The Rapture

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ARE YOU READY?






I BELIEVE IN KEEPING READY!

Mid-Trib and Post-Trib seem to believe they have time to get ready later.


Speed of the Rapture:


Matthew 24:27 (HCSB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.

1 Corinthians 15:51-53 (NASB)
[SUP]51 [/SUP] Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed,
[SUP]52 [/SUP] in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet {Wedding Shofar Trumpet}; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
[SUP]53 [/SUP] For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality.


[video=youtube;dYgSp5S9-k0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYgSp5S9-k0[/video]


Speed of the Second Coming:

Revelation 19:17-19 (HCSB)
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Then I saw an angel standing on the sun, and he cried out in a loud voice, saying to all the birds flying high overhead, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God,
[SUP]18 [/SUP] so that you may eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of commanders, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and of their riders, and the flesh of everyone, both free and slave, small and great.”

[SUP]19 [/SUP] Then I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies gathered together to wage war against the rider on the horse and against His army.

Nice pictures!

How many resurrections do you think that there are? 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7?
 

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Nice pictures!

How many resurrections do you think that there are? 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7?

GOD DOES NOT COUNT LIKE YOU DO.
God only counts two, because HE counts the different phases of the First Resurrection, as ONE RESURRECTION.

Those phases of the First Resurrection are, The Righteous Dead First, maybe even in order of their deaths, (John 5:28-29).

1 Corinthians 15:21-23 (YLT)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] for since through man is the death, also through man is a rising again of the dead,
[SUP]22 [/SUP] for even as in Adam all die, so also in the Christ all shall be made alive,
[SUP]23 [/SUP] and each in his proper order, a first-fruit Christ, afterwards those who are the Christ's, in his presence,

Then those who are alive when He sends the Archangel to shout and Call Out True Born Again Believers have their their Bodies Changed in the twinkling of an eye as we head up to meet Him in the Air to go to the Wedding, (1 Thess. 4:16-17, 1 Cor. 15:52-53), and then the Martyred Saints of the Great Tribulation, (Rev. 20:4-5). Those are all part of the FIRST RESURRECTION. Then a thousand years later comes the Second Resurrection, the unbelievers of all time are raised to face their Judgement Day, to be cast into the eternal Lake of Fire.

The Resurrection of the SAVED unto eternal life, and the Resurrection of the UNSAVED unto eternal judgement and punishment. I only count TWO.
 
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Many, many, assumptions on your part.

The AoD is the reason that Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 ad

It was revealed at the dest. that Caesar was the Antichrist and Rome was the 4th beast/iron legs.

The end of the age was the end of the temple age.

Jesus returned with clouds of armies and destroyed Jerusalem.

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The Antichrist was revealed as Caesar, in 70 ad. (Vatican)

But you are in denial that Rome is the beast.

Every time that you say that the Antichrist is not revealed,

You deny that Caesar/the Bishop of Rome is the Antichrist, you're helping to hide him.

He's been here all this time.
Nope

The AC will require a mark to be accepted. Those refusing loose their heads.

Your example can not be the AC
 

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To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord,and the 5th seal describes saint's souls under the altar in heaven,that say,how long Lord will it be until you avenge us,and He said,when all the saints are gathered unto Me,then He will avenge the saints.

There is only two resurrections,one of the saints at the end of the great tribulation,before the millenial reign of Christ,and one after the millennial reign of Christ of the dead.

Blessed is he that gets caught up in the first resurrection,for the second resurrection has no hold on them.

If the saints are already with Jesus in heaven right now,then how is the dead raised first,and then those that remain be caught up with them.

1.Saying the dead raised first might mean that all who die in Christ from the whole history of the Church are with Jesus,then when the resurrection happens,the alive ones get caught up.

2.They receive their glorified body first,then those alive get caught up,and receive their glorified body.

For there is no way the dead can rise first,as if their soul is in the grave,when the resurrection happens that catches all the saints alive to be with Jesus,for those that are absent from the body,their souls are already with Jesus.

There is nothing to actually rise up concerning the dead,before those alive are raised up at the resurrection,for they are already in heaven.

I tend to believe it means that all who die in Christ are with the Lord all the way to those alive that get caught up,for they rose before the saints alive were caught up which is the tail end of the saints being caught up,for to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord,and all who die in Christ from the start of the Church to those who are alive and get caught up,are with Jesus anticipating when Jesus will get those rascally people for their wickedness.

Not that all the dead rise at the time of the resurrection,and then those alive,for they are already in heaven,unless it means they get their glorified body,then those alive get caught up and get their glorified body.
 
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[h=1]Matthew 24:37-39King James Version (KJV)[/h]37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
 
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Look at it this way,when Lazarus died his spirit went someplace. Then Jesus raised him from the dead. Now,he did not receive a glorified body.

Now look at the thief on the cross. He died and went someplace. He has never resurrected. He will one day.

The fact that those already dead in Christ are with Jesus does not conflict with those same people rising from the dead.
 

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If there can be multiple phases of the resurrection then we can pretty much assign multiple phases to anything and everything.

Jhn 5:24: “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

1 Jhn 3:14: We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love his brother abides in death.


Hmmm. What kind of resurrection is John talking about in the above passages?
 

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Mat 24:3-34 verses all discuss the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. Yes, Christ returned, His presence was there to execute judgment and to rescue the righteous. There was no resurrection then. Between verse 34 and 35 is the transition from 70 AD events to the real end of time. Look closely.

[SUP]34 [/SUP]Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.

This verse tells us that everything prior to this happened to the generation of 30-70 AD. Now Christ says this:

[SUP]35 [/SUP]Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away. [SUP]36 [/SUP]“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.

Now He is discussing His future (to us) return. No one knows the day and hour that heaven and earth will pass away and His future return. The proof comes from Luke 17. Luke 17 is separate from Luke 21 and was not part of the Olivet. This discussion came BEFORE the Olivet. I believe we are living "in the days of Noah."

 

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Nope

The AC will require a mark to be accepted. Those refusing loose their heads.

Your example can not be the AC
And you might add it is closer than most people think.

Is it possible to have a Mark that controls all buying and selling?

The answer to that riddle is really very simple in this modern era of computerized scanners.

TECHNOLOGY NEEDED TO FULFILL THE MARK OF THE BEAST

No 666 is not a symbol, it is only a number that identifies a man, IT SAYS SO, read it again.

Revelation 13:16-18 (NKJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads,
[SUP]17 [/SUP] and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.

In other words it is similar to our Social Security numbers. Only this one will be three groups of 6 digits. Henry Kissenger invented such a EMERGENCY plan in the late 90s, in case the perceived Y2K world wide banking crash actually happened. Since it is the computer age, it probably will be a number imbedded in a very small microchip or biochip as they want to call those designed for humans. They are already testing the (RFID) Radio Frequency Identification Devices in humans in Florida. In particular, for Seniors with Alzheimer's to store their health records on. Instead of the chip that was about twice the size of a grain of rice, like the one in my dog's neck; they have now shrunk the RFID down to not a whole lot bigger than a grain of salt. I posted the following on another site a couple years ago, so the technology is even more advanced now. I added two links at the bottom very recently, in fact that second to the bottom link was dated 20 Nov. 2013 and has a picture of the world's fastest super computer, which doubled the size and speed of the previous record holder. Those two links show that the world really does computers big enough and fast enough acomodate all the worlds bank accounts, and the fact that RFID readers are already starting to show up in stores, should make us sit up and take notice that the stage is set and the time could be very near.


WHAT IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST


The most likely thing the Mark of the Beast could be is a biochip implant, because of the Biblical statement that one will not be able to buy or sell anything without it. They currently have built into them up to a 15 digit ID numbering system. It will not surprise me, (if the Church is still here), when the Antichrist comes to power as the Head of State of the old Roman Empire; that he averts a world wide economic collapse by converting all of the worlds monitary systems and bank accounts to function like credit cards in the form of these implanted biochips. AND watch him add a number to all three hyphenated groups of numbers stored in those Biochip IDs, such as: 123456-123456-123456. Hence his number will be 666 (6 digits dash 6 digits dash 6 digits). Also some of the Techs working on these super computers that they believe we are going to need in the near future, have jokingly referred to their super computers as the "beast"; but I am not laughing.





HERE IS THE RFID MICROCHIP TV ADVERT 100% PROOF IT IS HERE - YouTube

IBM RFID Commercial - The Future Market - YouTube

Hitachi Releases 2.5mm C1G2 Durable RFID Tag: Host Louis Sirico - YouTube

Under Your SkinThe War against Freedom – Human Biochip Implant

Microchip Implants

Bio-chip implant arrives for cashless transactions

Tianhe-2 Tops Supercomputer List > ENGINEERING.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GovcXrEVCc

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microchip_implant_(human)

https://www.theatlantic.com/technol...id-chip-in-his-hand-to-spread-gif-art/278929/

Office puts chips under staff's skin - BBC News


 
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I added three new links recently, so the second from the bottom that I mentioned is now 5th from the bottom in my post above.
 

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Yes I saw that one a few days ago, scary isn't it. They are desensitizing people to having a chip in their hands.
Yes, it is scary! And it appears that they are looking forward to it. Excited even! I'm sure that very soon will begin to see people world-wide beginning to use this device in replacement of swiping cards and cell phone bank apps to credit and debit (buying and selling) their bank accounts.

Regarding this, since we can see the stage being set for the coming mark and that antichrist, then the gathering of the church is very close indeed.
 
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What is going to happen to all those Christians who are expecting to be raptured before the Antichrist is revealed and it doesn't happen?
 
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I wonder if part of the punishment for those who promoted a pre-trib rapture while on earth will be that the Lord will make them watch what is happening to the millions of confused Christians who are in total panic mode because the Antichrist is revealed and the rapture did not happen. Then maybe the Lord will have then write the words of Jesus, Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the Lord appear and gather His chosen, a billion times.
 

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GOD DOES NOT COUNT LIKE YOU DO.
God only counts two, because HE counts the different phases of the First Resurrection, as ONE RESURRECTION.

Those phases of the First Resurrection are, The Righteous Dead First, maybe even in order of their deaths, (John 5:28-29).

1 Corinthians 15:21-23 (YLT)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] for since through man is the death, also through man is a rising again of the dead,
[SUP]22 [/SUP] for even as in Adam all die, so also in the Christ all shall be made alive,
[SUP]23 [/SUP] and each in his proper order, a first-fruit Christ, afterwards those who are the Christ's, in his presence,

Then those who are alive when He sends the Archangel to shout and Call Out True Born Again Believers have their their Bodies Changed in the twinkling of an eye as we head up to meet Him in the Air to go to the Wedding, (1 Thess. 4:16-17, 1 Cor. 15:52-53), and then the Martyred Saints of the Great Tribulation, (Rev. 20:4-5). Those are all part of the FIRST RESURRECTION. Then a thousand years later comes the Second Resurrection, the unbelievers of all time are raised to face their Judgement Day, to be cast into the eternal Lake of Fire.

The Resurrection of the SAVED unto eternal life, and the Resurrection of the UNSAVED unto eternal judgement and punishment. I only count TWO.

VCO,


Maybe it is just me, but what your saying is not quite clear to me.

I think that we would agree that Jesus was the 1st one resurrected.

Paul calls it the first resurrection.

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But you are now saying that a resur. 1900 years in the future is also the 1st resurrection? (begin trib)

And then a resur. after that, is another 1st resur.? (trib saints? at the of the trib)

So all 3 together are the 1st resur.?

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Aren't you forgetting the Multitude that no man can count (MNMC#)? And the 5th seal martyrs?

They must have been resurrected after the trib started, to come out of it, Yes?

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What about the 2 witnesses (2Ws), they are resurrected, do you count that?

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What about the resurrection that Brother Popeye talks about in Rev 14:14-16? Do you count that?

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Nope

The AC will require a mark to be accepted. Those refusing loose their heads.

Your example can not be the AC
Rev 20:4

John the Baptist is the one that is referred to here.

He was beheaded by the Roman iron beast nation.

The mark is the mark of Caesar or the Vatican (image).
 

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Look at it this way,when Lazarus died his spirit went someplace. Then Jesus raised him from the dead. Now,he did not receive a glorified body.
I agree.

Now look at the thief on the cross. He died and went someplace.
Jesus said that today you with be with me in paradise.

He has never resurrected.
Show me the scripture that says this.

He will one day.
The thief resurrected with Jesus Eph 4:8-10

The fact that those already dead in Christ are with Jesus
No, it says that the "dead in Christ" rise first.

If they rise first, how can they already be with the Lord?

does not conflict with those same people rising from the dead.
1 Thess 4:13-18, 3 groups that are resurrected to eternal life.

1. V 14, bring with Him, the OT saints.

2. V 16, the dead in Christ, the just who have died since the 1st resurrection.

3. V 17, those alive at His coming. (us maybe)

The unjust who are alive when Jesus comes must die first, before they are "resurrected" to bow the knee, with the rest of the unjust Jn 5:28-29.
 

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What is going to happen to all those Christians who are expecting to be raptured before the Antichrist is revealed and it doesn't happen?
If that was to happen (and I say "If" for the sake of this post) those in Christ would recognize the antichrist and go to prayer asking God to give them strength to go through all that was about to happen, which would include God's wrath.

For the true Christian, faith is not based on when the gathering of the church takes place, but on the shed blood of Christ.

A more accurate question would be, what will the punishment be for those who did not believe in the Lord's promise to keep believers out of the time of tribulation and not believe that believers are not appointed to suffer God's wrath.

We believe that the Lord will appear to gather the church prior to His wrath being poured out because we believe in Jesus sacrifice in that He took upon himself the wrath that all believers deserve and thereby satisfying God's wrath completely.

We believe scripture when it states that Jesus rescues us from the coming wrath. We are looking for the blessed hope and longing for His appearing. On the other hand, you and those who believe as you do, by your belief you don't recognize that because you would have believers going through the time of God's wrath, which would certainly be no blessed hope.

No! The Lord will keep his promise and remove the true church prior to the fist seal being opened which initiates His wrath.
 

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Mat 24:3-34 verses all discuss the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. Yes, Christ returned, His presence was there to execute judgment and to rescue the righteous. There was no resurrection then. Between verse 34 and 35 is the transition from 70 AD events to the real end of time. Look closely.

[SUP]34 [/SUP]Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.

This verse tells us that everything prior to this happened to the generation of 30-70 AD. Now Christ says this:

[SUP]35 [/SUP]Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away. [SUP]36 [/SUP]“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.

Now He is discussing His future (to us) return. No one knows the day and hour that heaven and earth will pass away and His future return. The proof comes from Luke 17. Luke 17 is separate from Luke 21 and was not part of the Olivet. This discussion came BEFORE the Olivet. I believe we are living "in the days of Noah."

Lk 17:22-37, dest of Jeru. see v31, and Mk 13:15, Matt 24:17-18