The rapture

[Cup-of-Ruin]

sir I am sorry but I think you have been under some teaching of man that has tried to come up with some strange teaching so that they can say I am the only one that sees this truth about the Bible so that puts me head over everyone else,

Mr, my teacher is the Bible. Men who are lead by the Spirit are not lead into a popularity contest.

the jews in the old testament were part of the Israel's tribes God's chosen/elect people. they were of the tribe of judah.

No that is incorrect, that is a mere misinformed assumption. It is very common especially in the abomination that now is the United States of America to worship the "jew" as the Israel of God, when nothing could be further from the truth.

to say that judah was a enemy of God is just crazy talk.

You like millions of others have been brainwashed by Judaism from birth to believe the lie that the "jews" are the tribe of Judah or Israel, this is simply incorrect.

yeah in your reference verse, it appears to seem so, but it is not uncommon to see the twelve tribes of God's chosen/elect to war amongst themselves. some scholars say that God's chosen/elect people living in Israel were knowns as Israelite and all of God's chosen/elect living outside of Israel were called Jews,

God distinguishes between the House of Israel and the House of Judah, and the Jews, they are never the same, nowhere in the Bible are they considered to be the same, only outside the Bible, usually in the Judaized United States of America, where the worship of the Jew is very common. They contradict themselves calling Israel - "jews", yet they call Judah - "jews" how can it be that Israel now be "Jew" if God has distinguished them as per Hebrews 8:8-12 whereby all the House of Israel and Judah entered into the new covenant of the blood of Christ, yet now blind America calls all Israel "jew", when the people whom are Israel and Judah are now Christian!

II Kings 16:1-7
"In the seventeenth year of Pekah the son of Remaliah Ahaz the son of Jotham king of Judah began to reign. Twenty years old was Ahaz when he began to reign, and reigned sixteen years in Jerusalem. [The king of Judah and the House of Judah resided in their capital- Jerusalem, word does not say 'king of jews' word says 'king of Judah'!] And did that which was not right in the sight of the Lord his God, like David hid father.[David had conquered Elath which was a strategic port located in Edom, the Edomites that were in Elath were then made subjects of the House of Judah, the Edomites decendants of Esau know as Edom spoke Chaldee, as they were conquered subjects of the house of Judah they were called by their Chaldee tongue Yehuwdiy which means 'subject of the land of Judah', that is a dorogatory term for a conquered subject of the tribe of Judah.]Then Rezin king of Syria and Pekah son of Remaliah king of Israel came up to Jerusalem to war: and they beseiged Ahaz, but could not overcome him [No "jews" (Yehuwdiy) in Jerusalem only the House of Judah which was not overcome] At that time Rezin king of Syria recovered Elath to Syria, and drove the Jews from Elath: and the Syrians came to Elath and dwelt there to this day. [While the house of Judah was under seige but not overcome in Jerusalem, the Edomites Yehuwdiy subjects of Judah were driven out and overcome] So Ahaz sent messengers to Tiglath-pileser king of Assyria saying come up and save me out of the hand of the king of Syria and out of the hand of the king of Israel." [so here we see that in Jerusalem the king of Judah was at war with the king of Israel and the king of Syria, while the Yehuwdiy "Jews" were overcome in the city of Elath/Edom by Syrians, and that is the first mention of these "jews" they were Edomites from Elath at war with Syria and Israel and they were conquered by David in their city Elath which is Edom]

but this does not make them Anti-christ as you would say.

"Jews" are anti-christs. Jesus says in John 10:24-26

"Then the Jews came about Him, and said unto Him "How long dost Thou make us doubt? If Thou be the Christ, tell us plainly". Jesus answered them "I told you and ye believed me not because ye are NOT MY SHEEP, as I said to you. My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me." [Jesus does not lie, if He says His sheep hear Him and follow Him then that is what they do, that is why as per Hebrews 8:8-12 all of the House of Judah and the House of Israel were saved by their God and became Christians as prophecised by Jeremiah 31:31-38.]

sir with your understanding of the term "Jew" then there can't be any Christians are either all Christians are anti-christs :

Isa 65:9And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.
Mt 2:1Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,Mt 2:2Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

Here again is your missunderstanding Christ is called the King from the tribe of Judah, Judah is not "Jew"! Two totally different words one means decended from Judah the other means 'subject of Judah' as in a dorogatory way, Yehuwdiy from the root Yehuwd is a Chaldean word, it is not old Hebrew neither is it of Greek, it is Chaldee, which is the old Babylonian tongue. The 'Wise men" from the east were from Babylon and spoke Chaldee as their native tongue, that is why they are recorded speaking in their tongue, it adds futher weight to the linguistic origin of the language of the "jews" - whch is Babylon, this we know to be the langauge of Edom from where the "Jews" derive. You Mr, should what the Christ says before you try to interpret languages you do not understand - you should Hear Him and what He says of Himself - that is where you should begin.

the Bible lumps people into two classes the Jews and the Gentiles, with in these classes we have the elect, the saved and the lost. the elect will be saved for they are The chosen ones of God "all Israel shall be saved".

Again you contradict yourself and the Bible, Israel is not Judah and the "Jews" are never Israel or Judah.

Ac 21:21And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the JEWS which are among the GENTILES to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.

New Testament Greek now Mr, change Jews to Judeans and Gentiles ethnos means 'our people of the same habit' except in brainwashed America where it means 'everybody that is not jewish'. Gentiles means in English from Gens Latin 'of high noble birth' 'of the same high class' from where we get the words Genteel and Gentry, Gentle, Genus is of a like class and of the same family! Paul says 'Tell the tribe of Judah (Jews is a Masoretic Preist translation from the corrupted KJV) which have been sent to the lost sheep of Israel (Jesus sent Judah and Benjamin to the 10 tribes scattered after the Assyrian captivity, they are called ethnos which translates Gentile) time to forget the old covenant, you should not circumcise, you are to follow the new covenant.'

Because America is corrupted they practice circumcision because the "Jews" and the Muslims practice circumcision as the seed of Abraham do, the "Jews" by Easu are Abraham's seed, and the Muslims are Abraham's seed by Ishmael, but Israel are from Jacob and Jacob is under the new Covenant established by Christ and under that Covenant no circumcision is the law, but the "Jews" and Muslims being anti-christs still practice the circumcision in defiance of the blood of Christ!!!! All of Jacob/Israel were saved and are saved and are Christian!!

Ro 3:29Is he the God of the JEWS only? is he not also of the GENTILES? Yes, of the GENTILES also:

Same thing "Is He the God of Judah and Benjamin only? Is He not also the God of the ethnos, remembering the breach and Israel divorced, but now God through Christ the breach is mended and Israel our Brethren ethnos are also of God."

And just go through all of Paul's letters and try to understand that Paul was from the tribe of benjamin sent to the ethnos, that is the ten tribes that were scattered after the Assyrian captivity, Jesus calls them the 'lost sheep' they were divorced from God. Gentiles means 'of high noble birth', 'of a like kind', 'of the same caste, clan, tribe, family'!!!

Mr, did you ever try to learn your English language? how about Latin? are you familiar with your Latin roots? Do you understand Biblical Koine Greek of the New Testament? What about the differences between Chaldean Aramaic and Hebrew and Phoenician? Do you know who wrote the Masoretic manuscripts that you worship as a false idol? Do you know who the Masorete Priests were? Do you know what is the Herodian script? Or are you just another jew worshipper from America who believes in the "Synagogue of Satan" but calls themselves a 'christian'!!!!

 

[Elijah3]

Those who are predestined to be raptured will be raptured no matter what kind of Rapture they believe in. So let's concentrate on pleasing God. I believe in a mid-trib rapture but I am willing to live with those who don't. God loves us equally no matter what kind of rapture we believe in, it is not a cricital matter to Him.

 

[Thaddaeus]

Those who are predestined to be raptured will be raptured no matter what kind of Rapture they believe in. So let's concentrate on pleasing God. I believe in a mid-trib rapture but I am willing to live with those who don't. God loves us equally no matter what kind of rapture we believe in, it is not a cricital matter to Him.

Jesus was the King of the jews so i guess you are saying that he was king of the anti-christ what a twisted teaching. Mt 2:2Saying, Where is he that is born KING OF THE JEWS? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

sorry this was meant for the next post

 

[Thaddaeus]

Mr, my teacher is the Bible. Men who are lead by the Spirit are not lead into a popularity contest.




No that is incorrect, that is a mere misinformed assumption. It is very common especially in the abomination that now is the United States of America to worship the "jew" as the Israel of God, when nothing could be further from the truth.




You like millions of others have been brainwashed by Judaism from birth to believe the lie that the "jews" are the tribe of Judah or Israel, this is simply incorrect.



God distinguishes between the House of Israel and the House of Judah, and the Jews, they are never the same, nowhere in the Bible are they considered to be the same, only outside the Bible, usually in the Judaized United States of America, where the worship of the Jew is very common. They contradict themselves calling Israel - "jews", yet they call Judah - "jews" how can it be that Israel now be "Jew" if God has distinguished them as per Hebrews 8:8-12 whereby all the House of Israel and Judah entered into the new covenant of the blood of Christ, yet now blind America calls all Israel "jew", when the people whom are Israel and Judah are now Christian!

II Kings 16:1-7
"In the seventeenth year of Pekah the son of Remaliah Ahaz the son of Jotham king of Judah began to reign. Twenty years old was Ahaz when he began to reign, and reigned sixteen years in Jerusalem. [The king of Judah and the House of Judah resided in their capital- Jerusalem, word does not say 'king of jews' word says 'king of Judah'!] And did that which was not right in the sight of the Lord his God, like David hid father.[David had conquered Elath which was a strategic port located in Edom, the Edomites that were in Elath were then made subjects of the House of Judah, the Edomites decendants of Esau know as Edom spoke Chaldee, as they were conquered subjects of the house of Judah they were called by their Chaldee tongue Yehuwdiy which means 'subject of the land of Judah', that is a dorogatory term for a conquered subject of the tribe of Judah.]Then Rezin king of Syria and Pekah son of Remaliah king of Israel came up to Jerusalem to war: and they beseiged Ahaz, but could not overcome him [No "jews" (Yehuwdiy) in Jerusalem only the House of Judah which was not overcome] At that time Rezin king of Syria recovered Elath to Syria, and drove the Jews from Elath: and the Syrians came to Elath and dwelt there to this day. [While the house of Judah was under seige but not overcome in Jerusalem, the Edomites Yehuwdiy subjects of Judah were driven out and overcome] So Ahaz sent messengers to Tiglath-pileser king of Assyria saying come up and save me out of the hand of the king of Syria and out of the hand of the king of Israel." [so here we see that in Jerusalem the king of Judah was at war with the king of Israel and the king of Syria, while the Yehuwdiy "Jews" were overcome in the city of Elath/Edom by Syrians, and that is the first mention of these "jews" they were Edomites from Elath at war with Syria and Israel and they were conquered by David in their city Elath which is Edom]




"Jews" are anti-christs. Jesus says in John 10:24-26

"Then the Jews came about Him, and said unto Him "How long dost Thou make us doubt? If Thou be the Christ, tell us plainly". Jesus answered them "I told you and ye believed me not because ye are NOT MY SHEEP, as I said to you. My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me." [Jesus does not lie, if He says His sheep hear Him and follow Him then that is what they do, that is why as per Hebrews 8:8-12 all of the House of Judah and the House of Israel were saved by their God and became Christians as prophecised by Jeremiah 31:31-38.]




Here again is your missunderstanding Christ is called the King from the tribe of Judah, Judah is not "Jew"! Two totally different words one means decended from Judah the other means 'subject of Judah' as in a dorogatory way, Yehuwdiy from the root Yehuwd is a Chaldean word, it is not old Hebrew neither is it of Greek, it is Chaldee, which is the old Babylonian tongue. The 'Wise men" from the east were from Babylon and spoke Chaldee as their native tongue, that is why they are recorded speaking in their tongue, it adds futher weight to the linguistic origin of the language of the "jews" - whch is Babylon, this we know to be the langauge of Edom from where the "Jews" derive. You Mr, should what the Christ says before you try to interpret languages you do not understand - you should Hear Him and what He says of Himself - that is where you should begin.



Again you contradict yourself and the Bible, Israel is not Judah and the "Jews" are never Israel or Judah.







New Testament Greek now Mr, change Jews to Judeans and Gentiles ethnos means 'our people of the same habit' except in brainwashed America where it means 'everybody that is not jewish'. Gentiles means in English from Gens Latin 'of high noble birth' 'of the same high class' from where we get the words Genteel and Gentry, Gentle, Genus is of a like class and of the same family! Paul says 'Tell the tribe of Judah (Jews is a Masoretic Preist translation from the corrupted KJV) which have been sent to the lost sheep of Israel (Jesus sent Judah and Benjamin to the 10 tribes scattered after the Assyrian captivity, they are called ethnos which translates Gentile) time to forget the old covenant, you should not circumcise, you are to follow the new covenant.'

Because America is corrupted they practice circumcision because the "Jews" and the Muslims practice circumcision as the seed of Abraham do, the "Jews" by Easu are Abraham's seed, and the Muslims are Abraham's seed by Ishmael, but Israel are from Jacob and Jacob is under the new Covenant established by Christ and under that Covenant no circumcision is the law, but the "Jews" and Muslims being anti-christs still practice the circumcision in defiance of the blood of Christ!!!! All of Jacob/Israel were saved and are saved and are Christian!!




Same thing "Is He the God of Judah and Benjamin only? Is He not also the God of the ethnos, remembering the breach and Israel divorced, but now God through Christ the breach is mended and Israel our Brethren ethnos are also of God."

And just go through all of Paul's letters and try to understand that Paul was from the tribe of benjamin sent to the ethnos, that is the ten tribes that were scattered after the Assyrian captivity, Jesus calls them the 'lost sheep' they were divorced from God. Gentiles means 'of high noble birth', 'of a like kind', 'of the same caste, clan, tribe, family'!!!

Mr, did you ever try to learn your English language? how about Latin? are you familiar with your Latin roots? Do you understand Biblical Koine Greek of the New Testament? What about the differences between Chaldean Aramaic and Hebrew and Phoenician? Do you know who wrote the Masoretic manuscripts that you worship as a false idol? Do you know who the Masorete Priests were? Do you know what is the Herodian script? Or are you just another jew worshipper from America who believes in the "Synagogue of Satan" but calls themselves a 'christian'!!!!

Jesus was the King of the jews so i guess you are saying that he was king of the anti-christ what a twisted teaching.


Mt 2:2Saying, Where is he that is born KING OF THE JEWS? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

 

[watchmen]

Jesus was the King of the jews so i guess you are saying that he was king of the anti-christ what a twisted teaching. Mt 2:2Saying, Where is he that is born KING OF THE JEWS? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

sorry this was meant for the next post

Jesus is the King over all things including the anti christ

 

[Thaddaeus]

Mr, my teacher is the Bible. Men who are lead by the Spirit are not lead into a popularity contest.




No that is incorrect, that is a mere misinformed assumption. It is very common especially in the abomination that now is the United States of America to worship the "jew" as the Israel of God, when nothing could be further from the truth.




You like millions of others have been brainwashed by Judaism from birth to believe the lie that the "jews" are the tribe of Judah or Israel, this is simply incorrect.

God distinguishes between the House of Israel and the House of Judah, and the Jews, they are never the same, nowhere in the Bible are they considered to be the same, only outside the Bible, usually in the Judaized United States of America, where the worship of the Jew is very common. They contradict themselves calling Israel - "jews", yet they call Judah - "jews" how can it be that Israel now be "Jew" if God has distinguished them as per Hebrews 8:8-12 whereby all the House of Israel and Judah entered into the new covenant of the blood of Christ, yet now blind America calls all Israel "jew", when the people whom are Israel and Judah are now Christian!

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God distinguishes between the House of Israel and the House of Judah, and the Jews, they are never the same, nowhere in the Bible are they considered to be the same, only outside the Bible,

ok about reading Ezra

Ezr 4:1Now when the adversaries of Judah and Benjamin heard that the children of the captivity builded the temple unto the LORD God of Israel;Ezr 4:2Then they came to Zerubbabel, and to the chief of the fathers, and said unto them, Let us build with you: for we seek your God, as ye do; and we do sacrifice unto him since the days of Esarhaddon king of Assur, which brought us up hither.Ezr 4:3But Zerubbabel, and Jeshua, and the rest of the chief of the fathers of Israel, said unto them, Ye have nothing to do with us to build an house unto our God; but we ourselves together will build unto the LORD God of Israel, as king Cyrus the king of Persia hath commanded us.

the fathers of Israel would come from the tribes of Israel would they not so they said they would build the City. then Erza says


Ezr 4:12Be it known unto the king, that the Jews which came up from thee to us are come unto Jerusalem, building the rebellious and the bad city, and have set up the walls thereof, and joined the foundations.

Ezr 4:23Now when the copy of king Artaxerxes' letter was read before Rehum, and Shimshai the scribe, and their companions, they went up in haste to Jerusalem unto the Jews, and made them to cease by force and power.Ezr 4:24Then ceased the work of the house of God which is at Jerusalem. So it ceased unto the second year of the reign of Darius king of Persia.


the fathers of israel were known as Jews . Bang!!! your teaching just got sunk. also I don't think the Holy Ghost would teach you something that contradicts the Bible.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Jesus was the King of the jews so i guess you are saying that he was king of the anti-christ what a twisted teaching.


Mt 2:2Saying, Where is he that is born KING OF THE JEWS? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

No He was not, that is a false charge against the Lord, so you find Him guilty do you? #2453 - Ioudaios from #2448 (In the sense of 2455 as a country, i.e. belonging to Jehudah. It means you are owned by Judah, it does not mean you are a decendant of Judah, Edom was owned by Judah Edom spoke Chaldee, the 'Wise men' spoke Chaldee, that is why the translation is 'king of the jews', there was no other Chaldean word the eastern Babylonian men could use, they spoke Babylonian Chaldee like the Edom Jews! What did Jesus call Himself, Mr? What did the Apostles call Him? What did His sheep call Him? What did the man who did not know truth call Him? Not the same! Jesus divides!!! The Lord comes to divide, there is a false charge against Him, do you suppose Him to be guilty? most do and that is why on that day He will say "I never knew you", it is because so many pretend christians still call Him a "jew", that is an insult for a Christian and an Israelite! Edomite Pharisees were "Jews", Herod was an Edomite "Jew" after they went to the East, they never were in captivity, they went Babylon on their own and then they established the kingdom of Khazaria in southern Russia, they entered Europe and were known as 'Khazars' Ashkenazim devils for they have mixed with Japeth seed on the maternal side, for their religion has always been maternal, so theyare not Abraham's children, and Jesus tells us that they are not but yes they are his seed by Esau and his 5 canaanite wives, one was aliobama, Esau's bitch, whom is given power today by the dragon! You Americans are immature children and your days of jew worship are coming to an end!

 

[Thaddaeus]

Jesus is the King over all things including the anti christ

unless you have been keeping up with the post between me and cup of ruin , you wouldn't have known what i meant by this sup of ruin has stated that the jews were of the anti-christ not Israel

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Mr, my teacher is the Bible. Men who are lead by the Spirit are not lead into a popularity contest.




No that is incorrect, that is a mere misinformed assumption. It is very common especially in the abomination that now is the United States of America to worship the "jew" as the Israel of God, when nothing could be further from the truth.




You like millions of others have been brainwashed by Judaism from birth to believe the lie that the "jews" are the tribe of Judah or Israel, this is simply incorrect.






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ok about reading Ezra

Ezr 4:1Now when the adversaries of Judah and Benjamin heard that the children of the captivity builded the temple unto the LORD God of Israel;Ezr 4:2Then they came to Zerubbabel, and to the chief of the fathers, and said unto them, Let us build with you: for we seek your God, as ye do; and we do sacrifice unto him since the days of Esarhaddon king of Assur, which brought us up hither.Ezr 4:3But Zerubbabel, and Jeshua, and the rest of the chief of the fathers of Israel, said unto them, Ye have nothing to do with us to build an house unto our God; but we ourselves together will build unto the LORD God of Israel, as king Cyrus the king of Persia hath commanded us.

the fathers of Israel would come from the tribes of Israel would they not so they said they would build the City. then Erza says


Ezr 4:12Be it known unto the king, that the Jews which came up from thee to us are come unto Jerusalem, building the rebellious and the bad city, and have set up the walls thereof, and joined the foundations.

Ezr 4:23Now when the copy of king Artaxerxes' letter was read before Rehum, and Shimshai the scribe, and their companions, they went up in haste to Jerusalem unto the Jews, and made them to cease by force and power.Ezr 4:24Then ceased the work of the house of God which is at Jerusalem. So it ceased unto the second year of the reign of Darius king of Persia.


the fathers of israel were known as Jews . Bang!!! your teaching just got sunk. also I don't think the Holy Ghost would teach you something that contradicts the Bible.

Mr, you do not have many cards left, you are down to Ezra, no doubt you will continue to contradict yourself calling Israel - "Jews", read what you just posted, Israel was in captivity, the "Jews" came up from Elath remember they were Edomite subjects, Judah prosperity, Esau was to serve Jacob! NOT USURP, ESAU GOD HAS HATED FOR THIS REASON! Esau lost his birth right, to Jacob, they Yehuwdiy are to serve Jacob Israel. The "Jews" never went into Babylonian captivity, the House of Judah went and the "Jews" remained in Jerusalem after they came up from Elath! Read your Bible judeochristian!

 

[Thaddaeus]

No He was not, that is a false charge against the Lord, so you find Him guilty do you? #2453 - Ioudaios from #2448 (In the sense of 2455 as a country, i.e. belonging to Jehudah. It means you are owned by Judah, it does not mean you are a decendant of Judah, Edom was owned by Judah Edom spoke Chaldee, the 'Wise men' spoke Chaldee, that is why the translation is 'king of the jews', there was no other Chaldean word the eastern Babylonian men could use, they spoke Babylonian Chaldee like the Edom Jews! What did Jesus call Himself, Mr? What did the Apostles call Him? What did His sheep call Him? What did the man who did not know truth call Him? Not the same! Jesus divides!!! The Lord comes to divide, there is a false charge against Him, do you suppose Him to be guilty? most do and that is why on that day He will say "I never knew you", it is because so many pretend christians still call Him a "jew", that is an insult for a Christian and an Israelite! Edomite Pharisees were "Jews", Herod was an Edomite "Jew" after they went to the East, they never were in captivity, they went Babylon on their own and then they established the kingdom of Khazaria in southern Russia, they entered Europe and were known as 'Khazars' Ashkenazim devils for they have mixed with Japeth seed on the maternal side, for their religion has always been maternal, so theyare not Abraham's children, and Jesus tells us that they are not but yes they are his seed by Esau and his 5 canaanite wives, one was aliobama, Esau's bitch, whom is given power today by the dragon! You Americans are immature children and your days of jew worship are coming to an end!

as watchman just quoted I believe Jesus is king over everything so if you think that is a false charge, you do ye say that Jesus is ???

 

[Thaddaeus]

Mr, you do not have many cards left, you are down to Ezra, no doubt you will continue to contradict yourself calling Israel - "Jews", read what you just posted, Israel was in captivity, the "Jews" came up from Elath remember they were Edomite subjects, Judah prosperity, Esau was to serve Jacob! NOT USURP, ESAU GOD HAS HATED FOR THIS REASON! Esau lost his birth right, to Jacob, they Yehuwdiy are to serve Jacob Israel. The "Jews" never went into Babylonian captivity, the House of Judah went and the "Jews" remained in Jerusalem after they came up from Elath! Read your Bible judeochristian!

well sir you just asked me to show in the Bible where the jews were the same as Israel and I did in Erza so the fathers of Israel meaning the fathers of the tribes of Isael ,were to build the city and then the jews were building the city, sounds like the jews were of the fathers of Israel. do we we to start a poll and see how many others think so. or can you not admit that I just showed you from The Bible what you said was not there!!!!

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

well sir you just asked me to show in the Bible where the jews were the same as Israel and I did in Erza so the fathers of Israel meaning the fathers of the tribes of Isael ,were to build the city and then the jews were building the city, sounds like the jews were of the fathers of Israel. do we we to start a poll and see how many others think so. or can you not admit that I just showed you from The Bible what you said was not there!!!!

Now Thaddaeus, read the word, what does it say, block out everything else and just accept what it says, study it, study it, it is written there, the truth, the truth is written there;

Ezra 4:1 "Now when the adversaries of Judah and Benjamin head that the children of captivity builded the temple unto the LORD GOD OF ISRAEL; Then they came to Zerubbabel and to the chief of the fathers, and said unto him, Let us build with you, for we seek your God, as ye do; and we do sacrifice unto Him since the days of essar-haddon king of Assur, which brought us up hither. But Zerubbabel, and Jeshua and the rest of the fathers of Israel, said unto them; "Ye have nothing to do with us to build our house of God, but we ourselves will build unto the LORD GOD of Israel, as king Cyrus the king of Persia hath commanded us."

"The people of the land weakened the hands of the people of judah and troubled them in building, And hired councillors (lawyers) against them. " These are the inhabitants of the land that remained while the royal House of Judah was in captivity, these are "Jews" and their language is Chaldee, the written letter 'Syrian tongue' that's Chaldee! The letter was written to the king of Persia to make the House of Judah stop building, these same jewish lawyers had early wanted to help but were rejected, so they conspired against the House of Judah.

Haggai prophecises unto the coniving jews "that were in Judah" they were inhabitants of the land but not of the House of Judah, Haggai propecises against those "Jews" in the Name of the God of Israel to let them build their temple, because the jews were trying to stop them, But the house of Judah kept on building with the guidence of God and the prophets so it says;

"But the eye of their GOD was upon the elders of the jews, that they could not stop them."

The jews could not stop the House of Judah, the children of captivity because God was upon the jews, "upon' meaning God kept the jews down so they did not disrupt the House of Judah and the Levites from building the temple to God.!

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

well sir you just asked me to show in the Bible where the jews were the same as Israel and I did in Erza so the fathers of Israel meaning the fathers of the tribes of Isael ,were to build the city and then the jews were building the city, sounds like the jews were of the fathers of Israel. do we we to start a poll and see how many others think so. or can you not admit that I just showed you from The Bible what you said was not there!!!!

The 'Jews' try to stop the House of Judah, they at first ask if they can help but the House of Judah rejects them, knowing their deception, so they the jews try to stop the House of Israel from building the temple, that is why the letter is written in Chaldee, which is the Yehuwdiy language, Syrians spoke Chaldee so did the Persians! The langauge of Babylon!!!!

 

[Thaddaeus]

The 'Jews' try to stop the House of Judah, they at first ask if they can help but the House of Judah rejects them, knowing their deception, so they the jews try to stop the House of Israel from building the temple, that is why the letter is written in Chaldee, which is the Yehuwdiy language, Syrians spoke Chaldee so did the Persians! The langauge of Babylon!!!!

wow if this is so why did the Bible say;

Ezr 4:12Be it known unto the king, that the Jews which came up from thee to us are come unto Jerusalem, building the rebellious and the bad city, and have set up the walls thereof, and joined the foundations.

and this is the enemy of God reporting back to the king, what the fathers of Israel(the Jews) were doing.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

wow if this is so why did the Bible say;

Ezr 4:12Be it known unto the king, that the Jews which came up from thee to us are come unto Jerusalem, building the rebellious and the bad city, and have set up the walls thereof, and joined the foundations.

and this is the enemy of God reporting back to the king, what the fathers of Israel(the Jews) were doing.

That's right, the enemy of God reporting back to the king of Persia what the fathers of Israel are doing, a letter written in Chaldee, and of course because you are decieved and without God you of course listen only to what the liars and enemies of God say, what the Jews say you repeat because you are blinded. There is no other word for the kning of Persia to know except the CHALDEAN YEHUWDIY, FOR THAT IS THEIR LANGUAGE IN THE LETTER! How blind and brainwashed are christians these days, its unbelievable, they worship "jews", Americans worship the "jews" they die for them they use their false paper money, the sacrifice their babies to them, they circumcise as the jews they are the 'Synagogue of Satan' and they bring us true Christians into their Masonic law places to charge us and imprison us for our testimony for Christ because we as true Israelite children of God while the children of the devil do lie, and are Christ killers, murderers from the beginning, by their fruits we do know them, in vain they search the scriptures, in their ignorance and blindness they follow the way of the world while they pay lip service to God. Read your jewish letter judeochristian, it is there in Ezra, it is written for all you who will be decieved by them that say they are jews but are liars! You might as well quote Pontius Pilate now, go on, I'm waiting, quote Pontius Pilate. LOL unbelievable, 'Thaddeus' quotes the jew letter in Ezra, enemies of God, that's his evidence, Oh dear me, you are lost.

 

[Thaddaeus]

Now Thaddaeus, read the word, what does it say, block out everything else and just accept what it says, study it, study it, it is written there, the truth, the truth is written there;

Ezra 4:1 "Now when the adversaries of Judah and Benjamin head that the children of captivity builded the temple unto the LORD GOD OF ISRAEL; Then they came to Zerubbabel and to the chief of the fathers, and said unto him, Let us build with you, for we seek your God, as ye do; and we do sacrifice unto Him since the days of essar-haddon king of Assur, which brought us up hither. But Zerubbabel, and Jeshua and the rest of the fathers of Israel, said unto them; "Ye have nothing to do with us to build our house of God, but we ourselves will build unto the LORD GOD of Israel, as king Cyrus the king of Persia hath commanded us."

"The people of the land weakened the hands of the people of judah and troubled them in building, And hired councillors (lawyers) against them. " These are the inhabitants of the land that remained while the royal House of Judah was in captivity, these are "Jews" and their language is Chaldee, the written letter 'Syrian tongue' that's Chaldee! The letter was written to the king of Persia to make the House of Judah stop building, these same jewish lawyers had early wanted to help but were rejected, so they conspired against the House of Judah.

Haggai prophecises unto the coniving jews "that were in Judah" they were inhabitants of the land but not of the House of Judah, Haggai propecises against those "Jews" in the Name of the God of Israel to let them build their temple, because the jews were trying to stop them, But the house of Judah kept on building with the guidence of God and the prophets so it says;

"But the eye of their GOD was upon the elders of the jews, that they could not stop them."

The jews could not stop the House of Judah, the children of captivity because God was upon the jews, "upon' meaning God kept the jews down so they did not disrupt the House of Judah and the Levites from building the temple to God.!

you are wrong sir, I have showed you from the Bible, that the jews were Israel and Israelites were the jews let me put the last nail in your false teaching's Coffin so you can put it to rest. you said no where in the Bible were the jews and Israel the same. the Jews that builded the city back in Erza consisted of not only the tribes Judah and Benjamin but consisted of all the tribes all Israel are to say the least judah and benjamin were tribes of Israel that the Israel/Hebrew nation consisted of the twelve tribes/ sons of Jacob whom God called Israel whom the Bible refers to as Jews, which you said that it didn't. so what do we do with these verses concerning the jews in Erza which you claim were enemies of Israel. there was at least even some levites which were of the tribes of Israel,

Ezr 6:14And the elders of the Jews builded, and they prospered through the prophesying of Haggai the prophet and Zechariah the son of Iddo. And they builded, and finished it, according to the commandment of the God of Israel, and according to the commandment of Cyrus, and Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia.Ezr 6:15And this house was finished on the third day of the month Adar, which was in the sixth year of the reign of Darius the king.Ezr 6:16And the children of Israel, the priests, and the Levites, and the rest of the children of the captivity, kept the dedication of this house of God with joy,Ezr 6:17And offered at the dedication of this house of God an hundred bullocks, two hundred rams, four hundred lambs; and for a sin offering for all Israel, twelve he goats, according to the number of the tribes of Israel.Ezr 6:18And they set the priests in their divisions, and the Levites in their courses, for the service of God, which is at Jerusalem; as it is written in the book of Moses.

they did according to the commandment of the God of Israel, does this sound like the enemy of Israel, notice also that the children of captivity also referr to in erza 4:1 whom you implied that were the jews which was the enemies of Israel which tried to hinder the building of the city , are here as part of Israel. twelve Goats sacrificed one for each tribe represented twelve tribes of Israel twelve goats . let me also help you with this verse that you so misunderstood that might help you see the light here.


Ezr 5:5But the EYE OF THEIR GOD was upon the elders of the Jews, that they could not cause them to cease, till the matter came to Darius: and then they returned answer by letter concerning this matter.

you have taken this verse way out of content you have to know who "they" are to know the true content , But I think you really already know , but just in case

Ezr 5:3At the same time came to them Tatnai, governor on this side the river, and Shetharboznai, and their companions, and said thus unto them, Who hath commanded you to build this house, and to make up this wall?Ezr 5:4Then said we unto them after this manner, What are the names of the men that make this building?Ezr 5:5But the eye of their God was upon the elders of the Jews, that they could not cause them to cease, till the matter came to Darius: and then they returned answer by letter concerning this matter.




"they" are not not the elders of the jews which you suppose but rather the true enemy of Israel here "They" are "At the same time came to them Tatnai, governor on this side the river, and Shetharboznai, and their companions," these are "They" that opposed the building of the City not The elders of the jews. so when you say the eye of their God was against the elders of the jews you are wrong the eye of their God was for the jews/Israel who was builded the city and against Tatnai , Shetharboznai and their companions who opposed the building of the city. tatni and his bunch were clearly the ones who oppsed this building the jews were the ones building the city back;

Ezr 6:7Let the work of this house of God alone; let the governor of the Jews and the elders of the Jews build this house of God in his place.Ezr 6:8Moreover I make a decree what ye shall do to the elders of these Jews for the building of this house of God: that of the king's goods, even of the tribute beyond the river, forthwith expenses be given unto these men, that they be not hindered.

 

[Thaddaeus]

Mr, my teacher is the Bible. Men who are lead by the Spirit are not lead into a popularity contest.

but men with pride think they have to find something in the Bible that no one else teaches so they feel that they are more knowledgeable than anyone else , but they have to twist, add to or take away from the word Of God or take scriptures out of contents to do so,the Spirit will never contradict scriptures, I think I have shown you where your teaching that a jew is not an Israelite but rather an enemy to Israel contradicts scriptures or the say the least that the jews were not enemies of Israel but very much part of Israel.



No that is incorrect, that is a mere misinformed assumption. It is very common especially in the abomination that now is the United States of America to worship the "jew" as the Israel of God, when nothing could be further from the truth.

You like millions of others have been brainwashed by Judaism from birth to believe the lie that the "jews" are the tribe of Judah or Israel, this is simply incorrect.



God distinguishes between the House of Israel and the House of Judah, and the Jews, they are never the same, nowhere in the Bible are they considered to be the same, only outside the Bible, usually in the Judaized United States of America, where the worship of the Jew is very common. They contradict themselves calling Israel - "jews", yet they call Judah - "jews" how can it be that Israel now be "Jew" if God has distinguished them as per Hebrews 8:8-12 whereby all the House of Israel and Judah entered into the new covenant of the blood of Christ, yet now blind America calls all Israel "jew", when the people whom are Israel and Judah are now Christian!

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I guess peter was brainwashed to according to cup of ruin , peter consider himself a jew which by your belief would make him an enemy of Israel. maybe we were all wrong including Jesus maybe it was peter that should have betrayed Jesus instead of Judas for if peter was a jew he must have been of the anti-christ according to the Doctrine of cup of Ruin

Ac 10:26But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.Ac 10:27And as he talked with him, he went in, and found many that were come together.Ac 10:28And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath showed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.


oh oh and I guess paul was brainwash also, it must be everyboby except Cup of ruin is brainwashed.

Php 3:5Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
Ac 21:39But Paul said, I am a man which am A JEW of Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, a citizen of no mean city: and, I beseech thee, suffer me to speak unto the people.

Funny thing to me is I didn't know peter and paul were americans that had been brainwashed by judaism I thought they were great men of God chosen By the God of Israel to spread the Gospel to all nations..

Joh 4:7There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw water: Jesus saith unto her, Give me to drink.Joh 4:8(For his disciples were gone away unto the city to buy meat.)Joh 4:9Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.

 

[watchmen]

but men with pride think they have to find something in the Bible that no one else teaches so they feel that they are more knowledgeable than anyone else

You mean like John Darby? Yet you follow his lie like it is some sort of gospel of its own. The ''good news'' of escapism, the pretrib rapture is a cult of its own. People worshiping an idea instead of Christ.

 

[Thaddaeus]

You mean like John Darby? Yet you follow his lie like it is some sort of gospel of its own. The ''good news'' of escapism, the pretrib rapture is a cult of its own. People worshiping an idea instead of Christ.

I don't even know who John Darby is. I use the Bible, when I get stumped I referr to Veron McGee or Matthew Henry commentaries however have found where, even these great men of God get away from scriptures from time to time, as well as all men will. I have read some of Wigglesworth and Spurgeon and R.A. Torrey writings and sermons . I try to stay away from most of the modern day preachers for most of their sermons and writings have been tainted with the Modern day preversions of the Holy Scriptures. I am showing scriptures all I get from you or cup of ruin, are no scriptures just your understanding of them or either scriptures that are taken out of content. or either a set of verses in one part of the bible, never considering all the word of God. so raise yourself over me all you want, insult me all you want, tell all you want in here how stupid I am according to you, falsely accuse me of following some man's teaching all you want ,for there is one verse that I lived for

Ac 4:13Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus.
But let me say for the record sir I don't worship the way I will Go up either by the grave or by the last day or by the rapture but rather I worship the One who will call me Up on that day whatever day it will be.

and if I have ever said, I don't think I have, But if I have ever said that you were worshipping a false god because of the day you believe you will enter into the Kingdom. I will apologize today sir that is not my place to say as well as not your place either.

 

[Ryan1976]

Do you believe it is going to be Pre-trib or Post-trib and most importantly, why? Include bible references.

This has been a very enlightening thread. I've not heard anyone say that they don't believe in pre/mid or post-trib rapture. Despite all three being brand spanking new.

Not to credit the pre-tribbers but atleast in regards to the rapture theology, the pre-tribbers were the first to hit the scene. The mid/post folks didn't show up until quite recently.

Post rapture is the closest thing to anything I subscribe to. The word rapture itself just seems like bad theology. Here you have a new believer and if you're trying to explain rapture to him are you really going to tell him that before Jesus marries the Church, he's going to rapture the bride? I almost feel like I should pray for forgiveness even for bringing it up!

Doesn't it strike anyone that the rapture, in terms of it's theology, was never actually in print until 1909? Not only is it interesting that the argument is so passionate but that some of the posters haven't even heard of the likes of Hal Lindsey, Darby, John T. Walvoord and or realize what kind of impact Cyris Scofield has had on the perpetuation of this "doctrine". Not to mention the fact that this doctrine has mutated faster and in more ways than the Swine Flu.

If I told you that there was some guy that cracked some code in the bible by re-arranging bible verses and taking certain verses and putting an interpretational twist on those verses (which have to be taken out of context and applied to the narrative of the doctrine, which isn't actually in the bible) would you buy it? Of course it's going to be biblical. Even Satan was biblical. He took out bible verses and used them against our Lord. So, the fact that it's "biblical" should not be enough to persuade you.

I'm not Roman Catholic or anything but isn't that one of the biggest complaints people make against the Roman Catholics? They introduce teachings of man. They introduced traditions of man. They think their Pope is supreme and even, sometimes, infallible. Yet, here we have one of example of a bunch of conflicting doctrines which all can't be right. So someone on this thread has believed the teachings of man. This rapture tradition has in fact come from a man. Now, maybe God inspired Darby, opened his eyes and he then proceeded to transmit this revelation to his fellow followers and then after the denominations purchased Darby's writings and those who believed Darby then sold their books to spread this new version of the good news. Do these individuals consider their interpretation to be supreme? Are some of you so entrenched to say that your interpretation on the rapture is even infallible? Have the protestants become like popes? Each individual deciding what is True and good apart from the body of believers?

This is how tradition works, yeah? You learn something (in this case, from the Scofield books and those that followed) and you then teach your followers/friends. And then those followers teach other followers and some of those followers add onto the theology and then it mutates and so on and so forth until you get a generation of followers that have no clue where this rapture stuff even came from. Darby who???? They stare blindly at their bible insisting that it's right there in the Holy Scriptures. However, if someone who has never heard of the rapture were to read the bible, they would never (unless they were Darby) even think to come up with this doctrine.

(insert red flag emoticon)

Does it not strike anyone as strange that we are not so passionate about the second coming as we are about this rapture business. That since the introduction of the rapture, the focus has been taken off the resurrection and put on the rapture. Some say, well it's the same. But it is not. Rapture is fixated on that teeny tiny little verse about being caught up in the air. How many of us are savvy to the ancient apocalyptic language that the various sects of Judaism employed that put certain phrases in Revelation and Daniel in context?

If we miss context, then those verses often become like putty in our hands. We mold what we will with them. Or we allow modernity to color the context of the verse. Have we really lost all touch with the roots of Christian thought? Is it no longer tolerable to accept that some of these prophecies are just not for the taking right now..

James 3:1
[ Taming the Tongue ] Not many of you should presume to be teachers, my brothers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.

My point in posting James 3:1 is that not all of you can be right and it's even possible that anyone that even believes in the rapture is wrong. However, this doesn't seem to give anyone pause, let alone curb tongues. If you're trying to make a pre/mid/post-trib case, then you are teaching. If you are teaching there's a strong possibility that you might be judged more strictly, at least in regards to the rapture. Pretend you were actually sitting in front of God (though you are) and each one of you present your case on rapture theology. You better know your stuff inside and out. You had better be so spot on that your listeners won't even make their case. Personally, I see no trouble in walking forward and saying to the Lord, I only believe in your coming, and I hope that I can watch! my life, that I live correctly before you, that it might not take me as a thief in the night. I can only hope that a comment like that might not harm my soul.


2 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

1 Timothy 4:16
Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers.

John 17:15
My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one.

John 17:20-23


20"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one: 23I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.


If we focus on unity in Him instead of this pre/mid/post trib rapture business, we might just start looking like the Christians that Christ himself prayed for.






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