The Rapture

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Issachar92 said:
More madness and confusion. 144 000 happened already, WHEN?
Seas symbolize old and new covenant in some way in zech 14:8? Where did you come up with that? I present to you the danger of allegory, anything can mean anything.


To try to unravel this whirlwind of weirdness, can yall hit me up and tell me exactly WHY Revelation cant be future? Because it says soon is that it?
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Yes, Issachar92...More and more people are realizing..I hope anyway....that Jesus returned. It is confusing at first since we have been spoon fed futurist stuff. The view is called covenant eschatology or full preterism. It really makes sense to me. In Revelation in the first verse and last i believe it says He was coming soon. First century was a long time ago. Jewish temple was destroyed in 70Ad. Matt. 24 Mark 13, luke 21 and other passages tell of this ..It definitely is a departure from the premillenial dispensational view. As for the 144000 if we think about it. 12 times 12000 equals 144000... representing the 12 tribes of Israel. who were offered salvation like the gentiles...beautiful stuff really. I have learned a ton on youtube from Don k. Preston...and William Bell does a lot of vids too. PReston has read several books also. THis view is not going away.
 
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KJV1611 said:
So what do you think LIVING WATERS flow into... literal seas? Remember the new testament already told us that the living waters are the Holy Ghost.
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A stream flowing East out o Jerusalem will end up in the Dead Sea, and a stream flowing west out of Jerusalem will end up in the Mediterannean Sea.

 
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KJV1611 said:
So what do you think LIVING WATERS flow into... literal seas? Remember the new testament already told us that the living waters are the Holy Ghost.
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This is how rightly dividing the word of truth works. The division isn't discerning between Israel and the church, the division is between the spritual and the literal.

Reading the bible and "spritualizing" things isn't rightly dividing, we can't say this symbolizes that because I think it does, it has to be concrete evidence. In the case of the living water we are told that living water is the Holy Ghost. We can't change the meaning of the definition just because it's in the book of Revelation or it doesn't fit what we THINK we know.

If the living waters are flowing into a sea, then it's not a literal sea. It HAS to be something that the Holy Ghost can flow into. It can only be two things that I can think of, people or the word.

The bible is symbolized as water, so it makes sense that the FORMER sea would be the Old Testament and the HINDER or LAST sea would be the last or new testament. OR it could be talking about saved Jews of the FORMER testament and Gentiles of the LAST testament... people are symbolized as people in the bible also - "many waters"

I thinks its talking about the old and new testament BUT it doesn't matter as far as understanding the time stamp that it places on Zechariah 14:8... LIVING WATERS flowed out of Jerusalem when Jesus came the FIRST time.

Zechariah 14:8 KJV
And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
 
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A stream flowing East out o Jerusalem will end up in the Dead Sea, and a stream flowing west out of Jerusalem will end up in the Mediterannean Sea.

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So you're ok with ignoring the fact that the living water is the Holy Spirit?
 
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KJV1611 said:
This is how rightly dividing the word of truth works. The division isn't discerning between Israel and the church, the division is between the spritual and the literal.

Reading the bible and "spritualizing" things isn't rightly dividing, we can't say this symbolizes that because I think it does, it has to be concrete evidence. In the case of the living water we are told that living water is the Holy Ghost. We can't change the meaning of the definition just because it's in the book of Revelation or it doesn't fit what we THINK we know.

If the living waters are flowing into a sea, then it's not a literal sea. It HAS to be something that the Holy Ghost can flow into. It can only be two things that I can think of, people or the word.

The bible is symbolized as water, so it makes sense that the FORMER sea would be the Old Testament and the HINDER or LAST sea would be the last or new testament. OR it could be talking about saved Jews of the FORMER testament and Gentiles of the LAST testament... people are symbolized as people in the bible also - "many waters"

I thinks its talking about the old and new testament BUT it doesn't matter as far as understanding the time stamp that it places on Zechariah 14:8... LIVING WATERS flowed out of Jerusalem when Jesus came the FIRST time.

Zechariah 14:8 KJV
And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
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Why do you feel it is important to believe this?
 
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KJV1611 said:
Hang on VCO, we are told in John 7 that LIVING WATER is the Holy Ghost. If LIVING WATER is the Holy Ghost in John 7 then why is it not the Holy Ghost in Zechariah 14:8?

John 7:38-39 KJV
He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. [39] (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
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How about actually reading my post, before you snap back.

The Hebrew word has another meaning RUNNING WATER, which is the EXACT SAME TWO WORDS AS LIVING WATER in Hebrew.

For your information, Historians say the Temple Mount had 37 Cysterns that were filled with spring water from a near by MASSIVE spring, that pumps water from an estimated 400 feet down. SO THERE REALLY IS A LARGE AMOUNT OF WATER BELOW JERUSALEM.

[video=youtube;jE9zzi_gZ04]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE9zzi_gZ04[/video]
 
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VCO said:
How about actually reading my post, before you snap back.

The Hebrew word has another meaning RUNNING WATER, which is the EXACT SAME TWO WORDS AS LIVING WATER in Hebrew.

For your information, Historians say the Temple Mount had 37 Cysterns that were filled with spring water from a near by MASSIVE spring, that pumps water from an estimated 400 feet down. SO THERE REALLY IS A LARGE AMOUNT OF WATER BELOW JERUSALEM.

[video=youtube;jE9zzi_gZ04]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE9zzi_gZ04[/video]
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Well post the Hebrew definitions so we can see it. I don't understand Hebrew at all.
 
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Water aka hydrogen is a building block of the whole universe,
 
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KJV1611 said:
It don't know that is, I just like help people understand the bible better.
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If you teach the pretribulation rapture, you aren't accomplishing that.
 
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blitzen66 said:
Yes, Issachar92...More and more people are realizing..I hope anyway....that Jesus returned. It is confusing at first since we have been spoon fed futurist stuff. The view is called covenant eschatology or full preterism. It really makes sense to me. In Revelation in the first verse and last i believe it says He was coming soon. First century was a long time ago. Jewish temple was destroyed in 70Ad. Matt. 24 Mark 13, luke 21 and other passages tell of this ..It definitely is a departure from the premillenial dispensational view. As for the 144000 if we think about it. 12 times 12000 equals 144000... representing the 12 tribes of Israel. who were offered salvation like the gentiles...beautiful stuff really. I have learned a ton on youtube from Don k. Preston...and William Bell does a lot of vids too. PReston has read several books also. THis view is not going away.
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and unfortunately Blitzen66, when the Rapture has come and gone, You will have been left behind. SO SAD!
 
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KJV1611 said:
Well post the Hebrew definitions so we can see it. I don't understand Hebrew at all.
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I looked it up. Which definition did God intend in that verse? Alive, raw, fresh, strong, appetite, congregation. It's kind of dumb to think that man could know the answer to that question without the leading of the Holy Spirit.

חַיchay, khah'-ee; from H2421; alive; hence, raw (flesh); fresh (plant, water, year), strong; also (as noun, especially in the feminine singular and masculine plural) life (or living thing), whether literally or figuratively:— age, alive, appetite, (wild) beast, company, congregation, life(-time), live(-ly), living (creature, thing), maintenance, merry, multitude, (be) old, quick, raw, running, springing, troop.
 
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BeyondET said:
Water aka hydrogen is a building block of the whole universe,
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NO! God's Word was,,,,,REM Genesis1:3.."3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light."

Imagine, HE only spoke the thought and it happened.

Not Counting that there IS NO Universe....Have you seen it or take the word of NASA (liers that they are) or maybe Carl Seagan (the Atheist).


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J7 said:
No, it was a 7 year period from AD67-73. Hence it was called 'The days Of Vengeance' by Christ, as the blueprint for Daniel's 70 Weeks entails one day being equal to one year.
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The 7 years included some of the beginnings of sorrows. The really bad suffering (GT) didn't start until the siege wall was completed choking off the city's food supply.
 
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blitzen66 said:
Yes, Issachar92...More and more people are realizing..I hope anyway....that Jesus returned. It is confusing at first since we have been spoon fed futurist stuff. The view is called covenant eschatology or full preterism. It really makes sense to me. In Revelation in the first verse and last i believe it says He was coming soon. First century was a long time ago. Jewish temple was destroyed in 70Ad. Matt. 24 Mark 13, luke 21 and other passages tell of this ..It definitely is a departure from the premillenial dispensational view. As for the 144000 if we think about it. 12 times 12000 equals 144000... representing the 12 tribes of Israel. who were offered salvation like the gentiles...beautiful stuff really. I have learned a ton on youtube from Don k. Preston...and William Bell does a lot of vids too. PReston has read several books also. THis view is not going away.
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Matthew 24:23-27 (HCSB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] “If anyone tells you then, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘Over here!’ do not believe it!
[SUP]24 [/SUP] False messiahs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] Take note: I have told you in advance.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]So if they tell you, ‘Look, He’s in the wilderness!’ don’t go out; ‘Look, He’s in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it.
[SUP]27 [/SUP] For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
Matthew 24:29-30 (HCSB)
[SUP]29 [/SUP] “Immediately after the tribulation of those days: The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not shed its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the celestial powers will be shaken.
[SUP]30 [/SUP] “Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the peoples of the earth will mourn; and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.


 
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Brothers and Sisters who believe our Bridegroom is Coming for us.

Can you see the signs of the times?

Keep Ready it may be soon!


Matthew 25:6 (ESV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] But at midnight there was a cry, ‘Here is the bridegroom! Come out to meet him.’
 
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Brothers and Sisters who believe our Bridegroom is Coming for us.

Can you see the signs of the times?

Keep Ready it may be soon!


Matthew 25:6 (ESV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] But at midnight there was a cry, ‘Here is the bridegroom! Come out to meet him.’
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2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 (NKJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
 
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