which destroys the wicked" to the "Earth made new", etc.
yes sort of....but not quite
 
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Yes, that happens at the glorious, spectacular, thunderous Second Coming when Paul says the "dead in Christ shall rise first, the we who are alive and remain are caught up" at the exact moment when the wicked are "destroyed with the brightness of His coming."
Nope
only destroyed wicked from the earth is via Jesus WITH THE SAINTS at the 2nd coming ON WHITE HORSES.

only at the white horses event.

no gathering at the white horses event.
you made that up
 
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Nope, the Bible says that at the post-trib rapture, we go away with Jesus for a 1,000 years to New Jerusalem while the wicked lie destroyed by the brightness of His coming, awaiting future punishment.

The problem with pre-trib Jesuit Futurism is that it ignores all the verses in Isaiah, Jeremiah, 2 Peter, the Psalms, etc., which depict a destroyed, empty, silent, dark, inhabitable Earth.

It puts forth continuous activity taking place down here, from the time in which we live, to the so called "seven years of tribulation", to the so called "1,000 year reign over the wicked", to the "battle of Armageddon which destroys the wicked" to the "Earth made new", etc.
rev 19 Jesus returns TO EARTH BEFORE THE 1K REIGN.

There is no second rapture to heaven for a 1k yr anything
 
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you can not cover up that the saints are all killed by ac during the gt because they refuse the mark.
You don't have a single verse that explicitly says all those who refuse the Mark are killed for it. All you have is:

1) a death decree pronounced against the saints, with no mention of a body count
2) 144,000 who got the victory over the beast which 1 John 4:4 KJV plainly says is not predicated on one's death
3) 144,000 who loved not their lives unto death, which is the sentiment of millions of Christians throughout history who were not martyred, but died of natural causes.

Therefore, your argument for pre-trib which says:
  • all who refuse the Mark are killed
  • which "proves" no Christian is going through the tribulation because we are not appointed to wrath
  • which proves that there must be an initial Rapture followed by a 7 year tribulation
...is nothing more than a subjective house of eschatological cards. The Word says Jesus prayed the Father would NOT take us out of the world, but protect us while in it...has demonstrated repeatedly His ability to do so and His intention to do so again...and totally lacks even one precedent-setting example where God "raptured" anyone to deliver them from tribulation.
 
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Re read it

there are no dead in christ raised in rev 14.

not only that but the 144k IN REV 14 PRECEDE the living ones gathered as ripe fruit.

so ,nope ,rev 14 can not be the main gathering of saints in 1 thes 4.

2 COMPLETELY different events.

BTW....you have completely painted yourself into a corner.

you claim the 1 thes 4 event is also rev 19 where the saints return with Jesus on white horses.

where are the white horses in rev 14??????
It's called comparing Scripture with Scripture. The "rapture" of 1 Thess. 4 is clear that the dead and living saints are caught up at the same time that Christ's glorious, cacophonous, experiential Second Coming occurs and destroys the wicked with the "brightness of His coming", not seven years earlier. Please leave Daniel's 70th Week back in history where it belongs, fulfilled by Christ, not Antichrist.
 
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Revelation 14 begins with a picture of all the redeemed in heaven, followed by a flashback to the period of time just before the coming of Christ when the 3 Angel's Messages are being preached around the world (which is going on now by the ONLY global church of God in existence) and the soon to come Mark accompanied by the boycott and final death decree.

Please don't be one of Freemason Albert Pike's "multitudes disillusioned with Christianity" which will take their place under the banner of Lucifer because the rapture they so desperately counted on to deliver them from tribulation left them vulnerable to Satan's counterfeit Second Coming, in which he convinces the religious world to follow his own commandments which are contrary to the Ten Commandments (Psalm 94:20-23 KJV).
 

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Nope
only destroyed wicked from the earth is via Jesus WITH THE SAINTS at the 2nd coming ON WHITE HORSES.

only at the white horses event.

no gathering at the white horses event.
you made that up
The white horse event, is exactly the same event seen in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 in the (Second Coming) just more info.
 

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We can't willingly blind ourselves to Biblical truth, then argue that truth doesn't exist. 2 Peter 3:10 KJV is clear that when Jesus comes as a "thief in the night", this entire corner of our solar system is going to look like the aftermath of an alien ANTIFA invasion. There won't be seven more minutes of anything, let alone seven more years:
  • not one square inch of habitable land
  • no atmosphere
  • no air to breathe
  • no ozone layer to filter out cosmic solar rays
  • not one bit of light to pierce the thick black darkness
OK, done mulling it over. Now, let's see on which side the weight of evidence tips the scales:
  1. There's not going to be seven more anything after Jesus comes as a thief.
  2. God is well able to protect His people in the midst of tribulation just as sure as removing them from it.
  3. Jesus prayed that God would not take His faithful out of this world, but protect them while in it.
  4. Jesuit Preterism and Jesuit Futurism are Papal diversionary tactics invented by Jesuits for the purpose of seducing Protestants into abandoning their Biblical claim the Papacy is the predicted Antichrist, and to instead look for the Antichrist in the past (Jesuit Preterism), the future (Jesuit "Left Behind" Futurism), ANYWHERE but in the direction it's been all along: ROME.
Well played, Antichrist, well played.
I agree 100%< Preterism and Futurism are inventions of the papacy, and followed by men making them popular.
 
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Not a single verse to show that.
rev 19
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron:
and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
(clearly from heaven....to earth)

20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

(that is from heaven to earth.)


.......and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled .
See that? "nations" ? that is earth.


vivid depiction of just the opposite of your claim.
 

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It's called comparing Scripture with Scripture. The "rapture" of 1 Thess. 4 is clear that the dead and living saints are caught up at the same time that Christ's glorious, cacophonous, experiential Second Coming occurs and destroys the wicked with the "brightness of His coming", not seven years earlier. Please leave Daniel's 70th Week back in history where it belongs, fulfilled by Christ, not Antichrist.
Exactly, 1 Thess 4:16-17 has the resurrection of the dead in Christ, John 6:39-40, and John 11:23-24 clearly teaches the believers resurrection takes place on (The Last Day)

These Dispensationalism then try to claim the Last Day isn't the Last Day, Real Big Smiles!
 
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The white horse event, is exactly the same event seen in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 in the (Second Coming) just more info.
nope
white horses are going to earth WITH THE SAINTS.

so,"before the flood" (pretrib) the whit horses come down from heaven????

Before sodom is destroyed ...the white horses come down from heaven?????
You guys over and over omit verses and just make up bizarre cofigurations.
What a mish mash of poorly applied events.

thanks guys for showcasing the impossibility of the second coming and rapture being the same event.
 
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The white horse event, is exactly the same event seen in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 in the (Second Coming) just more info.
this is classic

i never realized to what extent the impossibility of postrib reframed verses defeated their own deal.

you guys kinda made my day.
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It was right there all along...the white horses.

you guys really blew it.

too funny
 

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rev 19
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
(clearly from heaven....to earth)

20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

(that is from heaven to earth.)


.......and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled .
See that? "nations" ? that is earth.


vivid depiction of just the opposite of your claim.
Revelation 16, 19, & 20 below are showing the exact same (Final Battle) in parallel teachings, the book of Revelations isn't taught in chronological order as dispensationalism (Falsely Teaches)

Your presentation of Revelation 19 with Jesus Christ returning on the white horse to battle, is nothing more than the (Second Coming) end of this world in final judgement in the lake of fire, same lake of fire and final judgement seen in Revelation 20:11-15 below in a (Parallel Teaching)

Revelation 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

Revelation 19:11-21-KJV
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Revelation 20:7-15KJV
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
 

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this is classic

i never realized to what extent the impossibility of postrib reframed verses defeated their own deal.

you guys kinda made my day.
LOL
It's you who will change God's truth, and reframe meanings to fit false teachings.

(The Last Day, Is The Last Day) No More Days To Follow, (Last)

Below in 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 we see the dead believer in Christ, we clearly see the dead in Christ rising first?

The Bible clearly teaches that this resurrection of the believer takes place on (The Last Day)

Your claims that 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 below is a (Pre-Trib) Rapture is a big Pinocchio's nose is growing again fairy tale.

Will your pride keep you from the very clear presented truth?

1 Thessalonians 4:14-17KJV
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 11:23-24KJV
23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
 

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Exactly, 1 Thess 4:16-17 has the resurrection of the dead in Christ, John 6:39-40, and John 11:23-24 clearly teaches the believers resurrection takes place on (The Last Day)

These Dispensationalism then try to claim the Last Day isn't the Last Day, Real Big Smiles!
Sure it is ('The Last Day')... the thing is, it just is not merely "a singular 24-hr day" ;)


...but a time period of long duration, with MUCH transpiring within it.


["IN the last day"... but do not neglect to recall 1Cor15:23 "[re: resurrection] but each IN THE OWN ORDER" (which means there doesn't remain only ONE at a singular point in time... "Blessed and holy is the one having A PART in the first resurrection!" Rev20:6a; James 1:18 "having counselled, He did beget us with a word of truth, for our being a certain first-fruit of His creatures [/creation]." )]




[Hosea 5:14 - 6:3 (re: Israel [i.e. Israel's future], per context) "after TWO days" and "IN the THIRD day" ... Peter says we are to "be not ignorant OF THIS ONE THING" ;) ]


Revelation 5:9 (present IN HEAVEN before the FIRST SEAL is opened when Jesus will "STAND to JUDGE"):
"And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of [ek] every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation"
[see also the two distinct verb-words in 1Cor6:14]



[biblical precedent: Enoch (ONE MAN) taken out of this world BEFORE the flood JUDGMENT fell/unfolded upon the earth]
 

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Sure it is ('The Last Day')... the thing is, it just is not merely "a singular 24-hr day" ;)


...but a time period of long duration, with MUCH transpiring within it.


["IN the last day"... but do not neglect to recall 1Cor15:23 "[re: resurrection] but each IN THE OWN ORDER" (which means there doesn't remain only ONE at a singular point in time... "Blessed and holy is the one having A PART in the first resurrection!" Rev20:6a; James 1:18 "having counselled, He did beget us with a word of truth, for our being a certain first-fruit of His creatures [/creation]." )]




[Hosea 5:14 - 6:3 (re: Israel [i.e. Israel's future], per context) "after TWO days" and "IN the THIRD day" ... Peter says we are to "be not ignorant OF THIS ONE THING" ;) ]


Revelation 5:9 (present IN HEAVEN before the FIRST SEAL is opened when Jesus will "STAND to JUDGE"):
"And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of [ek] every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation"
[see also the two distinct verb-words in 1Cor6:14]



[biblical precedent: Enoch (ONE MAN) taken out of this world BEFORE the flood JUDGMENT fell/unfolded upon the earth]
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It's you who will change God's truth, and reframe meanings to fit false teachings.

(The Last Day, Is The Last Day) No More Days To Follow, (Last)
Comparing the following two passages (if you will do this... but that remains to be seen, if you actually will) is what proves that "the last day" does NOT consist merely of "a singular 24-hr day" but is instead made up of "many" of those:

Compare the texts:


the following two passages correlate, time-wise (in the following way)...

--Revelation 19:19,21 / 16:14-16 / 20:5 (at the time of His Second Coming to the earth), correlates with

--the FIRST of TWO "PUNISH" words in Isaiah 24:21-22a[23] ("shall PUNISH...gathered in the pit... shut up in the prison");





Then (these correlate, time-wise, also),

--the SECOND of the TWO "PUNISH" words in Isaiah 24:[21-]22b[23] ("and AFTER MANY DAYS shall they be PUNISHED"), correlates with

--Revelation 20:11-15 (the later GWTj point-in-time, for all of the "dead [/unsaved]" of all times, as well as these particular ones being spoken of, "the rest of the dead lived not again until the 1000 yrs were concluded"--[i.e. the GWTj=the final carrying out of the sentence])
 

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Isaiah 24 -

21 In that day the LORD will punish

the host of heaven above

and the kings of the earth below. [<--COMPARE with Revelation 19:19,21 / 16:14-16 / 20:5 (at His 2nd Coming to the earth)]

22 They will be gathered together

like prisoners in a pit.

They will be confined to a dungeon

and punished after many days. [<--this SECOND "PUNISH" word takes place "after many days" FOLLOWING His 2nd Coming to the earth, i.e. Rev20:11-15 the later GWTj]



["many" 24-hr days MAKE UP "The Last Day"]
 

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Comparing the following two passages (if you will do this... but that remains to be seen, if you actually will) is what proves that "the last day" does NOT consist merely of "a singular 24-hr day" but is instead made up of "many" of those:

Compare the texts:


the following two passages correlate, time-wise (in the following way)...

--Revelation 19:19,21 / 16:14-16 / 20:5 (at the time of His Second Coming to the earth), correlates with

--the FIRST of TWO "PUNISH" words in Isaiah 24:21-22a[23] ("shall PUNISH...gathered in the pit... shut up in the prison");





Then (these correlate, time-wise, also),

--the SECOND of the TWO "PUNISH" words in Isaiah 24:[21-]22b[23] ("and AFTER MANY DAYS shall they be PUNISHED"), correlates with

--Revelation 20:11-15 (the later GWTj point-in-time, for all of the "dead [/unsaved]" of all times, as well as these particular ones being spoken of, "the rest of the dead lived not again until the 1000 yrs were concluded"--[i.e. the GWTj=the final carrying out of the sentence])
The Last Day, Final Judgement!

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

The Last Day Resurrection!

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 11:23-24KJV
23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

1 Thessalonians 4:14-17KJV
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.