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heartofdavid

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Guys am I seeing this right... doesn't Jesus sit on the throne of David in these verses?
No,he came with a mission. As a sacrifice. As the lamb of God.

That was the stumbling block. They were looking for a conquering king.

So,no he did not sit on David's throne.

I know futurist is scary to you for some reason,but it,David's throne, is FUTURE
 
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Jesus sits on the throne also in Daniel and Acts AFTER his ascension.

Daniel 7:13-14
"I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed."
Thanks, and I agree. The triumphal entry statements were more like "the kingdom of heaven is at hand".
 
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A great deal of the Church of Jesus Christ is carnal,backslid and most likely,as you say,"Of the devil".

Therefore,under your template,they ,the entire body of Christ is pure garbage.
I don't think everybody in Israel today is lost. There has always been a remnant of saved Jews. I'm saying that modern Israel as a whole isn't God's people.

The Jews in Israel today are literally devil worshppers, they practice Kaballah and follow the satanic Talmud.
 
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What are the 3 dispensations?
17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.
God bracketed those 3 time frames.
A dispensation is just a bracket of time.

Don't you think it is time to recognize the lack of some bogey man in the word "dispensation" ?
 
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I don't think everybody in Israel today is lost. There has always been a remnant of saved Jews. I'm saying that modern Israel as a whole isn't God's people.

The Jews in Israel today are literally devil worshppers, they practice Kaballah and follow the satanic Talmud.
You can not possibly miss the fact that the 12 tribes of Israel/Jacob make up the population of that geographical location,Israel.

Here they are being selected.
Rev 7
[FONT=&quot]3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;[/FONT]
 
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No,he came with a mission. As a sacrifice. As the lamb of God.

That was the stumbling block. They were looking for a conquering king.

So,no he did not sit on David's throne.

I know futurist is scary to you for some reason,but it,David's throne, is FUTURE
Futurism isn't scary, it's just wrong lol. You're like the Jews in Jesus' time, you're looking for a literal throne to be set up in Israel, it didn't happen then and it wont happen in the future... Jesus is already on the throne of David.
 
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17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.
God bracketed those 3 time frames.
A dispensation is just a bracket of time.

Don't you think it is time to recognize the lack of some bogey man in the word "dispensation" ?
What's being dispensed in each of those dispensations?
 
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heartofdavid

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I don't think everybody in Israel today is lost. There has always been a remnant of saved Jews. I'm saying that modern Israel as a whole isn't God's people.

The Jews in Israel today are literally devil worshppers, they practice Kaballah and follow the satanic Talmud.
I just finished reading exodus this morning.

it was around ch 30 where Arron made that golden calf and God told moses get down and deal with the people they have corrupted themselves.

Quite a few died. The levites slew thousands at Moses instruction.

Even though the remmnant perverted themselves and basically worshipped the devil,Moses convinced God not ot kill them all.

You can say they ,the Jews,are not God's people.

What you keep failing to factor in,is that God is a covenant God.

Look at Solomon. He allowed his wife to pervert and descrate the temple.

Look what God told him "If it were not for your father David,I would rip you down. But because of your father David,you will continue"

See that? God was referring to the "side covenant" he had made with David concerning his offspring.

Covenant. Very,very,very powerful
 
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heartofdavid

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What's being dispensed in each of those dispensations?
Dispensation of water,water is dispensed.

Dispensation of time,time is dispensed.

No worries,no heresy,no problem
 
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You can not possibly miss the fact that the 12 tribes of Israel/Jacob make up the population of that geographical location,Israel.

Here they are being selected.
Rev 7
3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.
8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
You see those verses from a dispensational point of view. I see those verses as the 144,000 sealed before the destruction of Israel in AD 70.
 
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heartofdavid

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Futurism isn't scary, it's just wrong lol. You're like the Jews in Jesus' time, you're looking for a literal throne to be set up in Israel, it didn't happen then and it wont happen in the future... Jesus is already on the throne of David.


Revelation 5King James Version (KJV)

5 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?
3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
 
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I just finished reading exodus this morning.

it was around ch 30 where Arron made that golden calf and God told moses get down and deal with the people they have corrupted themselves.

Quite a few died. The levites slew thousands at Moses instruction.

Even though the remmnant perverted themselves and basically worshipped the devil,Moses convinced God not ot kill them all.

You can say they ,the Jews,are not God's people.

What you keep failing to factor in,is that God is a covenant God.

Look at Solomon. He allowed his wife to pervert and descrate the temple.

Look what God told him "If it were not for your father David,I would rip you down. But because of your father David,you will continue"

See that? God was referring to the "side covenant" he had made with David concerning his offspring.

Covenant. Very,very,very powerful
I disagree, but his should a thread on of it's own. :)
 
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My dispensational friends, and I do mean that sincerely, this one verse annihilates the dispensational view of Matthew 24. From what I can tell, MOST of Matthew 24 is about the return of the son of man... Matthew 10:23 said he returned BEFORE the disciples preached the gospel to all the cities of Israel.

Matthew 10:23 KJV
But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.
 

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You see those verses from a dispensational point of view. I see those verses as the 144,000 sealed before the destruction of Israel in AD 70.
Exactly. They were the Jewish Christians (12K from each tribe) who were already living in Jerusalem or returned to Jerusalem to celebrate the Passover of 66 AD. They were sealed with the Holy Spirit reminiscent of the Passover of Egypt where blood was used to mark the doorways. These 144K were not to be harmed in the upcoming Wrath of God to befall Jerusalem.

[SUP]13 [/SUP]In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, [SUP]14 [/SUP]who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

[SUP]30 [/SUP]And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

[SUP]21 [/SUP]Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and has anointed us is God, [SUP]22 [/SUP]who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.


These sealed 144K Jewish Christians, from all over the known world, many of whom had been scattered and part of the lost tribes, were all gathered back to Jerusalem prior to the War. An angel appeared to them and told them to leave. They went over the mountains to the east then turned north and settled in Pella where they stayed for 3.5 years until the war was over. They then returned to Jerusalem and resettled it as a Christian city which is the way it remained for 1,000 years.




 

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My dispensational friends, and I do mean that sincerely, this one verse annihilates the dispensational view of Matthew 24. From what I can tell, MOST of Matthew 24 is about the return of the son of man... Matthew 10:23 said he returned BEFORE the disciples preached the gospel to all the cities of Israel.

Matthew 10:23 KJV
But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.
Are you now joining me in acknowledging that the parousia of Christ returned in 70 AD? We have three witness passages to this.
 

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I was watching Fox News last night and they had a story on about the wild fires in California. In the piece someone shot a picture of the moon. It was a full moon. The blaze of the fire made the moon to appear to be on fire also and they called it, "a blood moon." I can only imagine when Jerusalem was a blaze the same scene visible to them and the predictions of Christ of His imminent return.
 
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Are you now joining me in acknowledging that the parousia of Christ returned in 70 AD? We have three witness passages to this.
I don't know man... you speak a foreign language lol. What is parousia?
 
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I was watching Fox News last night and they had a story on about the wild fires in California. In the piece someone shot a picture of the moon. It was a full moon. The blaze of the fire made the moon to appear to be on fire also and they called it, "a blood moon." I can only imagine when Jerusalem was a blaze the same scene visible to them and the predictions of Christ of His imminent return.
Jesus had already returned before Jerusalem was set ablaze.