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Unfortunately, your two cents worth is worthless. Just because the word "rapture" is not in the Bible does not mean that the Resurrection/Rapture is not a Bible doctrine. If you prefer "caught up together with Christ", that's fine, but "Rapture" is simply shorthand for that truth.
Why would the Lord connect the Rapture to the "Tribulation of Satan" (which I will not even explore)? The Rapture is independent of any Tribulation period, but Christ definitely taught it and you should study John 14:1-3 as well as 1 John 3:1-3.
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Rapture is not about the Resurrection either.
The Resurrection into eternal life ; and the change that takes place at the return of Christ, takes place ONLY at the return of Christ. ( Not counting those who have died on as Christians . )
Rapture however dose not teach what the bible teaches .
Instead claims this happens before Christ even gets here.
So lets be honest with people. Rapture is not Jesus's teaching. He Never taught it .
Actually, I have been researching that very subject off and on and it seems there is a very good possiblility the 144,000 were Children...I'll not go no further than that for now....
Ahwatukee, Hope you and yours have a blessed week ahead of you.
Blade
First off Everyone knows full well there is only ONE way to enter into Heaven, and that is through the belief of Jesus Christ. Most Christian would adamantly agree with that statement. ONLY ONE WAY. Jesus Himself said that HE is the ONLY WAY. So everyone agrees with that.
HOWEVER when you ask about children, then all of a sudden there is ANOTHER way. That children automatically go to Heaven, which thing is NOT written. Christians are fast to agree there is ONLY ONE Way and that is the belief in Jesus Christ, but bring up children and then there seems to be another way to get to Heaven. So there is NOT only ONE way.
i assure you Scriptures are TRUE. and there is only ONE WAY to get to Heaven and that is belief in Jesus Christ. There is NO other way, not even dying as a child.
The Rapture happens during the 7 year Tribulation Period. There are 7 seals that are opened, then there are 7 Trumpets that are blown, then there are 7 vials that our poured out. It is at the 7th Trumpet that the Rapture will happen. this is the moment that Jesus becomes king over all the nations of the Earth, and He will reign over all the inhabitants of the Earth with a rod of iron. When Jesus Gets here at the 7th Trumpet, He gathers up all those whose names are written in the Book of Life and have not been blotted out. So the Church is taken up to be with Him forever (in the Holy City).
Men, women, and children are left behind. The children are NOT taken up at the Rapture, they are all virgins, for none of them have been defiled by women, they do not know who Jesus is, their names are NOT written in the Book of Life, because they have never believed in the Son of God, Jesus Christ.
144,000 of these children will be sealed by God. Jesus has chosen them, they are His first fruits redeemed from the Earth, they are protected by us Saints during the next 3 1/2 years when all the vials are being poured out upon the Earth. Those who are left behind after the Rapture have to be destroyed, have to be killed, have to die. This is the purpose of the last 7 bowls to wipe mankind off the face of the Earth, Save the 144,000 that will make it through the Tribulation Period.
The 144,000 are children that are not taken up in the Rapture, these are left behind, but they are sealed, that is to say they will be protected from that which is to come after the Rapture. These 144,000 will make it through the Tribulation Period, these will repopulate the Earth during the 1,000 year reign of Christ on Earth. We, the Saints, will reign over the 144,000 and all of their offspring with them.
Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. (please note Isaiah is not going to describe the conditions of the time during the New Heaven and New Earth)
Isa 65:18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem (the Holy City) a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
Isa 65:19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem (New Jerusalem), and joy in my people(Saints and the 144,000 children): and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
Isa 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old;(long age is restored like that prior to the flood) but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed. (Specifically referring to the 3 1/2 years After the Rapture and before the 1,000 year Reign when sinners are being destroyed by the 7 vials being poured out)
Isa 65:21 And they (the 144,000) shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they (the 144,000) shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
Isa 65:22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands. (Age is restored to prior flood, people will live a thousand years)
Isa 65:23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them. (they have offspring, so these are humans having sexual relations, these are the 144,000 children that make it out of Tribulation Period, these will have kids)
Isa 65:24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear. (Jesus is not in Heaven, but on Earth with them at this time. The Father, Jesus, Holy Ghost, and us Saints all reside in the New City Jerusalem. We reign over the 144,000 people that make it out the Tribulation Period because they are sealed by God and we protected them)
Isa 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD. (description of the New Heaven and the New Earth)
These are the 144,000, 12,000 from each tribe of Israel. Even though you do not know what tribe your descendants come from, God keeps Good Records and He knows. When the Saints are taken up. 144,000 children will have been chosen to be the firstfruits of Christ which He will redeem from the Earth. And we Saints will rule over them with Jesus for a thousand and 3 1/2 years.
So to answer your question. The 144,000 are children that were not Raptured, but Sealed and protected to be redeemed from the Tribulation Period to be the firstfruits of Jesus Christ.
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DiscipleDave
Greetings OtherWay210,
Jesus did indeed teach the about the gathering of the church (rapture), as can be seen from the following:
"For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep."
According to Paul, he received the information regarding the dead being raised and the living being changed and caught up directly from the Lord. Paul also proclaimed that the changing of the living into their immortal bodies and glorified bodies and being caught up as a mystery, i.e. something that had not yet been revealed.
"Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality.
The resurrection of the dead and the living being changed will be one event. When the Lord appears, the dead in Christ from the on-set of the church will rise first in their immortal and glorified bodies. Immediately after that, those in Christ who are still alive will be changed into their immortal and glorified bodies and will be caught up with those who will have just resurrected. At that time the entire church from beginning to end will be meet the Lord in the air where according to the promise in John 14:1-3, He will take us all back to the Father's house to those places that he went to prepare for us in heaven, that where He is we may be also.
The word "rapture" is simply the Latin version of the Greek "Harpazo" which means to be snatched up, force suddenly exercised, a catching away.
Everything that we read in the Bible is the word of the Lord, so why would you say that Jesus never taught this when He is the One who gave it to Paul?
It is also important to understand that the Lord's appearing to gather the church is a separate event from when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age. When the church is gathered the Lord does not return to the earth, but meets the church in the air and returns to the Father's house (heaven). In opposition, after God's wrath has been poured out upon the earth the Lord will physically return to the earth to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom. In the first event the church is going to heaven and at the second coming we are returning to the earth with the Lord.
They are two different events! This teaching is being honest with people.
It should be ever Christians blessed hope!
Jesus did indeed teach the about the gathering of the church (rapture), as can be seen from the following:
"For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep."
According to Paul, he received the information regarding the dead being raised and the living being changed and caught up directly from the Lord. Paul also proclaimed that the changing of the living into their immortal bodies and glorified bodies and being caught up as a mystery, i.e. something that had not yet been revealed.
"Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality.
The resurrection of the dead and the living being changed will be one event. When the Lord appears, the dead in Christ from the on-set of the church will rise first in their immortal and glorified bodies. Immediately after that, those in Christ who are still alive will be changed into their immortal and glorified bodies and will be caught up with those who will have just resurrected. At that time the entire church from beginning to end will be meet the Lord in the air where according to the promise in John 14:1-3, He will take us all back to the Father's house to those places that he went to prepare for us in heaven, that where He is we may be also.
The word "rapture" is simply the Latin version of the Greek "Harpazo" which means to be snatched up, force suddenly exercised, a catching away.
Everything that we read in the Bible is the word of the Lord, so why would you say that Jesus never taught this when He is the One who gave it to Paul?
It is also important to understand that the Lord's appearing to gather the church is a separate event from when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age. When the church is gathered the Lord does not return to the earth, but meets the church in the air and returns to the Father's house (heaven). In opposition, after God's wrath has been poured out upon the earth the Lord will physically return to the earth to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom. In the first event the church is going to heaven and at the second coming we are returning to the earth with the Lord.
They are two different events! This teaching is being honest with people.
It should be ever Christians blessed hope!
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lol, it should be, that is exactly what i have said over and over again.
God did not tell me things to inform me, but told me things to inform everyone that i can. So now you know what God told me concerning the topic we are discussing. God told me many things, which He told me to tell you.
Yes, You do understand that a few people who says God spoke with them, He actually did.
Amo 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
So if satan knows in the last days there will be TRUE prophets from God showing up in the world and he can't get rid of them, what is his next best strategy? Get people to not believe them when they do show up, hence he talks to people saying he is God and cult leaders spring up. But just because many cult leaders spring up teaching things CONTRARY to Scriptures (ie, kill yourself, or kill others, or have sex with children, or free sex, or what have you that cult leaders do) is not going to change the message from REAL prophets who God has indeed spoke to concerning what is going to happen in the future. Try the Spirits. if i teach something contrary to Scriptures then i am false.
Yes they say God told them to do something that is contrary to Scriptures, that is what makes them false. But if someone comes along saying God told them something and it is not contrary to Scriptures, then would it not behoove you to listen? Or are you one of those who has fallen for the lie satan has spread that prophets no longer exist?
lol. Yes i really do understand this all to well. Try saying to people in real life and not in a chatroom.
Know you not that i understand by saying to this generation that God told me "____________" that i will be mocked, made fun of, belittled, banned, etc.... But if i say otherwise then i am a liar. And we all know that NO LIAR will enter into Heaven (Rev 21:8)
So then if i reveal something God told me, and inevitably somebody asks, where did you get that at, or where did you read that in Scriptures, or How do you know that? What am i to say? Do i tell them the Truth and say God told me, and look crazy? Get made fun of? mocked? ignored? and all that follows one claiming that God talked to them. So i tell the TRUTH and give credit where it is deserved. IF i know something and it came from God, and will give God the credit for that knowledge and not my own self. Strange though. If i were to lie and say it is from me, people would be more apt to believe it, but say the TRUTH that it is from God and watch the people start picking up stones. But i am not a liar, therefore if i say something that God told me, then i will tell the TRUTH that it came from God.
i also understand Scriptures are quite clear on the matter if someone says they are speaking for God and he did not, that person will die, and not only that person will die but his family as well. So then if i say something is from God and it is not from Him, then i am Scripturally putting myself and my family in the crosshairs of God. But if i am telling the TRUTH, then i am putting nobody in danger, myself or my family.
Anybody who claims to have heard from God and teaches ANYTHING contrary to Scriptures could be a Cult Leader.
Anybody who claims to have heard from God and teaches NOTHING contrary to Scriptures it would behoove this generation to listen to that person, would it not?
NO!!! i don't think it. i KNOW it.
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DiscipleDave
God did not tell me things to inform me, but told me things to inform everyone that i can. So now you know what God told me concerning the topic we are discussing. God told me many things, which He told me to tell you.
Yes, You do understand that a few people who says God spoke with them, He actually did.
Amo 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
So if satan knows in the last days there will be TRUE prophets from God showing up in the world and he can't get rid of them, what is his next best strategy? Get people to not believe them when they do show up, hence he talks to people saying he is God and cult leaders spring up. But just because many cult leaders spring up teaching things CONTRARY to Scriptures (ie, kill yourself, or kill others, or have sex with children, or free sex, or what have you that cult leaders do) is not going to change the message from REAL prophets who God has indeed spoke to concerning what is going to happen in the future. Try the Spirits. if i teach something contrary to Scriptures then i am false.
Yes they say God told them to do something that is contrary to Scriptures, that is what makes them false. But if someone comes along saying God told them something and it is not contrary to Scriptures, then would it not behoove you to listen? Or are you one of those who has fallen for the lie satan has spread that prophets no longer exist?
lol. Yes i really do understand this all to well. Try saying to people in real life and not in a chatroom.
Know you not that i understand by saying to this generation that God told me "____________" that i will be mocked, made fun of, belittled, banned, etc.... But if i say otherwise then i am a liar. And we all know that NO LIAR will enter into Heaven (Rev 21:8)
So then if i reveal something God told me, and inevitably somebody asks, where did you get that at, or where did you read that in Scriptures, or How do you know that? What am i to say? Do i tell them the Truth and say God told me, and look crazy? Get made fun of? mocked? ignored? and all that follows one claiming that God talked to them. So i tell the TRUTH and give credit where it is deserved. IF i know something and it came from God, and will give God the credit for that knowledge and not my own self. Strange though. If i were to lie and say it is from me, people would be more apt to believe it, but say the TRUTH that it is from God and watch the people start picking up stones. But i am not a liar, therefore if i say something that God told me, then i will tell the TRUTH that it came from God.
i also understand Scriptures are quite clear on the matter if someone says they are speaking for God and he did not, that person will die, and not only that person will die but his family as well. So then if i say something is from God and it is not from Him, then i am Scripturally putting myself and my family in the crosshairs of God. But if i am telling the TRUTH, then i am putting nobody in danger, myself or my family.
Anybody who claims to have heard from God and teaches ANYTHING contrary to Scriptures could be a Cult Leader.
Anybody who claims to have heard from God and teaches NOTHING contrary to Scriptures it would behoove this generation to listen to that person, would it not?
NO!!! i don't think it. i KNOW it.
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
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While I agree that the only way to eternal life is belief in Jesus Christ, but I must add that is true only for those who have the mental capacity to understand.
A child or an adult without that mental capacity to understand they are a sinner and need Jesus will never be judged guilty
by a righteous God.
A child or an adult without that mental capacity to understand they are a sinner and need Jesus will never be judged guilty
by a righteous God.
Jesus has gone to Heaven to prepare a place for us, that place is the Holy City Jerusalem. When Jesus comes to get the Church He will be bringing that place that He has prepared for us the Holy City Jerusalem, to us. Zech 14 describes His second coming. His first coming was in the flesh two thousand years ago. His second coming is when He comes to the Earth to reign over it for a thousand years. When Christ Raptures the Church, we go to be with Him in the AIR, where the New City Jerusalem is, we reside in the Holy City with Jesus in our mansions that have been prepared for us on 12 different floors, depending on what Tribe your descendants come from.
Jesus comes Mid -Trib. There are many verses that contradict pre-trib. There are many verses that contradict post-trib. ONLY mid Trib does not contradict any verse in Scriptures, The Church will go through some of the Tribulation Period but not all of it. When Jesus comes to gather up the Church, He is here to stay, He is here to be King of Kings, He is here to reign over all the nations with a rod of iron, people at this time will turn their weapons into farming tools, its at this time that Jesus establishes the Feast of Tabernacles for the entire World and if a nation does not come up to worhip Him Jesus will cause it not to rain for that nation.
Tribulation starts, around 3 1/2 years later Christ Returns, Raptures the Church, seals the 144,000 children, the kingdoms of the world become the kingdoms of Jesus Christ (7th Trumpet) At the first all nations attack the Holy City, but after they all are destroyed miserably, the remaining people will serve Jesus. But all the remaining people will be killed, die, or what have you due to the 7 vials that are poured out to destroy wicked mankind off the Earth, till only the 144,000 humans remain, all children at this time.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout(This most certainly indicates Jesus coming to the Earth a second time), with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God (the 7th Trumpet): and the dead in Christ shall rise first
Those who are sleeping in Christ shall rise from the dead, because they have not gone anywhere, they sleep and wait for His Return)
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (Then the living Christians will be taken up to be with Jesus in our atmosphere, DOES NOT SAY HEAVEN, Jesus when He comes for the Church at his second coming, coming down from Heaven, will be bringing the Holy City Jerusalem with Him, it will be in the clouds, in the air, and we will reside with Him forever in the Air with Him, in the Holy New Jerusalem. Nowhere does it say He goes back to Heaven after getting the Church, that is a false doctrine that teaches that. When Jesus Christ comes to get His Church, He is also coming to Reign over all the Kingdoms of the Earth, to be King of all the kings of the Earth, to rule with a rod of iron.
All that i say above, there is not one verse that teaches contrary. What i say above is what God told me is going to happen, and NOTHING in all of Scriptures teaches otherwise.
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
Jesus comes Mid -Trib. There are many verses that contradict pre-trib. There are many verses that contradict post-trib. ONLY mid Trib does not contradict any verse in Scriptures, The Church will go through some of the Tribulation Period but not all of it. When Jesus comes to gather up the Church, He is here to stay, He is here to be King of Kings, He is here to reign over all the nations with a rod of iron, people at this time will turn their weapons into farming tools, its at this time that Jesus establishes the Feast of Tabernacles for the entire World and if a nation does not come up to worhip Him Jesus will cause it not to rain for that nation.
Tribulation starts, around 3 1/2 years later Christ Returns, Raptures the Church, seals the 144,000 children, the kingdoms of the world become the kingdoms of Jesus Christ (7th Trumpet) At the first all nations attack the Holy City, but after they all are destroyed miserably, the remaining people will serve Jesus. But all the remaining people will be killed, die, or what have you due to the 7 vials that are poured out to destroy wicked mankind off the Earth, till only the 144,000 humans remain, all children at this time.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout(This most certainly indicates Jesus coming to the Earth a second time), with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God (the 7th Trumpet): and the dead in Christ shall rise first
Those who are sleeping in Christ shall rise from the dead, because they have not gone anywhere, they sleep and wait for His Return) 1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (Then the living Christians will be taken up to be with Jesus in our atmosphere, DOES NOT SAY HEAVEN, Jesus when He comes for the Church at his second coming, coming down from Heaven, will be bringing the Holy City Jerusalem with Him, it will be in the clouds, in the air, and we will reside with Him forever in the Air with Him, in the Holy New Jerusalem. Nowhere does it say He goes back to Heaven after getting the Church, that is a false doctrine that teaches that. When Jesus Christ comes to get His Church, He is also coming to Reign over all the Kingdoms of the Earth, to be King of all the kings of the Earth, to rule with a rod of iron.
All that i say above, there is not one verse that teaches contrary. What i say above is what God told me is going to happen, and NOTHING in all of Scriptures teaches otherwise.
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DiscipleDave
Indeed there are only two comings of Jesus. At the rapture (1Th 4) Jesus does not return to earth. The Church ascends to meet Him in the air, without his ever coming to Earth. In Hebrew thought, the atmosphere is part of the heavens; so Jesus never leaves heaven at the time of the rapture.
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DiscipleDave
Sorry DiscipleDave, but your claim that that Jesus is bringing the New Jerusalem to us is not in keeping with the scripture, but is implied:
Regarding this, Jesus says in my Father's house are many dwelling place and that he is going to prepare a place for us, which would be in the Father's house (heaven). Then he says that he says that he is coming back to get us to take us to those dwelling places that where he is we may be also. In further support of that he is coming to take us back to the Father's house in heaven he says to his disciples "Where I am going, you cannot follow now, but you will follow later." Therefore, the scripture demonstrates that Jesus is coming back to get us and take us to where he is, which is the Father's house.
This is exactly what takes place between a bride and the bridegroom. The bridegroom leaves the bride and goes to his Father's house and prepares a place for her, where the bride always has to be ready for when the bridegroom returns. When he returns he takes his bride back to the Father's house to the place he prepared for her.
You have implied what is not written. With this assumption, it is no wonder you have the new Jerusalem coming down to this current heaven and earth during the middle of the seven year period.
The Lord is coming to take us to those places that he has prepared for us, not bringing us and those dwelling places back. The dwelling places are in heaven and that is where the Lord is coming to take us to where we will remain until the Lord returns to the earth to end the age, with the church following behind him.
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Question? So this event coincides with a trumpet being sounded correct? So a Trumpet will sound and the dead rise from the Graves to be with Jesus, is that not what the above verse says? So tell me, what is the significance of Scriptures adding the phrase "For the trumpet will sound" And how does this reference cross referrence with other Scriptures? Thanks for answering these question for me Ahwatukee.
All this is True. Question? All of this happens at the sounding of a Trumpet, correct? So a Trumpet sounds then all this happens, is that correct?
Why does it say clouds and Air? Why didn't it say Heaven? So Jesus comes down to the Earth and gets the Church and we are with Him forever in the air, doesn't say Heaven. So then why do people assume we go back to Heaven during this time, when Scriptures teaches we will be with Him forever in the air, and does not say forever in Heaven which this generation likes to teach. Can you answer that. Why did not say we will be with Him forever in the Air, in the clouds, and not in Heaven?
This is True, but are you not assuming the Fathers House remains in Heaven at this time? Jesus said He goes to prepare a place for us and He is going to return. Revelations informs us that the New City Jerusalem comes down to the Earth, and that the Father is in it. So then according to Scriptures the Father's house comes down to the Earth. You see what you don't understand, is that when Jesus comes back the second time, He comes back with the place that He has prepared for us to live in, that is the New City Jerusalem The Father is with Him in the city. The Saints live with Him in the air, in the clouds because the Holy New City Jerusalem is in the Air, in the clouds, that is where we live with the Father and Jesus.
Surely you know the Holy New Jerusalem is coming down out of Heaven to the Earth with the Father in it. The problem that you have is your timing of this event. You think it happens at the end of the 1,000 years. Your interpretation are incorrect. The Holy City comes down with Jesus Christ at the time of the Rapture. Scriptures does not say we go back with Him to Heaven, because that would be a lie, we do indeed live with Him in the Holy City here on Earth, in the Sky, in the clouds because that city is so tall.
This is absolutely True. The Word of the Lord says He comes and raptures the Church and we are with him forever in the sky, so tell me, whose word is that says we go live with Him forever in Heaven? Who teaches that He comes down a second time Raptures the church and goes back to Heaven, who teaches that? The Word or men?
OK, i understand this is your opinion, Could you possibly reveal any Scriptures that teach that, or even indicates that your opinion is True?
The Church is Raptured and will live forever with Jesus in the Air, in the Father's House. The problem is, you think, for some reason, that He does not bring the Father's House when He Raptures the Church? Even though we have many verses which indicate when the Father's House is here on Earth so are sinners.
Talking about the New City Jerusalem it says:
Rev 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
Did you catch that, the kings of the Earth, NOT the Saints will bring glory and honour to the New City Jerusalem. So then when the New City Jerusalem is on Earth, so are the Kings of that Earth are there at the same time.
Scriptures also teach that the wicked will NOT be able to enter into the Holy City.
Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
Again Scriptures revealing that at the time of the Holy City coming down out of Heaven, that sinners are still present on the Earth. For some reason all the verses which indicate that very thing, seems to be alluding you.
The Holy City Jerusalem with the Father comes down with Jesus Christ at the Rapture. This is not contrary to any Scriptures. You have the Holy City coming down at a time when all the sinners have already been cast into Hell, at a time that no sinners are present, and that thinking is contrary to sound doctrine.
Is this not your opinion? That Christ returns a third time? Something that Scriptures does not teach at all, nor does it even indicate that this is TRUE. Can you reveal even one Scripture that teaches or even implies that Jesus comes a third time? i know you can't do that, because He doesn't. When He comes the second time is when He sets up His Kingdom to Rule the Earth for a thousand years.
Rev_20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
This verse says the Saints will reign with Him a thousand years. Where?
Rev_5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
So then according to this verse we reign with Him ON EARTH. So then we reign with Jesus ON Earth for a thousand years.
Rev_11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
This verse teaches that Jesus shall reign at the 7th Trumpet. That at the sounding of the 7th Trumpet all the kingdoms of the world will belong to Him, and He shall reign over them.
So Scriptures teach we will reign with Him ON EARTH for a thousand Years, and that starts at the 7th Trumpet. Do you not believe Scriptures? Are you so unbending that you can't change your belief to fit with what Scriptures teach? Or will you continue to interpret Scriptures to fit into your own belief?
Tell me if you can, i imagine you will not. Who do we reign over for a thousand years on Earth? Have you studied to figure that out yet? It says we reign with Jesus for a thousand years on Earth, so tell me, WHO are they that we reign over with Jesus?
Where does Scriptures teach that at the first event the gathering of the Church does back to HEAVEN? Scriptures does not teach that, nor does it even imply that. That is what YOU teach, not scriptures. Scriptures teach we are taken up with Jesus to be with Him forever in the Air.
1Th_4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Where do you get Heaven? How can you interpret this verse to even mean Heaven, when it plainly and clearly says Air. Maybe because you do not understand the Truth. Nothing in the above verse indicates Jesus Returns back to Heaven after gathering up the Church, that is something men teach, NOT Scriptures.
And as to your opinion about His coming a third time with the Church is also NOT Scriptural. When Christ gathers up the Church to be with Him, the Saints are with Him. As soon as He gathers the first dead sleeping spirit up to Him, the Saints are with Him. Jesus and the Saints continue to collect the dead Saints first. Then Jesus and all the dead Saints with their New Glorfied bodies will be with Jesus gathering up the living Saints to be with all of them. It is written when we are Raptured we will be with Jesus where ever He is. So when the dead rise and go to be with Jesus and Jesus is Travelling around the world collecting the sleeping souls, where do you think all the Saints will be at? The Saints will be with Jesus. When the living see Jesus coming from the east, the Living will see Jesus coming with all the Saints with Him, because when the Saints are raised they will be where Jesus is, and at that moment Jesus is going around the world collecting the Saints, first the sleeping ones, then the living ones. So when the Living seeing Jesus coming from the East, Jesus will have all the once sleeping Saints with Him, just life Scriptures teach. Your teaching that He goes back to Heaven after the Rapture is a false doctrine, NOT Scriptural. Your teaching that He comes back a third time is a false doctrine, because that is NOT Scriptural. You seem to teach many things as being Scriptural, which are in no way what Scriptures teach. You have mixed so much of your own interpretation into the Word that you are blinded to the Truth. And instead of changing your belief to line up with ALL verses in Scriptures, you change Scriptures to line up with your belief.
Honest with people, lol, according to who? Scriptures? No. You, yes that is it. YOU teach they are two different events. Scriptures does not teach that. If then you think they do, and you think i am wrong, then by all means show the relevant Scriptures that indicates they are two different events. Because i have read the Bible over 80 times front to back, and i have never not once read anywhere at all that they are two different events. What does that mean? it means it is in your mind that that they are two different events, your opinion. YOUR interpretation that they are two different events.
i am still waiting for you to answer the questions that i asked you on a previous post, which i think by answering should make you aware that what you believe can't be True, because it is not Scriptural. i will ask them again on the next post that i post.
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DiscipleDave
Who do you think gathers the Church? So Jesus comes down from Heaven to Gather the Church then goes back to Heaven and comes back again, which is what YOU call the second coming. Is that what you are trying to teach? That Jesus coming back the THIRD time is actually the second coming? Seriously? The 2nd coming of Christ is when He comes to the Earth the second time, this second time is when He gathers up the Church. Where in all of Scriptures does it teach that Christ comes a third time? It doesn't, that is what YOU teach, based on your false interpretations of the Word of God, which interpretations does not belong to men, but is for God to reveal to whom God will reveal them to. lol. According to you the second coming of Jesus Christ is the third time He comes to Earth. Clearly you do not understand the TRUTH, and would rather rely on YOUR own interpretations then to believe someone who says God told them exactly what is going to happen. Sad indeed. Believe your own interpretation over what God told me is going to happen. Sad.
Now lets look at what your order of event are and see if they line up with Scriptures.
Question: During the 1000 year Reign of Christ, who does Christ and the Saints reign over? The Saints Reign with Jesus. So don't say Jesus reigns over the Saints. So You have Jesus Gathering up the Church/Rapture, so then all the Saints are gone. And then you have the 7 year Tribulation period next, which gets rid of ALL the wicked who were not taken up with Christ. Then you have the 1000 year reign of Christ, if the Good are Raptured and the wicked are killed in the 7 year Tribulation Period, who does Christ and the Saints reign over?
Also, Do you not believe Scriptures which teach that we reign with Christ ON EARTH?
Jer_23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
This verse prophesies that Jesus will be King that reigns and prospers, and He shall execute Judgement and justice IN THE EARTH. Tell me when according to YOUR order of events does this prophesy take place? At the Rapture, according to you He gathers up the Church then goes back to Heaven, so it can't be there. This prophesy does not fit into YOUR order at the time of the 1000 year reign where you have it either. Because where you have it, the Good and the bad are all gone, correct. So How can Jesus execute Judgment if there is NOBODY to judge? So then this prophesy is ONLY fulfilled when Jesus is ON the Earth, reigning over people who are in need of Judgements. Where does that fit into YOUR order of events, please tell.
Rev_5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
Rev_20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
We, the Saints shall reign over WHO, on the Earth, for a thousand years? Do you know this, or is your interpretations flawed?
You see, you teach that Christ comes to the Earth and Raptures the Church and then goes back to Heaven. Scriptures does not teach that ANYWHERE at all, that is what YOU interpret and is NOT what Scriptures teach. Scriptures teach when Christ comes back and gathers up the Saints we will then at that time reign with Him ON THE EARTH for a thousand years. That is what Scriptures teach, and Scriptures is contrary to what you teach. Scriptures says we reign with Christ ON EARTH for a thousand years. Again Who do we reign over?
Can't you see Scriptures teach contrary to your order of events above?
Wait there are tons of Scriptures which proves YOUR order of events can't possibly be correct. Consider the following verse. You have the Holy City coming down after the Rapture, correct? Yes you do. You have the Holy City coming down after the 1000 year reign, correct? Yes you do. You have the Holy City coming down after the Great White Throne Judgment, correct? Yes you do. Then please explain these verses:
Rev_20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
This camp of the SAINTS is ON EARTH, which is to say a place where the SAINTS are at. So they compassed the camp of the SAINTS And the beloved City? tell me what city is called the beloved City? That is the Holy City of God. The New Jerusalem
Rev_21:2 And I John saw the Holy City, New Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev_22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the Holy City, and from the things which are written in this book.
Heb_11:10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
Heb_11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
Heb_12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb_13:14 For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.
Joh_14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. (And where will He be? IN the Beloved City with the Saints reigning over those that are on the Earth.)
Rev_20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the Beloved City: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Now according to YOUR order of events the Holy city comes down AFTER the 7 year Tribulation Period where all the wicked are destroyed. AFTER the Great White Throne Judgement where satan and demons and all his followers are judged and cast into Hell. So then tell me WHO ARE THEY that are devoured for coming against the HOLY CITY?
Also this verse is contrary to the Holy City coming down in the end:
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the Holy City, New Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with MEN, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Notice Scriptures plainly teaches that the Holy City comes down out of Heaven, and that Jesus is going to be the God of these MEN. Notice it did not say Saints, but clearly says men. Other Scriptures from the Major Prophets also teach that too.
Here is yet more verses which is contrary to YOUR order of events.
You say Christ comes and get the Church, then goes back to Heaven, then He comes back to Earth with the New Jerusalem AFTER all the wicked people are gone, correct? After 7 year Tribulation, After the 1,000 years, AFTER the Great White Throne. So tell me, where does this prophecy fit into YOUR order of events?
Psa 72:7 In his days shall the righteous flourish; and abundance of peace so long as the moon endureth. He shall have dominion also from sea to sea, and from the river unto the ends of the earth. They that dwell in the wilderness shall bow before him; and his enemies shall lick the dust. The kings of Tarshish and of the isles shall bring presents: the kings of Sheba and Seba shall offer gifts. Yea, ALL KINGS shall fall down before him: all nations shall serve him.
Tell me, where do you placed this event in YOUR ORDER? Do you believe Scriptures? These verses plainly teaches that ALL KINGS, and ALL NATIONS will serve Jesus Christ. So tell me where does that fit into YOUR ORDER of events? If ALL KINGS and ALL NATIONS will bow down to Jesus and serve Him, Who are these people? They are NOT Saints they are already taken up with Jesus Christ. So when, according to you, will this prophesy be fulfilled? When will Jesus be ON EARTH right along with those who are NOT Saints, and All the Kings of the Earth will fall down and worship Him, and ALL nations shall serve Him. When is that happen according to YOUR ORDER of events?
Can you explain this verse:
Zec_14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
When is this prophesy going to Happen according to YOUR ORDER of events? This verse plainly teaches that these wicked and evil nations that come against Jerusalem (Which i know to be the Holy City) will come up to worship Jesus from year to year. Really, Year to Year these wicked people who attacked Jerusalem will come up to WORSHIP JESUS, really? When does this happen according to YOUR ORDER of events? When is Jesus here on the EARTH reigning, where people come up year to year to worship Him? Can you explain that?
The Lord even says if they (these wicked people) do not come up year to year to worship Him, that He will cause it not to rain in their lands.
Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
So when, according to YOUR ORDER of events will Jesus force people to come and worship Him every Year, or He will not let it rain on their crops and the such? When does that happen according to YOUR interpretations? i don't think you can, because you do not understand the TRUTH which God has told me, and what He has told me lines up with ALL OF SCRIPTURES.
Can you place this prophesy someplace in YOUR ORDER of events that you give, please tell me where this prophesy fits?
Mic 4:1 But in the last days (So we are talking about what is yet to come) it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.
What is your interpretation concerning the House of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains? And what is your interpretation that when this does happen, PEOPLE shall flow unto it? lets continue:
Mic 4:2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the HOUSE of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
So then in the last days this event will happen. That many nations will come to the HOUSE of God, and Jesus will teach PEOPLE the word of the Lord from Jerusalem (NEW) When does this happen? lets continue:
Mic 4:3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
This verse plainly and clearly teaches that JESUS is going to rebuke strong nations afar off. Jesus is also going to cause Wars to STOP, and there will be no more WARS nations against nations, Why? Because Jesus is here at that time, is why.
i have showed you but a few verses which plainly teach that Christ is coming to the Earth to RULE over all the Kingdoms of this planet. Kings will bow down to Him, Nations will serve Him. PEOPLE from all over the World will come up year to year to participate in the Feast of Tabernacles, if they don't come up to the HOLY CITY, Jesus will cause it not to rain for those nations that will not come up to Him. When Christ comes back to the Earth the second time, HE will be coming in the New City Jerusalem and when He gets here He will travel around the planet gathering up the True Saints, and the Saints who were first taken up by Him, will travel with Him around the world gathering up all the Saints with Him. Jesus and the Saints will all live in the Holy City, where each and every Saint will have their own Mansion. Jesus and us Saints will reign over all the inhabitants of the Earth, all Kings and all nations will come up to Our City year to year. Howbeit when it first appears and people vanish all over the planet, all nations will rise against the Holy City and try to attack it, they all will die miserably, those who are left and did not go to attack the Holy City will be those who we reign over for a short time.
YOUR ORDER of events does not line up with Scriptures, and if you can't see that, then you are Truly blind, and desire to remain blind, because you refuse to hear the Words of God who told me what is going to happen. i say God told me, but you do not believe. Whose fault is that if you do not believe that God told me these things.
You say and teach that the New City Jerusalem comes at the end, when Saints have all been Raptured, and all the wicked are Judged during the Great White Throne and cast into Hell. Then AFTER all this the Holy City comes down. This teaching is contrary to MANY Scriptures, here is but another that just came to me off the top of my head:
Rev_21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it (The Holy City Jerusalem): and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
Did you catch that? KINGS of the Earth are still here, they are NOT Saints, they are not cast into Hell yet, but they bring their glory and honour into the New Jerusalem. Know you not that the entire Chapter of Revelation 21 is talking specifically about the NEW JERUSALEM during the New Heaven and the New Earth? Verse 24 says the kings are still here during that time, can you fit that into your interpretation of YOUR ORDER of events, or is that something you will ignore because it does not fit into YOUR doctrine?
i have told you the TRUTH, and all liars shall burn in the lake of fire and brimstone (Rev 21:8) What then? You think i am lying when i say God told me these things? Would that not make me a LIAR if i say God told me and He did not tell me? Let me burn in hell for all eternity if i am lying. Is it not written to try the spirits to see if they are TRUE or not? And how do you try the Spirits? By the Word of God is how. So then go to the Word of God and try to prove something that i have said above is unscriptural. But i already know this generation, they will not go to the Word of God to try to prove something above is unscriptural, they will not do anything at all because it is contrary to what they THINK is the Truth, based on teachings from men, and from their own interpretations, which thing is not for man, but for God, and will dismiss what i say above, NOT because it is contrary to any Scripture, but contrary to the false doctrine that they call truth.
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DiscipleDave
Now lets look at what your order of event are and see if they line up with Scriptures.
Question: During the 1000 year Reign of Christ, who does Christ and the Saints reign over? The Saints Reign with Jesus. So don't say Jesus reigns over the Saints. So You have Jesus Gathering up the Church/Rapture, so then all the Saints are gone. And then you have the 7 year Tribulation period next, which gets rid of ALL the wicked who were not taken up with Christ. Then you have the 1000 year reign of Christ, if the Good are Raptured and the wicked are killed in the 7 year Tribulation Period, who does Christ and the Saints reign over?
Also, Do you not believe Scriptures which teach that we reign with Christ ON EARTH?
Jer_23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
This verse prophesies that Jesus will be King that reigns and prospers, and He shall execute Judgement and justice IN THE EARTH. Tell me when according to YOUR order of events does this prophesy take place? At the Rapture, according to you He gathers up the Church then goes back to Heaven, so it can't be there. This prophesy does not fit into YOUR order at the time of the 1000 year reign where you have it either. Because where you have it, the Good and the bad are all gone, correct. So How can Jesus execute Judgment if there is NOBODY to judge? So then this prophesy is ONLY fulfilled when Jesus is ON the Earth, reigning over people who are in need of Judgements. Where does that fit into YOUR order of events, please tell.
Rev_5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
Rev_20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
We, the Saints shall reign over WHO, on the Earth, for a thousand years? Do you know this, or is your interpretations flawed?
You see, you teach that Christ comes to the Earth and Raptures the Church and then goes back to Heaven. Scriptures does not teach that ANYWHERE at all, that is what YOU interpret and is NOT what Scriptures teach. Scriptures teach when Christ comes back and gathers up the Saints we will then at that time reign with Him ON THE EARTH for a thousand years. That is what Scriptures teach, and Scriptures is contrary to what you teach. Scriptures says we reign with Christ ON EARTH for a thousand years. Again Who do we reign over?
Can't you see Scriptures teach contrary to your order of events above?
Wait there are tons of Scriptures which proves YOUR order of events can't possibly be correct. Consider the following verse. You have the Holy City coming down after the Rapture, correct? Yes you do. You have the Holy City coming down after the 1000 year reign, correct? Yes you do. You have the Holy City coming down after the Great White Throne Judgment, correct? Yes you do. Then please explain these verses:
Rev_20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
This camp of the SAINTS is ON EARTH, which is to say a place where the SAINTS are at. So they compassed the camp of the SAINTS And the beloved City? tell me what city is called the beloved City? That is the Holy City of God. The New Jerusalem
Rev_21:2 And I John saw the Holy City, New Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev_22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the Holy City, and from the things which are written in this book.
Heb_11:10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
Heb_11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
Heb_12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb_13:14 For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.
Joh_14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. (And where will He be? IN the Beloved City with the Saints reigning over those that are on the Earth.)
Rev_20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the Beloved City: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Now according to YOUR order of events the Holy city comes down AFTER the 7 year Tribulation Period where all the wicked are destroyed. AFTER the Great White Throne Judgement where satan and demons and all his followers are judged and cast into Hell. So then tell me WHO ARE THEY that are devoured for coming against the HOLY CITY?
Also this verse is contrary to the Holy City coming down in the end:
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the Holy City, New Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with MEN, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Notice Scriptures plainly teaches that the Holy City comes down out of Heaven, and that Jesus is going to be the God of these MEN. Notice it did not say Saints, but clearly says men. Other Scriptures from the Major Prophets also teach that too.
Here is yet more verses which is contrary to YOUR order of events.
You say Christ comes and get the Church, then goes back to Heaven, then He comes back to Earth with the New Jerusalem AFTER all the wicked people are gone, correct? After 7 year Tribulation, After the 1,000 years, AFTER the Great White Throne. So tell me, where does this prophecy fit into YOUR order of events?
Psa 72:7 In his days shall the righteous flourish; and abundance of peace so long as the moon endureth. He shall have dominion also from sea to sea, and from the river unto the ends of the earth. They that dwell in the wilderness shall bow before him; and his enemies shall lick the dust. The kings of Tarshish and of the isles shall bring presents: the kings of Sheba and Seba shall offer gifts. Yea, ALL KINGS shall fall down before him: all nations shall serve him.
Tell me, where do you placed this event in YOUR ORDER? Do you believe Scriptures? These verses plainly teaches that ALL KINGS, and ALL NATIONS will serve Jesus Christ. So tell me where does that fit into YOUR ORDER of events? If ALL KINGS and ALL NATIONS will bow down to Jesus and serve Him, Who are these people? They are NOT Saints they are already taken up with Jesus Christ. So when, according to you, will this prophesy be fulfilled? When will Jesus be ON EARTH right along with those who are NOT Saints, and All the Kings of the Earth will fall down and worship Him, and ALL nations shall serve Him. When is that happen according to YOUR ORDER of events?
Can you explain this verse:
Zec_14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
When is this prophesy going to Happen according to YOUR ORDER of events? This verse plainly teaches that these wicked and evil nations that come against Jerusalem (Which i know to be the Holy City) will come up to worship Jesus from year to year. Really, Year to Year these wicked people who attacked Jerusalem will come up to WORSHIP JESUS, really? When does this happen according to YOUR ORDER of events? When is Jesus here on the EARTH reigning, where people come up year to year to worship Him? Can you explain that?
The Lord even says if they (these wicked people) do not come up year to year to worship Him, that He will cause it not to rain in their lands.
Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
So when, according to YOUR ORDER of events will Jesus force people to come and worship Him every Year, or He will not let it rain on their crops and the such? When does that happen according to YOUR interpretations? i don't think you can, because you do not understand the TRUTH which God has told me, and what He has told me lines up with ALL OF SCRIPTURES.
Can you place this prophesy someplace in YOUR ORDER of events that you give, please tell me where this prophesy fits?
Mic 4:1 But in the last days (So we are talking about what is yet to come) it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.
What is your interpretation concerning the House of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains? And what is your interpretation that when this does happen, PEOPLE shall flow unto it? lets continue:
Mic 4:2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the HOUSE of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
So then in the last days this event will happen. That many nations will come to the HOUSE of God, and Jesus will teach PEOPLE the word of the Lord from Jerusalem (NEW) When does this happen? lets continue:
Mic 4:3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
This verse plainly and clearly teaches that JESUS is going to rebuke strong nations afar off. Jesus is also going to cause Wars to STOP, and there will be no more WARS nations against nations, Why? Because Jesus is here at that time, is why.
i have showed you but a few verses which plainly teach that Christ is coming to the Earth to RULE over all the Kingdoms of this planet. Kings will bow down to Him, Nations will serve Him. PEOPLE from all over the World will come up year to year to participate in the Feast of Tabernacles, if they don't come up to the HOLY CITY, Jesus will cause it not to rain for those nations that will not come up to Him. When Christ comes back to the Earth the second time, HE will be coming in the New City Jerusalem and when He gets here He will travel around the planet gathering up the True Saints, and the Saints who were first taken up by Him, will travel with Him around the world gathering up all the Saints with Him. Jesus and the Saints will all live in the Holy City, where each and every Saint will have their own Mansion. Jesus and us Saints will reign over all the inhabitants of the Earth, all Kings and all nations will come up to Our City year to year. Howbeit when it first appears and people vanish all over the planet, all nations will rise against the Holy City and try to attack it, they all will die miserably, those who are left and did not go to attack the Holy City will be those who we reign over for a short time.
YOUR ORDER of events does not line up with Scriptures, and if you can't see that, then you are Truly blind, and desire to remain blind, because you refuse to hear the Words of God who told me what is going to happen. i say God told me, but you do not believe. Whose fault is that if you do not believe that God told me these things.
You say and teach that the New City Jerusalem comes at the end, when Saints have all been Raptured, and all the wicked are Judged during the Great White Throne and cast into Hell. Then AFTER all this the Holy City comes down. This teaching is contrary to MANY Scriptures, here is but another that just came to me off the top of my head:
Rev_21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it (The Holy City Jerusalem): and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
Did you catch that? KINGS of the Earth are still here, they are NOT Saints, they are not cast into Hell yet, but they bring their glory and honour into the New Jerusalem. Know you not that the entire Chapter of Revelation 21 is talking specifically about the NEW JERUSALEM during the New Heaven and the New Earth? Verse 24 says the kings are still here during that time, can you fit that into your interpretation of YOUR ORDER of events, or is that something you will ignore because it does not fit into YOUR doctrine?
i have told you the TRUTH, and all liars shall burn in the lake of fire and brimstone (Rev 21:8) What then? You think i am lying when i say God told me these things? Would that not make me a LIAR if i say God told me and He did not tell me? Let me burn in hell for all eternity if i am lying. Is it not written to try the spirits to see if they are TRUE or not? And how do you try the Spirits? By the Word of God is how. So then go to the Word of God and try to prove something that i have said above is unscriptural. But i already know this generation, they will not go to the Word of God to try to prove something above is unscriptural, they will not do anything at all because it is contrary to what they THINK is the Truth, based on teachings from men, and from their own interpretations, which thing is not for man, but for God, and will dismiss what i say above, NOT because it is contrary to any Scripture, but contrary to the false doctrine that they call truth.
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
Yet you are now saying there is two other ways
Scriptures that teach what you are saying here please? Or is this just your opinion?
So then according to you there are three ways to get to Heaven. 1) Believe in Jesus. 2) be a child. and 3) mentally challenged.
Strange Scriptures quite clearly teaches there is only ONE way. Strange again that the Lord of the universe FORGOT to add this exception above, that children and mentally challenge have automatic tickets to Heaven.
Tell me, if it were True that children go to Heaven. Would it not be a Just thing to kill your child to ensure that they go to Heaven, even though you will not because you kill your child? i mean think about, why let your child grow up to start living in a sinful lifestyle and be doomed to Hell, when you as a parent can ensure that child goes to Heaven if you take that childs life. Do you see how preposterous that logic is?
Nowhere does Scriptures teach that children go to Heaven, or that mentally challenged go to Heaven.
What you do not understand, is the mechanics behind the Spirit that is within each and every one of us. The Spirit that is in you, is immortal, it can't die nor be killed. This is why it is written you will forever be in Hell or Heaven for all eternity. This is why satan is not killed, because he too is immortal. God made the Angels and Spirits in Heaven IMMORTAL.
There is ONLY one day that will determine who is going to Heaven and who is going to hell. That day is the Second coming of Jesus Christ, that day is when the Book of Life is opened and if your name is written in it and it has not been blotted out, then you are Heaven bound for eternity. But if your name is not written in the Book of Life on that particular Day, then you are Hell bound for all eternity. So then all the children that dies at Bethlehem, their spirits that was in each of those children is neither in Heaven nor in Hell, because That Day of opening the Book of Life has not yet come.
This is why the following is written:
1Th_4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
So just because someone dies and they are not Christian does not mean they are condemned. What? Are all the Indians doomed to Hell for all eternity because they did not know Jesus? Scriptures teaches us to to worry about others which have no hope, because there is a mechanics going on that you are not aware of. But the basis for that mechanic is that there is NO spirit that has risen to Heaven or cast into Hell, until that Day that the Book of Life is opened up.
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
Scriptures that teach what you are saying here please? Or is this just your opinion?
So then according to you there are three ways to get to Heaven. 1) Believe in Jesus. 2) be a child. and 3) mentally challenged.
Strange Scriptures quite clearly teaches there is only ONE way. Strange again that the Lord of the universe FORGOT to add this exception above, that children and mentally challenge have automatic tickets to Heaven.
Tell me, if it were True that children go to Heaven. Would it not be a Just thing to kill your child to ensure that they go to Heaven, even though you will not because you kill your child? i mean think about, why let your child grow up to start living in a sinful lifestyle and be doomed to Hell, when you as a parent can ensure that child goes to Heaven if you take that childs life. Do you see how preposterous that logic is?
Nowhere does Scriptures teach that children go to Heaven, or that mentally challenged go to Heaven.
What you do not understand, is the mechanics behind the Spirit that is within each and every one of us. The Spirit that is in you, is immortal, it can't die nor be killed. This is why it is written you will forever be in Hell or Heaven for all eternity. This is why satan is not killed, because he too is immortal. God made the Angels and Spirits in Heaven IMMORTAL.
There is ONLY one day that will determine who is going to Heaven and who is going to hell. That day is the Second coming of Jesus Christ, that day is when the Book of Life is opened and if your name is written in it and it has not been blotted out, then you are Heaven bound for eternity. But if your name is not written in the Book of Life on that particular Day, then you are Hell bound for all eternity. So then all the children that dies at Bethlehem, their spirits that was in each of those children is neither in Heaven nor in Hell, because That Day of opening the Book of Life has not yet come.
This is why the following is written:
1Th_4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
So just because someone dies and they are not Christian does not mean they are condemned. What? Are all the Indians doomed to Hell for all eternity because they did not know Jesus? Scriptures teaches us to to worry about others which have no hope, because there is a mechanics going on that you are not aware of. But the basis for that mechanic is that there is NO spirit that has risen to Heaven or cast into Hell, until that Day that the Book of Life is opened up.
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
First of all, when your posts are this long I don't read them. You need to only address the immediate issues with short, to the point, posts.
Regarding the above, just as scripture states, the Lord is going to come back and take us to the Father's house to those places that he prepared for us which are in heaven. While we are there we will be judged at the Bema seat of Christ, not for sin, but to receive reward or loss of reward.
According to Rev.19:6-8, we will also be present at the wedding of the Lamb and will receive our fine linen, white and clean. After that and after God's wrath has been poured out, the Lord will return to the earth to end the age and according to Rev.19:14 we will follow the Lord out of heaven riding on white horses and wearing that same fine linen that we will have received previously at the wedding of the Lamb.
So, the church both dead and living will be caught up in our immortal and glorified bodies to meet the Lord in the air and will remain in heaven during the time of God's wrath and we will then return with Christ to the earth to end the age at the end of that seven years.
At that time, the Lord will establish his millennial kingdom where we will rule with him. The new Jerusalem dose not come down out of heaven until after the millennial kingdom and the great white throne judgment which follows. Scripture has the new Jerusalem coming down after this current heaven and earth has passed away and when the new heaven and new earth are created.
Regarding the above, just as scripture states, the Lord is going to come back and take us to the Father's house to those places that he prepared for us which are in heaven. While we are there we will be judged at the Bema seat of Christ, not for sin, but to receive reward or loss of reward.
According to Rev.19:6-8, we will also be present at the wedding of the Lamb and will receive our fine linen, white and clean. After that and after God's wrath has been poured out, the Lord will return to the earth to end the age and according to Rev.19:14 we will follow the Lord out of heaven riding on white horses and wearing that same fine linen that we will have received previously at the wedding of the Lamb.
So, the church both dead and living will be caught up in our immortal and glorified bodies to meet the Lord in the air and will remain in heaven during the time of God's wrath and we will then return with Christ to the earth to end the age at the end of that seven years.
At that time, the Lord will establish his millennial kingdom where we will rule with him. The new Jerusalem dose not come down out of heaven until after the millennial kingdom and the great white throne judgment which follows. Scripture has the new Jerusalem coming down after this current heaven and earth has passed away and when the new heaven and new earth are created.
Please don't give me the Credit for this knowledge, this Truth was given to me by God, and not from myself or the minds of men.
Is it not True the Father's House is wherever the Father dwells? Yes that is TRUE.
As i said before the Father's House is coming to the Earth, as also says Scriptures.
IN describing the New City Jerusalem it says this:
Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty AND the Lamb (Jesus) are the temple of it.
So the Father and the Son are in the New City Jerusalem. Wherever the Father dwells is the Father's House.
Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God And of the Lamb.
Father and Jesus present in the Holy City.
Rev 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God AND of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
Both Thrones will be in the Holy City, New Jerusalem the Throne of God where the Father is, and the Throne of the Lamb, to the right of the Father, where Jesus sits. The Father's House is wherever the Father dwells. The Father's House is the New City Jerusalem, where the Father is and Jesus is, and us Saints will be, and His House will be on Earth and it comes down with Jesus at the time that Jesus Raptures the Church to be with Him in the air, in the clouds, in the Father's House, which is ON EARTH.
This is True, the problem is YOU teach that He is back in Heaven to return a third time, which thing Scriptures does not teach, that is what you teach, NOT Scriptures. The problem is you do not understand that the Father's House is the Holy City Jerusalem, which comes down out of Heaven to the Earth. During the time the Saints are Raptured. This is what you are not understanding.
Which is ON EARTH. Again it is evident you do not understand all the Scriptures where Jesus Rules all the Kingdoms of the Earth out the Father's House, which is ON EARTH.
YOU keep saying it is in Heaven, which is NOT what Scriptures teach. You teach Jesus comes back gets the Church then goes back to Heaven. Scriptures does not teach that. Scriptures plainly teach we are taken up to be with Jesus in the Air, in the clouds forever. YOU teach He takes us back to Heaven, and because your interpretation is in error you teach that false doctrine. What you do not understand is all the verses which plainly teach the New City Jerusalem being here ON Earth during a time that sinners are still present on the Earth. This you are not grasping, because you have the Holy City coming down AFTER, well everything, after the 1,000 years, after the Great white throne Judgment where all evil people and demons are cast into Hell. Which is contrary to all the verse which plainly teach that that Holy City is ON EARTH during a time when sinners have not yet been condemned, they are still present with us. You have Jesus reigning AFTER all the sinners have been judged and cast into hell at the Great White Throne Judgement. Yet Scriptures plainly teach if Nations do not come up and observe the Feast of Tabernacles that Jesus sets up on the Earth that He will cause it not to rain on that nations. It is a wicked nation that will not come up and worship Jesus, that is why He will cause it not to rain on their nations, therefore this verse alone proves that at a time that Jesus is reigning on the Earth there is still wicked people on the Earth. Which is something that you can't fit into your timeline of event, because they do not line up with it.
The Holy City comes down from Heaven at the time of the Rapture, this is the Father's House that comes down from Heaven to the Earth, this is the time, at the 7th sounding of the Trumpet that Jesus takes over all the kingdoms of the World, this is the time that He starts His reign. These are things you do not understand because the Truth is not in you, if it were in you would you not hear God when He speaks. Those who know and hear God recognize those things that come from God, the sheep know His voice. What i have told you many times is what God has told me will indeed happen. And you nor anyone else has shown one verse that is contrary. True your opinions, and your interpretation are contrary to what i say, but not one verse in Scripture is contrary to what i say God told me. Therefore i know you take comfort in believing that you only don't believe me, DiscipleDave, but in Truth, you do not believe God who told me these things. So here is the TRUTH, it is not i that you disagree with, but God who told me these things, and that is the TRUTH. Now whether you believe my conversations was with God Himself or demons is yet another thing that you can comfort yourself in saying about me. "Oh he is hearing the voice of demons, therefore we don't need to believe Him"
Tell me, in the 2,500 posts that i have put on CC, can anyone show a post that sounds like it comes from demons? No, really?
Can anyone point out one of the 2,500 posts that something i said was contrary to any verse in Scriptures? No, really, not one?
Can anyone show a post that condones any kind of sin whatsoever? Really? it would seem if i am hearing demons that they would condone sinning or at least try to convince me to convince people that it is OK to keep on sinning? Seriously demons tell me to teach AGAINST sinning? Really?
Can anyone show a post where i am teaching hate? No?
In all my post, am i not teaching more than anything to "Love One Another" Are they words of demons as well? No.
So let me understand this, i say what i teach comes from God. nobody can show one thing that i have said that is contrary to any verse in Scriptures. i teach against obeying the devil in any way at all, i teach SIN NO MORE, the same thing our Lord Jesus Christ told a man and a woman as well. i teach over and over again to Love One Another, and even after all this, you still think the voice i heard when i was younger was a demon. Bereans in the Last Day generation, not that i have seen.
i tell you the Truth, and you reject it. Why? NOT because it is contrary to Scriptures but contrary to the false doctrines that you are deceived into believing. Another thing God told me quite a bit when i was asking Him questions "If what you believe contradicts even one verse in Scriptures, then what you believe is wrong" Tell me, does that sound like words of a devil or Words from God? Woe to this generation who refuses to eat the meat that God tries to give them, they love milk and will remain on milk till they die, and never grow in their Spiritual walk. What? don't hear from God, you must first and foremost believe that He still talks to people, before He will ever talk to you (in most cases that is)
Not this generation, this generation believes the lie that satan started many years ago that prophets don't exist after John the Baptist. Which effectively has caused this generation not to believe the TRUE prophets when God calls them to teach.
God is so all knowing. He already told me this generation would not believe what He told me to teach. i even asked Him during that conversation "If you already know they will not hear me, why say anything to them at all?" He then said "So they will have no cloak for their sinning" How right He is. i tell you the Truth which God told me, and you reject it, just as He said this generation would do, but i continue to do what i am called to do, to teach backsliden Christians (Those who continue to knowingly and willingly obey satan and continue to live in sins) the Truth even though they will reject it.
And God told me that the Father's House comes down to the Earth with Jesus Christ during the time of the Rapture. Now if you were a Berean you would search the Scriptures to see if what i say is from God is True or not. But i already know the hearts of this generation, they are not like the Bereans. Because what i say above is contrary to the doctrine that you hold on to, is the only reason you need, not to listen to what i have to say. Doesn't matter if it is contrary to Scriptures or not, it is contrary to what YOU think is the Truth therefore no need to go to the Scriptures like the Bereans. This generation is a generation of Nicolaitans. (Changing the Word of God to fit into their own interpretations and calling that Truth)
You for some reason are not understanding at all are you. You are still under the assumption that i through my own intellect, (like you have done) have come up with what i teach. You are not understanding nor are you hearing what i am saying, when i say "God told me" i say it, but for some reason with you it is not registering. Please do not give me the credit of coming up with the Holy City coming down during the middle of the 7 year Tribulation Period, it is not mine. But that Truth is credited to God who told me when He would come down.
How can i explain it better. let us jump into the past when the civilized world believed the Earth was flat.
God spoke to me and says this "Dave the Earth is round like a ball, and it orbits around the Sun, and there are other planets as well that orbit around the Sun" i then tell people which believes the Earth is flat that God told me it was round like a ball. And then people say "Dave you are not understanding the Earth can't be round because __________, and ___________, and the Bible says _____________. " i then try to explain to them that it did not come from me, nor from my own mind but is what God told me, the Earth is round like a ball, not because that is something that i have deduced, something that i have come up with via my own intellect, but that is what God told me. Likewise i teach what God has told me, and people continually have it in their heads that He did not talk to me, that someone that is what i think God has revealed to me, or that i have come up with this knowledge that i think is the TRUTH, and lie and say it is from God. Either way the Truth is, what i teach is what God told me, what is it to me if you do not believe it, save that i am concerned for those who claim to be sheep and yet does not recognize the Shepphard's voice. If i teach something evil point that out. if i teach something contrary to Scriptures point that out, reveal the Scripture. Oh how i wish all of you would believe the Words God has told me, you could do nothing but benefit from them.
None of this is Scriptural? He is going to prepare a place for us this is TRUE, and He is bringing it with Him when He Returns for us. The Father and the Son will be in the Holy City that comes down out of Heaven to the Earth, this event happens at the Rapture. We will rise to be with Jesus in the Air, in the clouds forever and ever, and the New City Jerusalem, the Father's House will be ON Earth, in the Air, in the clouds, our mansions are inside the New City Jerusalem which comes down out of heaven to the Earth, this is those places that Jesus is right now preparing for us to live in, that place He is bringing with Him when He comes back a second time. Scriptures does not, nor ever has, nor even implied that He goes back to Heaven, or comes back a third time, this is in fact a teaching of men and not a teaching from God, it is NOT True. When the Father's House comes to the Earth, Heaven will no longer be located where it was previously, Heaven is coming to the Earth, the Thousand Year reign of Christ on Earth will be like unto the Garden of Eden. The Earth will be a footstool to the Holy City of God, where the Father is and the Lamb Jesus Christ. These things are TRUE, and no Scriptures contradict that.
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
Is it not True the Father's House is wherever the Father dwells? Yes that is TRUE.
As i said before the Father's House is coming to the Earth, as also says Scriptures.
IN describing the New City Jerusalem it says this:
Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty AND the Lamb (Jesus) are the temple of it.
So the Father and the Son are in the New City Jerusalem. Wherever the Father dwells is the Father's House.
Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God And of the Lamb.
Father and Jesus present in the Holy City.
Rev 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God AND of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
Both Thrones will be in the Holy City, New Jerusalem the Throne of God where the Father is, and the Throne of the Lamb, to the right of the Father, where Jesus sits. The Father's House is wherever the Father dwells. The Father's House is the New City Jerusalem, where the Father is and Jesus is, and us Saints will be, and His House will be on Earth and it comes down with Jesus at the time that Jesus Raptures the Church to be with Him in the air, in the clouds, in the Father's House, which is ON EARTH.
This is True, the problem is YOU teach that He is back in Heaven to return a third time, which thing Scriptures does not teach, that is what you teach, NOT Scriptures. The problem is you do not understand that the Father's House is the Holy City Jerusalem, which comes down out of Heaven to the Earth. During the time the Saints are Raptured. This is what you are not understanding.
Which is ON EARTH. Again it is evident you do not understand all the Scriptures where Jesus Rules all the Kingdoms of the Earth out the Father's House, which is ON EARTH.
YOU keep saying it is in Heaven, which is NOT what Scriptures teach. You teach Jesus comes back gets the Church then goes back to Heaven. Scriptures does not teach that. Scriptures plainly teach we are taken up to be with Jesus in the Air, in the clouds forever. YOU teach He takes us back to Heaven, and because your interpretation is in error you teach that false doctrine. What you do not understand is all the verses which plainly teach the New City Jerusalem being here ON Earth during a time that sinners are still present on the Earth. This you are not grasping, because you have the Holy City coming down AFTER, well everything, after the 1,000 years, after the Great white throne Judgment where all evil people and demons are cast into Hell. Which is contrary to all the verse which plainly teach that that Holy City is ON EARTH during a time when sinners have not yet been condemned, they are still present with us. You have Jesus reigning AFTER all the sinners have been judged and cast into hell at the Great White Throne Judgement. Yet Scriptures plainly teach if Nations do not come up and observe the Feast of Tabernacles that Jesus sets up on the Earth that He will cause it not to rain on that nations. It is a wicked nation that will not come up and worship Jesus, that is why He will cause it not to rain on their nations, therefore this verse alone proves that at a time that Jesus is reigning on the Earth there is still wicked people on the Earth. Which is something that you can't fit into your timeline of event, because they do not line up with it.
The Holy City comes down from Heaven at the time of the Rapture, this is the Father's House that comes down from Heaven to the Earth, this is the time, at the 7th sounding of the Trumpet that Jesus takes over all the kingdoms of the World, this is the time that He starts His reign. These are things you do not understand because the Truth is not in you, if it were in you would you not hear God when He speaks. Those who know and hear God recognize those things that come from God, the sheep know His voice. What i have told you many times is what God has told me will indeed happen. And you nor anyone else has shown one verse that is contrary. True your opinions, and your interpretation are contrary to what i say, but not one verse in Scripture is contrary to what i say God told me. Therefore i know you take comfort in believing that you only don't believe me, DiscipleDave, but in Truth, you do not believe God who told me these things. So here is the TRUTH, it is not i that you disagree with, but God who told me these things, and that is the TRUTH. Now whether you believe my conversations was with God Himself or demons is yet another thing that you can comfort yourself in saying about me. "Oh he is hearing the voice of demons, therefore we don't need to believe Him"
Tell me, in the 2,500 posts that i have put on CC, can anyone show a post that sounds like it comes from demons? No, really?
Can anyone point out one of the 2,500 posts that something i said was contrary to any verse in Scriptures? No, really, not one?
Can anyone show a post that condones any kind of sin whatsoever? Really? it would seem if i am hearing demons that they would condone sinning or at least try to convince me to convince people that it is OK to keep on sinning? Seriously demons tell me to teach AGAINST sinning? Really?
Can anyone show a post where i am teaching hate? No?
In all my post, am i not teaching more than anything to "Love One Another" Are they words of demons as well? No.
So let me understand this, i say what i teach comes from God. nobody can show one thing that i have said that is contrary to any verse in Scriptures. i teach against obeying the devil in any way at all, i teach SIN NO MORE, the same thing our Lord Jesus Christ told a man and a woman as well. i teach over and over again to Love One Another, and even after all this, you still think the voice i heard when i was younger was a demon. Bereans in the Last Day generation, not that i have seen.
i tell you the Truth, and you reject it. Why? NOT because it is contrary to Scriptures but contrary to the false doctrines that you are deceived into believing. Another thing God told me quite a bit when i was asking Him questions "If what you believe contradicts even one verse in Scriptures, then what you believe is wrong" Tell me, does that sound like words of a devil or Words from God? Woe to this generation who refuses to eat the meat that God tries to give them, they love milk and will remain on milk till they die, and never grow in their Spiritual walk. What? don't hear from God, you must first and foremost believe that He still talks to people, before He will ever talk to you (in most cases that is)
Not this generation, this generation believes the lie that satan started many years ago that prophets don't exist after John the Baptist. Which effectively has caused this generation not to believe the TRUE prophets when God calls them to teach.
God is so all knowing. He already told me this generation would not believe what He told me to teach. i even asked Him during that conversation "If you already know they will not hear me, why say anything to them at all?" He then said "So they will have no cloak for their sinning" How right He is. i tell you the Truth which God told me, and you reject it, just as He said this generation would do, but i continue to do what i am called to do, to teach backsliden Christians (Those who continue to knowingly and willingly obey satan and continue to live in sins) the Truth even though they will reject it.
And God told me that the Father's House comes down to the Earth with Jesus Christ during the time of the Rapture. Now if you were a Berean you would search the Scriptures to see if what i say is from God is True or not. But i already know the hearts of this generation, they are not like the Bereans. Because what i say above is contrary to the doctrine that you hold on to, is the only reason you need, not to listen to what i have to say. Doesn't matter if it is contrary to Scriptures or not, it is contrary to what YOU think is the Truth therefore no need to go to the Scriptures like the Bereans. This generation is a generation of Nicolaitans. (Changing the Word of God to fit into their own interpretations and calling that Truth)
You for some reason are not understanding at all are you. You are still under the assumption that i through my own intellect, (like you have done) have come up with what i teach. You are not understanding nor are you hearing what i am saying, when i say "God told me" i say it, but for some reason with you it is not registering. Please do not give me the credit of coming up with the Holy City coming down during the middle of the 7 year Tribulation Period, it is not mine. But that Truth is credited to God who told me when He would come down.
How can i explain it better. let us jump into the past when the civilized world believed the Earth was flat.
God spoke to me and says this "Dave the Earth is round like a ball, and it orbits around the Sun, and there are other planets as well that orbit around the Sun" i then tell people which believes the Earth is flat that God told me it was round like a ball. And then people say "Dave you are not understanding the Earth can't be round because __________, and ___________, and the Bible says _____________. " i then try to explain to them that it did not come from me, nor from my own mind but is what God told me, the Earth is round like a ball, not because that is something that i have deduced, something that i have come up with via my own intellect, but that is what God told me. Likewise i teach what God has told me, and people continually have it in their heads that He did not talk to me, that someone that is what i think God has revealed to me, or that i have come up with this knowledge that i think is the TRUTH, and lie and say it is from God. Either way the Truth is, what i teach is what God told me, what is it to me if you do not believe it, save that i am concerned for those who claim to be sheep and yet does not recognize the Shepphard's voice. If i teach something evil point that out. if i teach something contrary to Scriptures point that out, reveal the Scripture. Oh how i wish all of you would believe the Words God has told me, you could do nothing but benefit from them.
None of this is Scriptural? He is going to prepare a place for us this is TRUE, and He is bringing it with Him when He Returns for us. The Father and the Son will be in the Holy City that comes down out of Heaven to the Earth, this event happens at the Rapture. We will rise to be with Jesus in the Air, in the clouds forever and ever, and the New City Jerusalem, the Father's House will be ON Earth, in the Air, in the clouds, our mansions are inside the New City Jerusalem which comes down out of heaven to the Earth, this is those places that Jesus is right now preparing for us to live in, that place He is bringing with Him when He comes back a second time. Scriptures does not, nor ever has, nor even implied that He goes back to Heaven, or comes back a third time, this is in fact a teaching of men and not a teaching from God, it is NOT True. When the Father's House comes to the Earth, Heaven will no longer be located where it was previously, Heaven is coming to the Earth, the Thousand Year reign of Christ on Earth will be like unto the Garden of Eden. The Earth will be a footstool to the Holy City of God, where the Father is and the Lamb Jesus Christ. These things are TRUE, and no Scriptures contradict that.
^i^
††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave