The Rapture

VCO · Jul 5, 2017

Zechariah 14:8-11 (ESV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] On that day living waters shall flow out from Jerusalem, half of them to the eastern sea and half of them to the western sea. It shall continue in summer as in winter.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] And the LORD will be king over all the earth. On that day the LORD will be one and his name one.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] The whole land shall be turned into a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem. But Jerusalem shall remain aloft on its site from the Gate of Benjamin to the place of the former gate, to the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananel to the king’s winepresses.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] And it shall be inhabited, for there shall never again be a decree of utter destruction. Jerusalem shall dwell in security.

While some say it could symbolize Salvation coming to the Jews. That happens PRIOR to His Second Coming via the TWO WITNESSES, and therefore, I believe it is LITERALLY His way of Bringing LIFE back the LAND to be EXTREMELY FRUITFUL. Remember From GEBA to RIMMON will be Flatten into a huge Valley that will be perfect for farmland, with irrigation cannals from those Rivers. You see, I STILL BELIEVE IN THE POWER OF OUR CREATER. My guess is you don't? Do you believe in evolution too?

Bogadile · Jul 5, 2017

Dallas Seminary. This place has produced the greats like Hal Lindsey? I do not take anything seriously coming out of there to be honest, so many false prophecies and predictions from the blood moons to the y2k.

I would be careful with any doctrine that has become hollywood and enjoyed by the world(left behind..). Not saying this to discredit the good pastors or teachers who might of came from Dallas Seminary, but as an institution I would be very suspicious based on the history of some of these guys.

J7 · Jul 5, 2017

PlainWord said:

No, it was a 7 year period from AD67-73. Hence it was called 'The days Of Vengeance' by Christ, as the blueprint for Daniel's 70 Weeks entails one day being equal to one year.

KJV1611 · Jul 5, 2017

VCO said:

Zechariah 14:8-11 (ESV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] On that day living waters shall flow out from Jerusalem, half of them to the eastern sea and half of them to the western sea. It shall continue in summer as in winter.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] And the LORD will be king over all the earth. On that day the LORD will be one and his name one.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] The whole land shall be turned into a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem. But Jerusalem shall remain aloft on its site from the Gate of Benjamin to the place of the former gate, to the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananel to the king’s winepresses.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] And it shall be inhabited, for there shall never again be a decree of utter destruction. Jerusalem shall dwell in security.

While some say it could symbolize Salvation coming to the Jews. That happens PRIOR to His Second Coming via the TWO WITNESSES, and therefore, I believe it is LITERALLY His way of Bringing LIFE back the LAND to be EXTREMELY FRUITFUL. Remember From GEBA to RIMMON will be Flatten into a huge Valley that will be perfect for farmland, with irrigation cannals from those Rivers. You see, I STILL BELIEVE IN THE POWER OF OUR CREATER. My guess is you don't? Do you believe in evolution too?

Of course I don't believe in the creator, and I cast out devils in the name of beelzebub. Did you catch the symbolic message I sent you there?

J7 · Jul 5, 2017

Bogadile said:

Well, you've really nailed a big problem here Boga.

One or two dispies here treat words like playdough, and the Bible like a subnormal witness, telling us that clear and self-evident meanings are actually incorrect, and that the real meaning is something completely different. No doubt if God was in the witness box, one or two of them would interject as his attorney:

"What the defendant really meant to say your honour was not that he intended to do such and such, but actually quite the contrary"

Bogadile · Jul 5, 2017

VCO I think it is not fair to say that we do not believe in the power of God who happen to interpret a symbolic book (Rev 1:1) differently. The fact is that the Church has had both positions for ages, and the early Christians managed to still fellowship and not resort to name-calling.

Justin Martyr who held the historic premillennial position said that "on the other hand, I signified to you that many who belong to the pure and pious faith, and are true Christians, think otherwise"

So clearly both positions have been held from the get go and they managed to co-exist. So if we could refrain from personal accusations of some not believing in the power of God and such, it would be great. We must consider that some who may not be Christians could be reading this conversation, and we must consider our testimony even then.

I could just as easily say oh you carnal premillennialists, your mind is on the earthly and not on things above, he who hath ears let him hear. See that is not helpful, the end destination of both position is the same, and we both share that destination which is eternity with our Lord Jesus Christ in the new Heaven and New Earth, we merely differ in what detour we take to get there.

Ahwatukee · Jul 5, 2017

Good morning KJV1611,

All of those examples that you listed above, their interpretation as to whether they are to be taken literally or symbolically must be derived from the context. All that you have done is group everything into one lump.

The two main distinctions of dispensationalism are as follows: 1) a consistently literal interpretation of Scripture, especially Bible prophecy, and 2) a view of the uniqueness of Israel as separate from the Church in God’s program.

The millennial kingdom will, as its name suggests, be a literal thousand years in duration, with Christ literally ruling on this earth from Jerusalem. His kingdom will fill the whole earth (Dan.2:35).

We are given some of the characteristics throughout scripture that will exist during the millennial period and that because those characteristics do not and have not existed and therefore must still be future, since everything that is written must be fulfilled. The following should be taken in the literal sense, as there is nothing in the context that would infer a symbolic interpretation:

* The wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the young goat, and the calf and the lion and the fattened calf together; and a little child shall lead them.

* The cow and the bear shall graze; their young shall lie down together

* The lion shall eat straw like the Ox

* The nursing child shall play over the hole of the cobra, and the weaned child shall put his hand in the vipers den.

* They shall not hurt or destroy in all my holy mountain; for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea.

All of the above are consistent in demonstrating a time of peace, where prey and predator animals will lie down together with their young. The lion eating straw like the Ox, demonstrates that there will be no prey and predatory animals during that time. At what time in the history of the world could a young child play over the hole of a cobra or stick his hand into an vipers den and not be harmed?

Since these are written in the word of God and there has been no time in history when these characteristics have ever existed, then there is no other place where this could exist except for the millennial period and that because it surely doesn't exist now and after the millennial period is the eternal state, so it can't be referring about eternity. The only conclusion is that these characteristics will exist during the millennial period.

The word of God, including the book of Revelation, should be read in the literal sense unless a symbolic interpretation is obvious. Some examples being 1). a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and wearing a crown of twelve stars. And 2) An enormous read dragon with seven heads, ten horns and seven crowns. These are symbolic with literal meanings behind them, which we are given the answers to. I see a lot of people refer to the book of Revelation as mostly imagery and it is not. They are just repeating what they have heard. The book of Revelation does indeed use a mixture of metaphors, figures and symbolism within literal statements, but those are fairly easy to identify.

It is a matter of being able to discern between what is symbolic and what the literal meaning is behind that symbolism and what is literal, not needing any symbolic interpretation. You can give me anything in the book of Revelation and I can tell you whether it is symbolic or literal. And if symbolic, I can you give you the literal meaning behind the symbolism.

KJV1611 · Jul 5, 2017

Ahwatukee said:

Good morning KJV1611,

All of those examples that you listed above, their interpretation as to whether they are to be taken literally or symbolically must be derived from the context. All that you have done is group everything into one lump.

The two main distinctions of dispensationalism are as follows: 1) a consistently literal interpretation of Scripture, especially Bible prophecy, and 2) a view of the uniqueness of Israel as separate from the Church in God’s program.

The millennial kingdom will, as its name suggests, be a literal thousand years in duration, with Christ literally ruling on this earth from Jerusalem. His kingdom will fill the whole earth (Dan.2:35).

We are given some of the characteristics throughout scripture that will exist during the millennial period and that because those characteristics do not and have not existed and therefore must still be future, since everything that is written must be fulfilled. The following should be taken in the literal sense, as there is nothing in the context that would infer a symbolic interpretation:

* The wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the young goat, and the calf and the lion and the fattened calf together; and a little child shall lead them.

* The cow and the bear shall graze; their young shall lie down together

* The lion shall eat straw like the Ox

* The nursing child shall play over the hole of the cobra, and the weaned child shall put his hand in the vipers den.

* They shall not hurt or destroy in all my holy mountain; for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea.

All of the above are consistent in demonstrating a time of peace, where prey and predator animals will lie down together with their young. The lion eating straw like the Ox, demonstrates that there will be no prey and predatory animals during that time. At what time in the history of the world could a young child play over the hole of a cobra or stick his hand into an vipers den and not be harmed?

Since these are written in the word of God and there has been no time in history when these characteristics have ever existed, then there is no other place where this could exist except for the millennial period and that because it surely doesn't exist now and after the millennial period is the eternal state, so it can't be referring about eternity. The only conclusion is that these characteristics will exist during the millennial period.

The word of God, including the book of Revelation, should be read in the literal sense unless a symbolic interpretation is obvious. Some examples being 1). a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and wearing a crown of twelve stars. And 2) An enormous read dragon with seven heads, ten horns and seven crowns. These are symbolic with literal meanings behind them, which we are given the answers to. I see a lot of people refer to the book of Revelation as mostly imagery and it is not. They are just repeating what they have heard. The book of Revelation does indeed use a mixture of metaphors, figures and symbolism within literal statements, but those are fairly easy to identify.

It is a matter of being able to discern between what is symbolic and what the literal meaning is behind that symbolism and what is literal, not needing any symbolic interpretation. You can give me anything in the book of Revelation and I can tell you whether it is symbolic or literal. And if symbolic, I can you give you the literal meaning behind the symbolism.

In John 7:12 Jesus is a river supplying water to "he that believeth on me"... this is symbolic of the Holy Ghost.

John 7:37-38 KJV
In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
[38] He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

Is the living water in Revelation 7:17 the Holy Ghost also?

Revelation 7:17 KJV
For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

Bogadile · Jul 5, 2017

Ahwatukee said:

In reality dispensationalists do not interpret the Bible literally, as has been brought up multiple times with invented gaps in prophecy, 7 church ages, ignoring historical fulfillment and making everything future (especially when talking about Israel).
The second distinction you mentioned was a separation between the Church and Israel well:

Acts 7:38 "This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:"

The true believers within the flesh descendants of Israel were the Church, the ekklesia, the called out ones, the assembly.
No matter who your father was, Moses or Aaron, if you disobeyed and did certain things you would be cut off from amongst the people, plenty examples of this in Leviticus.
A key verse to mention here would be Deuteronomy 18:18-19 which is quoted by the Apostle Peter in:

Acts 3:23 "And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people."

So that should settle it, if you reject Jesus Christ, you will be cut off from the people. Jew or Gentile. (1Cor 16:22)

As for just repeating what we have heard, pot meet kettle.

Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:"

(Shortly come to pass, signified.)

Does it not bother anyone that the doctrine of dispensationalism is unheard of in Church history? Historic premillennialism has always been there, but dispensationalism is so new.

All quotes are from the King James Bible just for my buddy KJV1611.

KJV1611 · Jul 5, 2017

Bogadile said:

In reality dispensationalists do not interpret the Bible literally, as has been brought up multiple times with invented gaps in prophecy, 7 church ages, ignoring historical fulfillment and making everything future (especially when talking about Israel).
The second distinction you mentioned was a separation between the Church and Israel well:

Acts 7:38 "This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:"

The true believers within the flesh descendants of Israel were the Church, the ekklesia, the called out ones, the assembly.
No matter who your father was, Moses or Aaron, if you disobeyed and did certain things you would be cut off from amongst the people, plenty examples of this in Leviticus.
A key verse to mention here would be Deuteronomy 18:18-19 which is quoted by the Apostle Peter in:

Acts 3:23 "And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people."

So that should settle it, if you reject Jesus Christ, you will be cut off from the people. Jew or Gentile. (1Cor 16:22)

As for just repeating what we have heard, pot meet kettle.

Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:"

(Shortly come to pass, signified.)

Does it not bother anyone that the doctrine of dispensationalism is unheard of in Church history? Historic premillennialism has always been there, but dispensationalism is so new.

All quotes are from the King James Bible just for my buddy KJV1611.

That Prophet is speaking right now through the pages of the bible and the witness of Christians. That means that when they're blaspheming the blood of Christ while they're slaughtering lambs in Jerusalem in the rebuilt temple, God ain't gonna save them.

That was a "drop the mike" slam dunk outta the park statement you made there my friend! This argument is over.

J7 · Jul 5, 2017

Nothing to add.

Bogadile said:

In reality dispensationalists do not interpret the Bible literally, as has been brought up multiple times with invented gaps in prophecy, 7 church ages, ignoring historical fulfillment and making everything future (especially when talking about Israel).
The second distinction you mentioned was a separation between the Church and Israel well:

Acts 7:38 "This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:"

The true believers within the flesh descendants of Israel were the Church, the ekklesia, the called out ones, the assembly.
No matter who your father was, Moses or Aaron, if you disobeyed and did certain things you would be cut off from amongst the people, plenty examples of this in Leviticus.
A key verse to mention here would be Deuteronomy 18:18-19 which is quoted by the Apostle Peter in:

Acts 3:23 "And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people."

So that should settle it, if you reject Jesus Christ, you will be cut off from the people. Jew or Gentile. (1Cor 16:22)

As for just repeating what we have heard, pot meet kettle.

Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:"

(Shortly come to pass, signified.)

Does it not bother anyone that the doctrine of dispensationalism is unheard of in Church history? Historic premillennialism has always been there, but dispensationalism is so new.

All quotes are from the King James Bible just for my buddy KJV1611.

RickyZ · Jul 5, 2017

KJV1611 said:

I always found it interesting that those who do not see a gap in Daniels weeks, can see a 2000+ year millennium.

J7 · Jul 5, 2017

RickyZ said:

There's no reason why there cannot be a gap there,(imo).

However, it was fulfilled, verbatim. And fulfilled Prophecy is very important. Why?

Because God does not lie.

And Jesus, who is the Spirit Of Prophecy, is the Way, the Life, the Truth.

If the Word is sure, then fulfilled prophecy is a more sure Word.

Psalm 119:160 Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.

I would say the deniers of the judgement of Jerusalem are denying God's righteousness, and his enduring Justice and judgement

KJV1611 · Jul 5, 2017

RickyZ said:

It's interesting how people who DO see a gap in Daniels weeks, have very low reading comprehension lol. Can you show me where I said I see a 2000+ year milennium in the bible?

valiant · Jul 5, 2017

We can all and should get down off the throne in our hearts and willingly out of LOVE for HIM, give him that throne. However, what it is talking about in Prophecy is the DAY HE SITS DOWN ON THE THRONE OF DAVID, IN JERUSALEM here on Earth, and will Reign for a thousand years.

Zechariah 14:4-9 (HCSB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] On that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which faces Jerusalem on the east. The Mount of Olives will be split in half from east to west, forming a huge valley, so that half the mountain will move to the north and half to the south.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] You will flee by My mountain valley, for the valley of the mountains will extend to Azal. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come and all the holy ones with Him.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] On that day there will be no light; the sunlight and moonlight will diminish.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] It will be a day known ⌊only⌋ to Yahweh, without day or night, but there will be light at evening.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it toward the eastern sea and the other half toward the western sea, in summer and winter alike.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] On that day Yahweh will become King over all the earth—Yahweh alone, and His name alone.

By the way, file that verse in your memory, IT IS A GREAT VERSE TO PROVE THE DEITY OF JESUS CHRIST.

I fail to see how a verse which refers to YHWH of Hosts can be said to prove the deity of Jesus. Only to those who read Jesus in where it doesn't say Jesus

KJV1611 · Jul 5, 2017

J7 said:

I don't know if you've thought of this or not J7 but the 70 weeks were not Judgement on Jerusalem as in the physical destruction, it was for them to finish their transgression - killing the prophets, Jesus being THE Prophet. He also made an end of their sin and reconciled them through the cross and gave them (the ones who followed him) everlasting righteousness. He fulfilled the prophecies and was annointed king over the Jews - the ones who followed him. There is no punishment mentioned in the 70 weeks.

Daniel 9:24 KJV
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

KJV1611 · Jul 5, 2017

These verses just came to my mind. The prophets were up UNTIL John, in other words the prophecies were SEALED at John, there were no more to come.

Matthew 11:12-14 KJV
[12]And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
[13] For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
[14] And if ye will receive it , this is Elias, which was for to come.

It is also interesting how God called Elijah John the baptist in verse 12 and he called John the baptist Elijah in verse 14.

J7 · Jul 5, 2017

It is hard to imagine anything more reproachful to Daniel, a devout Jew, than the destruction of Jerusalem, and yet in 587BC, 21 years into the Babylonian Captivity, that is what happened. Solomon's Temple was destroyed. Daniel of course mentions this:

Daniel 9:16 O Lord, according to all thy righteousness, I beseech thee, let thine anger and thy fury be turned away from thy city Jerusalem, thy holy mountain: because for our sins, and for the iniquities of our fathers, Jerusalem and thy people are become a reproach to all that are about us.

So when Gabriel tells him this is prophesied to happen again, this is very very bad news.

and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;

Which is why Paul says refusal to accept Christ means big trouble for the Jews:

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

VCO · Jul 5, 2017

KJV1611 said:

You certainly hit the nail on the head when you said, "We have different understandings."

First of all, could you Please include the Book, Chapter, and Version with your Bible Quotes. Thank You.

SECOND, I have a question first. Hasn't any of your Pastors in your life told you it is Critically important, to read the entire Context, before you even begin to try to interpret a verse in Scripture? I have heard that SO MANY TIMES, that I could not begin to count them.

Here is the verse you were quoting:

John 7:38 (KJV)
[SUP]38 [/SUP] He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

John 7:38 (NKJV)
[SUP]38 [/SUP] He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water."

John 7:38 (HCSB)
[SUP]38 [/SUP] The one who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, will have streams of living water flow from deep within him.”

NOW, here is what it says in Zech.

Zechariah 14:8 (HCSB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it toward the eastern sea and the other half toward the western sea, in summer and winter alike.

If the second half of that verse was NOT THERE, you might have a Point; however with that second part of that verse, it is CLEARLY talking about much NEEDED WATER FOR THE LAND. Remember the TWO WITNESSES Caused it NOT TO RAIN FOR THEIR ENTIRE MINISTRY of 1260 Days. NO RAIN, why does it surprise you that DAY ONE of the Second coming, HE CAUSES TWO RIVERS TO GUSH FROM A SPRING, to rejuvenate the land?

Revelation 11:3-6 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] I will empower my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, dressed in sackcloth.”
[SUP]4 [/SUP] These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] If anyone wants to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and consumes their enemies; if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this way.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] These men have the power to close up the sky so that it does not rain during the days of their prophecy. They also have power over the waters to turn them into blood and to strike the earth with every plague whenever they want.

Israel will literally turn into a DUST BOWL.

Jeremiah 4:22-27 (NRSV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] "For my people are foolish, they do not know me; they are stupid children, they have no understanding. They are skilled in doing evil, but do not know how to do good."
[SUP]23 [/SUP] I looked on the earth, and lo, it was waste and void; and to the heavens, and they had no light.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] I looked on the mountains, and lo, they were quaking, and all the hills moved to and fro.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] I looked, and lo, there was no one at all, and all the birds of the air had fled.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] I looked, and lo, the fruitful land was a desert, and all its cities were laid in ruins before the LORD, before his fierce anger.
[SUP]27 [/SUP] For thus says the LORD: The whole land shall be a desolation; yet I will not make a full end.

THIS IS THE CONTEXT OF VERSE 8, that you INSIST ON IGNORING, which CLEARLY IS THE SECOND COMING:

Zechariah 14:2-5 (HCSB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle. The city will be captured, the houses looted, and the women raped. Half the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be removed from the city.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Then the LORD will go out to fight against those nations as He fights on a day of battle.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] On that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which faces Jerusalem on the east. The Mount of Olives will be split in half from east to west, forming a huge valley, so that half the mountain will move to the north and half to the south.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] You will flee by My mountain valley, for the valley of the mountains will extend to Azal. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come and all the holy ones with Him.
Ezekiel 39:24-29 (RSV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] I dealt with them according to their uncleanness and their transgressions, and hid my face from them.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] "Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: Now I will restore the fortunes of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel; and I will be jealous for my holy name. {The 144,000 are the Remant of the WHOLE HOUSE OF ISRAEL.}
[SUP]26 [/SUP] They shall forget their shame, and all the treachery they have practiced against me, when they dwell securely in their land with none to make them afraid,
[SUP]27 [/SUP] when I have brought them back from the peoples and gathered them from their enemies' lands, and through them have vindicated my holiness in the sight of many nations.
[SUP]28 [/SUP] Then they shall know that I am the LORD their God because I sent them into exile among the nations, and then gathered them into their own land. I will leave none of them remaining among the nations any more;
[SUP]29 [/SUP] and I will not hide my face any more from them, when I pour out my Spirit upon the house of Israel, says the Lord GOD."

Amos 9:11-15 (HCSB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] In that day I will restore the fallen booth of David: I will repair its gaps, restore its ruins, and rebuild it as in the days of old,
[SUP]12 [/SUP] so that they may possess the remnant of Edom and all the nations that are called by My name— ⌊this is⌋ the LORD’s declaration— He will do this.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Hear this! The days are coming— ⌊this is⌋ the LORD’s declaration— when the plowman will overtake the reaper and the one who treads grapes, the sower of seed. The mountains will drip with sweet wine, and all the hills will flow ⌊with it⌋.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] I will restore the fortunes of My people Israel. They will rebuild and occupy ruined cities, plant vineyards and drink their wine, make gardens and eat their produce.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] I will plant them on their land, and they will never again be uprooted from the land I have given them. Yahweh your God has spoken.

NOW, are you beginning to understand, why there will be a critical need for those streams of LIVING (<-H2416 has an alternative meaning of running->) WATER LITERALLY? While the Greek word in your verse (G2198 - [FONT=&quot]zaō[/FONT]) NEVER HAS THE POTENTIAL MEANING OF RUNNING. You are comparing Apples to Oranges and erroneously thinking they are the same.

Jeremiah 23:3-4 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] “I will gather the remnant of My flock from all the lands where I have banished them, and I will return them to their grazing land. They will become fruitful and numerous.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] I will raise up shepherds over them who will shepherd them. They will no longer be afraid or dismayed, nor will any be missing.” ⌊This is⌋ the LORD’s declaration.

It says we will Reign with Him as Priests, that may very well be part our JOBS in the 1000 Year Earthly Kingdom.

Issachar92 · Jul 5, 2017

valiant said:

Simple. Jesus is the King - YHWH is the King. Jesus returns to the mount of Olives, YHWH returns to the mount of Olives.

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