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Daniel 9:26 (HCSB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP]After those 62 weeks the Messiah will be cut off and will have nothing. The people of the coming prince will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come with a flood, and until the end there will be war;desolations are decreed.
What happened to Jerusalem and the temple in the verse above?
[SUP]26 [/SUP]After those 62 weeks the Messiah will be cut off and will have nothing. The people of the coming prince will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come with a flood, and until the end there will be war;desolations are decreed.
What happened to Jerusalem and the temple in the verse above?
The name Jacob means deciver or usurper. Seeing at the time of reformation the father of lies lost his face (identity )in respect to outward Jew... he fell and is bound from having a outward form by which he could decieve man . It is the time of his trouble. the outward Jew still rejects that Christ has come in the flesh .
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The antichrists plural who were there at the time of Christ decieved those who walked by sight gloriying after their own flesh.They would have it as if the reformation had no occured Sewing up the rent vail and rebuilding the shadow walls so that as a idol image they might workship the work of man's hand.
The abominaiton of desolation oocured thousands of years ago .When the veil was rent from the top to the bottom all of the work was finished.
Why rebuild that which Christ has destroyed? Whats the hope?
John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
The abominaiton of desolation oocured thousands of years ago .When the veil was rent from the top to the bottom all of the work was finished.
Why rebuild that which Christ has destroyed? Whats the hope?
John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
id give it more thought for sure but at the end of the day the doctrine has to come from the bible itself............
the abominatino of desolation is clearly related to end times because it also pseaks of Jesus coming and everyone seeing Him so it cant be that the abomination happened 2000 years ago and then no coming?????
the abominatino of desolation is clearly related to end times because it also pseaks of Jesus coming and everyone seeing Him so it cant be that the abomination happened 2000 years ago and then no coming?????
Repent therefore and turn again that your sins may be blotted out that times of refreshing
may come from the presence of the Lord and that he may send the Christ appointed for you
Jesus whom heaven must receive until the time of establishing all that God spoke of by the
mouth of his Holy Prophets from of old
Acts 3:19
From this we see that Christ had to remain in Heaven until everything God spoke about
through the Prophets was established. This must include the events of the Tribulation
because God spoke about it through the Prophets and through Jesus himself.
Jesus said immediately after the tribulation the Son of man will come in power and great
glory. Matt24:30
Apart from his first coming how many times does it say that Christ will leave heaven before
everything spoken by God through the Prophets is established? The answer is once. If its once
how come Pre Tribbers expect him to leave heaven twice, once to collect them and a second time to
bring them back?
may come from the presence of the Lord and that he may send the Christ appointed for you
Jesus whom heaven must receive until the time of establishing all that God spoke of by the
mouth of his Holy Prophets from of old
Acts 3:19
From this we see that Christ had to remain in Heaven until everything God spoke about
through the Prophets was established. This must include the events of the Tribulation
because God spoke about it through the Prophets and through Jesus himself.
Jesus said immediately after the tribulation the Son of man will come in power and great
glory. Matt24:30
Apart from his first coming how many times does it say that Christ will leave heaven before
everything spoken by God through the Prophets is established? The answer is once. If its once
how come Pre Tribbers expect him to leave heaven twice, once to collect them and a second time to
bring them back?
But it is not a doctrine, it is just a historical record.
The Book Of Maccabees the same. Without it we cannot understand Daniel, so what is the difference?
Luke is just a Historian also. Although where he writes from eyewitness accounts, Josephus was the eyewitness himself to the destruction of Jerusalem, which makes his testimony all the more compelling
[FONT="]1 Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us, 2 Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word; 3 It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus, 4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.[/FONT]
The Book Of Maccabees the same. Without it we cannot understand Daniel, so what is the difference?
Luke is just a Historian also. Although where he writes from eyewitness accounts, Josephus was the eyewitness himself to the destruction of Jerusalem, which makes his testimony all the more compelling
[FONT="]1 Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us, 2 Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word; 3 It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus, 4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.[/FONT]
i see what u are saying but we are on the same side no??????? but hey what about titus 2:13??????? it says APPEARING of our Lord and Savior and its a blessed hope so maybe its not the same as second coming........
u see they were waiting for that appearing how can they wait for it if there are so many signs to the second coming?????? they must of known it cannot just happen all of a sudden but it suggests imminency titus 2:13
u see they were waiting for that appearing how can they wait for it if there are so many signs to the second coming?????? they must of known it cannot just happen all of a sudden but it suggests imminency titus 2:13
NO, THAT IS NOT WHAT I BELIEVE. Here is what I believe in nut shell, about the final seven years of mortal humans ruling on the earth. I have not changed what I believe one iota. So you can go back and re-read all of my posts on this Thread if you want the verses. I do not care one bit, that you disagree or why. I am totally at peace with GOD, with the understanding that I absolutely believe the Holy Spirit has led me to. I am here to encourage, like minded Christians, NOT to win you over.
Even after the Temple was Destroyed in 70 A.D., GOD's mission for this GAP AGE between the 69th WEEK and the start of the 70th, REMAINS and must be completed before the 70th Week of Daniel can Begin. THEREFORE, THE GOSPEL HAS TO BE PREACHED IN ALL THE WORLD, and ONLY when the Last Person who is part of the Church Age Saints accepts Jesus as LORD, meaning MASTER; will WE be called out of here to go to Wedding of the Lamb in Heaven. That is After ALL THE WARS Prophesied in Verse 26. THEN Comes the New Prince of the Revived Roman Empire, with a plan for a PEACE TREATY (Covenant) for ISRAEL and her Enemies to sign. ISRAEL will build the Third Temple at that time or shortly prior to that Time. IT IS THAT SIGNING OF THE PEACE TREATY (COVENANT) THAT IS THE BEGINNING OF THE 70th WEEK OF DANIEL.
Three and a Half Years LATER, that New Prince of the Revived Roman Empire, BREAKS THAT PEACE TREATY; takes over the TEMPLE, demanding to be worshiped as God, (probably putting his throne in the Holy of Holies), and begins beheading anyone who will NOT bow to him as god, accepting his mark in their hand or forehead, as proof that they bow only to him. The Abomination of Desolation, could be a statue of himself, as some think, but I believe it will be dead beheaded bodies ON THE WING OF THE TEMPLE. WHY? The High Priest always entered the Holy of Holies with a rope tied to one leg, so if he died in there, they could quickly drag him out; because a dead body in the Temple defiles the Temple in the Jewish way of thinking. HOW MUCH MORE WOULD DAILY EXECUTIONS IN OR ON THE TEMPLE CAUSE THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION. That Last 3.5 years on earth will be the bloodiest time in Human History. I believe that Roman Dictator starts WWIII (probably NUKEAR) against all Countries that will not BOW to him as god, he survives as the Victor of WWIII. Then after that, in the final weeks of that so-called Peace Treaty, with all the Armies of the World, then being under the control of Rivived Roman Empire's Prince (the Antichrist), he calls for another war. He convinces the nations of the world to come to Conquer Jerusalem, getting rid of all the rebellious Jews and Christians they find by beheading them, and thereby they can stop Jesus Christ from WANTING to come back. Those final Days are literally described in Zechariah 14 and Rev. 19.
Even after the Temple was Destroyed in 70 A.D., GOD's mission for this GAP AGE between the 69th WEEK and the start of the 70th, REMAINS and must be completed before the 70th Week of Daniel can Begin. THEREFORE, THE GOSPEL HAS TO BE PREACHED IN ALL THE WORLD, and ONLY when the Last Person who is part of the Church Age Saints accepts Jesus as LORD, meaning MASTER; will WE be called out of here to go to Wedding of the Lamb in Heaven. That is After ALL THE WARS Prophesied in Verse 26. THEN Comes the New Prince of the Revived Roman Empire, with a plan for a PEACE TREATY (Covenant) for ISRAEL and her Enemies to sign. ISRAEL will build the Third Temple at that time or shortly prior to that Time. IT IS THAT SIGNING OF THE PEACE TREATY (COVENANT) THAT IS THE BEGINNING OF THE 70th WEEK OF DANIEL.
Three and a Half Years LATER, that New Prince of the Revived Roman Empire, BREAKS THAT PEACE TREATY; takes over the TEMPLE, demanding to be worshiped as God, (probably putting his throne in the Holy of Holies), and begins beheading anyone who will NOT bow to him as god, accepting his mark in their hand or forehead, as proof that they bow only to him. The Abomination of Desolation, could be a statue of himself, as some think, but I believe it will be dead beheaded bodies ON THE WING OF THE TEMPLE. WHY? The High Priest always entered the Holy of Holies with a rope tied to one leg, so if he died in there, they could quickly drag him out; because a dead body in the Temple defiles the Temple in the Jewish way of thinking. HOW MUCH MORE WOULD DAILY EXECUTIONS IN OR ON THE TEMPLE CAUSE THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION. That Last 3.5 years on earth will be the bloodiest time in Human History. I believe that Roman Dictator starts WWIII (probably NUKEAR) against all Countries that will not BOW to him as god, he survives as the Victor of WWIII. Then after that, in the final weeks of that so-called Peace Treaty, with all the Armies of the World, then being under the control of Rivived Roman Empire's Prince (the Antichrist), he calls for another war. He convinces the nations of the world to come to Conquer Jerusalem, getting rid of all the rebellious Jews and Christians they find by beheading them, and thereby they can stop Jesus Christ from WANTING to come back. Those final Days are literally described in Zechariah 14 and Rev. 19.
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