The REAL Abomination that Maketh Desolate (1)

[Delivery]

Back in 1978, I was asked to teach a seminar on Daniel & Revelation. While doing so, the thought crossed my mind, “What if the 1290 and 1335 days of Daniel 12:11-12 are not the first or last half of the great tribulation, and what if Dan 9:27 isn’t about a seven-year tribulation.”

While in Bible college (class of ‘54), I’d studied all the usual explanations about the 69 weeks of Daniel 9:24-26 (from the decree of Artaxerxes I to the cross), but the way most theologians explained them, you had to fudge the numbers to make them fit recorded history. Then I remembered from the book of Jubilees found at Qumran, that for religious reasons, Old Testament Jews used a somewhat complicated 19 year calender, each year of which had only 360 days. Since Daniel was an Old Testament book, it occurred to me that the Lord may have used a calendar with which Daniel was familiar for the 69 weeks, a year of 360 days, so I tried it.

Bingo, it was exactly 483 Hebrew (476 solar) years from the decree of Artaxerxes 1 (444BC-445BC) to the cross! (32-34AD).

So we could now prove those 69 weeks were not weeks of days, but weeks of years. Then I remembered that the prophet Ezekiel (who lived at the same time as Daniel) had already written that prophetic days should be understood as years . . .

Ezekiel 4:5-6 “For I have laid upon thee the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days: so shalt thou bear the iniquity of the house of Israel. And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year. “

Maybe prophetic days elsewhere in Scripture should also be understood as years. I then asked myself, “If the 69 weeks aren’t literal 24 hour days, maybe the 1290 and 1335 days of Dan 12:11-12 aren’t literal days either. We don’t have the authority to arbitrarily decide that days in Dan 12 are literal do we, particularly if they aren’t literal in Dan 9. Hadn’t God had just proven a day for a year in Dan 9:27? I looked at Dan 12:11 again with that idea in mind:

Daniel 12:11 "And from the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.”

Years possibly, but to which abolition of temple sacrifices might God be referring? I just had to try for a fit.

Historically, sacrifices were abolished four times. Once before Daniel, once during Daniel’s lifetime, then in 168 B.C. by Antiochus epiphanies, and in 70 A.D. when Titus the Roman sacked Jerusalem. Since sacrifices were indeed abolished during Daniel’s time, wasn’t it reasonable to conclude that the Lord was telling Daniel about an abolition of sacrifices he knew all about, an event to which Daniel could relate?

The temple was destroyed in 586 B.C. + 1290 Hebrew (1271.5 solar) years = 685.5 A.D.. That’s when the Muslim Califah Abd el Malik Ibn Marwan started clearing the temple mount. But the construction of the Islamic Dome of the Rock didn’t begin for another three years, so I thought there ought to be a better fit.

I went back to Scripture. In Jeremiah 41:5 we find that temple sacrifices continued AFTER the temple was burned, so when were they abolished? In Jeremiah 52:30 we find that Nebuzaradan, Captain of Nebuchadnezzar’s guard, took the final captivity back to Babylon three years AFTER the temple was destroyed, in the 23rd year of Nebuchadnezzar, 583 B.C..

Bingo! 583 B.C. + 1290 Hebrew (1271.5 solar) years = 688.5 A.D., and that, my friends, is the exact year when the Muslims started to build a memorial to Muhammad, The Dome of the Rock, on the temple mount of God Most Holy.

And what did the Bible call it? “The Abomination that maketh desolate!”

Talk about fudging the numbers to make it fit, you certainly take the cake on that one.

First of all Daniel 9:27 talks about a 7 year peace agreement not a 7 year great tribulation.

9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

S he confirms a covenant or peace agreement or whatever you want to call it with many nations for a period of seven years. (1 week translated in this particular passage in the KJV meaning a period of 7 years, not seven days) Then what does it say? In the midst of the week, after 3.5 years, leaving 3.5 years to go he takes away the daily sacrifice, and religious worship and sets up the abomination of desolation which signals the start of the great tribulation. So the great tribulation is a period of 3 1/2 years, not 7 years.

I wanted to clarify that point first before getting into your main question, "What is the real abomination of desolation." And I can guarantee you it is not the Dome of the Rock.

24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

So here Jesus is saying in Mathew 24 that when we see the abomination of desolation standing In the temple in Jeruselem that this will signal the start of the great tribulation. unless you're saying that the 3 1/2 years of great tribulation happened right after the Muslim dome of the rock was built then the dome of the rock is obviously not the abomination that maketh desolate. The Jesus goes on to say.

24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

So here Jesus is saying that right after the great tribulation He is going to come back to resurrect and rapture all of His children from every corner of the earth. So unless you're trying to say that Jesus came back 3 1/2 years after the dome of the rock was built, then we know that it is definitely not the abomination of desolation. So, exactly what is the real abomination of desolation?

13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

This is actually the real abomination of desolation. when the antichrist (referred to in chapter 13 of revelations as the beast) first comes to power he brokers this 7 year covenant then after 3 1/2 years he breaks the covenant and sets himself up in the temple as God and says everybody has the worship him. The 2nd beast of Revelations 13 is his false prophet, who persuades the people to build an IMAGE OF THE BEAST (The abomination of desolation) and set it up in the temple and everybody in the world will have to fall down and worship the image of the beast or be killed. This is the time of great tribulation when all God's true children will have to flee into the wilderness in order to escape the antichrist's forces who will be out killing everybody who won't worship the beast, especially Christians. And, of course, after the time of great tribulation, Jesus will come back to rescue His children from the evil clutches of the antichrist. Since all of this hasn't happened yet we know that it is something that is going to happen in the near future not something that has already happened in the distant past. Certainly not in 588 A.D.

 

[Therapon]

Where's part two? I'm growing impatient!!!

Part #2 has been there for 18 hours, I see it on my menu, don't you?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

It just occurred to me that this verse isn't saying that the A of D will stand in the holy place, but that Daniel was standing in a holy place when he had that vision.

24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet standing in a holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand​

And what was that holy place that Daniel stood in? Prayer...

And I prayed to the Lord my God, and confessed, and said, O Lord, the great and wonderful God, keeping thy covenant and thy mercy to them that love thee, and to them that keep thy commandments; we have sinned, Daniel 9:4

[magnificent prayer continues through verse 19]

And while I was yet speaking, and praying, and confessing my sins and the sins of my people Israel, and bringing my pitiful case before the Lord my God concerning the holy mountain; yea, while I was yet speaking in prayer, behold the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, came flying, and he touched me about the hour of the evening sacrifice. Daniel 9:20-21​

It's amazing how some people make a non-existent mountain out of a molehill.

 

[Saved_Forever]

The abomination of desolation will occur when the antichrist rules which will be the last three and one half years of the tribulation which he will cause craft to prosper on earth and spread that throughout the world.

The Bible says the prince to come will cause this to happen who is the antichrist and he will come from the Roman Empire who will have dominion during that time in which Europe and Caucasian led nations will be his power base which will pull all nations governments together.

Oh? Do you know the future? Can you verify that statement that has no evidence?

Suppose I were to tell you a very specific event is going to happen and I lay it out for you. Would you believe me? I wouldn't believe it and I don't believe you either based on no evidence.

And you say "Because the Bible says so"!

 

[Shilo]

Back in 1978, I was asked to teach a seminar on Daniel & Revelation. While doing so, the thought crossed my mind, “What if the 1290 and 1335 days of Daniel 12:11-12 are not the first or last half of the great tribulation, and what if Dan 9:27 isn’t about a seven-year tribulation.”

While in Bible college (class of ‘54), I’d studied all the usual explanations about the 69 weeks of Daniel 9:24-26 (from the decree of Artaxerxes I to the cross), but the way most theologians explained them, you had to fudge the numbers to make them fit recorded history. Then I remembered from the book of Jubilees found at Qumran, that for religious reasons, Old Testament Jews used a somewhat complicated 19 year calender, each year of which had only 360 days. Since Daniel was an Old Testament book, it occurred to me that the Lord may have used a calendar with which Daniel was familiar for the 69 weeks, a year of 360 days, so I tried it.

Bingo, it was exactly 483 Hebrew (476 solar) years from the decree of Artaxerxes 1 (444BC-445BC) to the cross! (32-34AD).

So we could now prove those 69 weeks were not weeks of days, but weeks of years. Then I remembered that the prophet Ezekiel (who lived at the same time as Daniel) had already written that prophetic days should be understood as years . . .

Ezekiel 4:5-6 “For I have laid upon thee the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days: so shalt thou bear the iniquity of the house of Israel. And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year. “

Maybe prophetic days elsewhere in Scripture should also be understood as years. I then asked myself, “If the 69 weeks aren’t literal 24 hour days, maybe the 1290 and 1335 days of Dan 12:11-12 aren’t literal days either. We don’t have the authority to arbitrarily decide that days in Dan 12 are literal do we, particularly if they aren’t literal in Dan 9. Hadn’t God had just proven a day for a year in Dan 9:27? I looked at Dan 12:11 again with that idea in mind:

Daniel 12:11 "And from the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.”

Years possibly, but to which abolition of temple sacrifices might God be referring? I just had to try for a fit.

Historically, sacrifices were abolished four times. Once before Daniel, once during Daniel’s lifetime, then in 168 B.C. by Antiochus epiphanies, and in 70 A.D. when Titus the Roman sacked Jerusalem. Since sacrifices were indeed abolished during Daniel’s time, wasn’t it reasonable to conclude that the Lord was telling Daniel about an abolition of sacrifices he knew all about, an event to which Daniel could relate?

The temple was destroyed in 586 B.C. + 1290 Hebrew (1271.5 solar) years = 685.5 A.D.. That’s when the Muslim Califah Abd el Malik Ibn Marwan started clearing the temple mount. But the construction of the Islamic Dome of the Rock didn’t begin for another three years, so I thought there ought to be a better fit.

I went back to Scripture. In Jeremiah 41:5 we find that temple sacrifices continued AFTER the temple was burned, so when were they abolished? In Jeremiah 52:30 we find that Nebuzaradan, Captain of Nebuchadnezzar’s guard, took the final captivity back to Babylon three years AFTER the temple was destroyed, in the 23rd year of Nebuchadnezzar, 583 B.C..

Bingo! 583 B.C. + 1290 Hebrew (1271.5 solar) years = 688.5 A.D., and that, my friends, is the exact year when the Muslims started to build a memorial to Muhammad, The Dome of the Rock, on the temple mount of God Most Holy.

And what did the Bible call it? “The Abomination that maketh desolate!”

I neverr look at it this way before and it fits but not in every way, but I do think you have something just not sure were it fits.

Nebuchadnezzar called people to worship his statue the same way muslims are called to worship. People in muslims countries can be killed for not making it to the mosque to worship.

that you limked it to Nebuchadnezzar has got me thinking, somthing is here but what not sure yet. Thanks for your work and sharing.

[h=3]Daniel 3[/h]

3 King Nebuchadnezzar made an image of gold, sixty cubits high and six cubits wide,[SUP][a][/SUP] and set it up on the plain of Dura in the province of Babylon. [SUP]2 [/SUP]He then summoned the satraps, prefects, governors, advisers, treasurers, judges, magistrates and all the other provincial officials to come to the dedication of the image he had set up. [SUP]3 [/SUP]So the satraps, prefects, governors, advisers, treasurers, judges, magistrates and all the other provincial officials assembled for the dedication of the image that King Nebuchadnezzar had set up, and they stood before it.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Then the herald loudly proclaimed, “Nations and peoples of every language, this is what you are commanded to do: [SUP]5 [/SUP]As soon as you hear the sound of the horn, flute, zither, lyre, harp, pipe and all kinds of music, you must fall down and worship the image of gold that King Nebuchadnezzar has set up. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Whoever does not fall down and worship will immediately be thrown into a blazing furnace.”
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Therefore, as soon as they heard the sound of the horn, flute, zither, lyre, harp and all kinds of music, all the nations and peoples of every language fell down and worshiped the image of gold that King Nebuchadnezzar had set up.

 

[GreenNnice]

Delivered:

24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

So here Jesus is saying in Mathew 24 that when we see the abomination of desolation standing In the temple in

Jeruselem that this will signal the start of the great tribulation. unless you're saying that the 3 1/2 years of great tribulation happened right after the Muslim dome of the rock was built then the dome of the rock is obviously not the abomination that maketh desolate. The Jesus goes on to say.

24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Yes, the abomination of desolation is a time period that will be the beginning of the end of THE CHURCH AGE which ends when Christ comes from the clouds and takes with Him, so quickly, those who are His own, like lightning striking, QUICK!
What, you missed it? Did you blink

Eyes of some eschatology camps believe that the time the sun becomes darkened and the moon does not give off it's light as having happened in the 70 AD time. But, Scripture says that this time is 'NEAR,' which means it has NOT come yet, this, of course, speaks of the abomination of desolation, too.

And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Luke 21:20


This time could be quite soon. I'm not sure what's going to happen with Syria, it looks like things will be OK, which is good, I don't want to wish for war, or, future bad for people, I WANT all to come to Christ and war is not the way that it should happen. But, men's minds will do their own thing, especially ones NOT of those who have 'the mind of Christ,' which would be those who Love Christ and Love others and obey Him, faith in Him, trust in Him, in His work having gone on long ago and that continues to this day

But, yes, Iran very well could surround Israel at some point, I think, the other countries would become involved but things are happening, pointing to this possibility in OUR TIME RIGHT NOW .

 

[Saved_Forever]

Part #2 has been there for 18 hours, I see it on my menu, don't you?

Found it! Thanks!

 

[Saved_Forever]

It just occurred to me that this verse isn't saying that the A of D will stand in the holy place, but that Daniel was standing in a holy place when he had that vision.

24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet standing in a holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand​

And what was that holy place that Daniel stood in? Prayer...

And I prayed to the Lord my God, and confessed, and said, O Lord, the great and wonderful God, keeping thy covenant and thy mercy to them that love thee, and to them that keep thy commandments; we have sinned, Daniel 9:4

[magnificent prayer continues through verse 19]

And while I was yet speaking, and praying, and confessing my sins and the sins of my people Israel, and bringing my pitiful case before the Lord my God concerning the holy mountain; yea, while I was yet speaking in prayer, behold the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, came flying, and he touched me about the hour of the evening sacrifice. Daniel 9:20-21​

It's amazing how some people make a non-existent mountain out of a molehill.

Like you? Proper English terminology is needed here. When you are going to translate a context into a readable and understandable format, this is how it works. Observe.

Matt 24:15
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place.

This is the actual verse. It could be modified like this and still be valid.

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation stand in the holy place.

This is exactly what Matt 24:15 is saying. Or you could write the complete context for no confusion to anybody this way.

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation stand in the holy place, spoken of by Daniel the prophet.

All this reference is telling you is that Daniel has the answer you're looking for and you need to go back in time, read Daniel's manuscripts and see what it is.

Mark 13:14
But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not.

This one is also written in the same way! Just skip the words highlighted in blue and the message remains the same. Not once is it suggested that Daniel EVER stood in the Holy place announcing this revelation!

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Like you? Proper English terminology is needed here. When you are going to translate a context into a readable and understandable format, this is how it works. Observe.

Matt 24:15
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place.

This is the actual verse. It could be modified like this and still be valid.

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation stand in the holy place.

This is exactly what Matt 24:15 is saying. Or you could write the complete context for no confusion to anybody this way.

That is merely what you think it says. To say that Daniel wasn't standing in a holy place as he received revelation directly from Gabriel himself while standing in the gap between GOD and Israel, interceding on their behalf, is ridiculous.

Daniel speaks of three abominations that make desolate. That is probably why Matthew 24:15 advises the reader to understand which one is being referred to. Daniel 9:27 makes the most sense because it fits the context of Matthew 24:16, and what actually happened in 67 AD: i.e., that Christians fled Judea to the mountains when they became aware of the approaching abomination of the Roman armies that desolated both Judea and Jerusalem.

 

[Saved_Forever]

That is merely what you think it says. To say that Daniel wasn't standing in a holy place as he received revelation directly from Gabriel himself while standing in the gap between GOD and Israel, interceding on their behalf, is ridiculous.

Daniel speaks of three abominations that make desolate. That is probably why Matthew 24:15 advises the reader to understand which one is being referred to. Daniel 9:27 makes the most sense because it fits the context of Matthew 24:16, and what actually happened in 67 AD: i.e., that Christians fled Judea to the mountains when they became aware of the approaching abomination of the Roman armies that desolated both Judea and Jerusalem.

You can read it any way you want. It won't change the fact that Daniel carries the answer as to what the abomination of desolation is. Rewrite Scripture if you must or go read the original manuscripts if you can read them. There, the message will still be the same. No change in context.

 

[Saved_Forever]

Dear me, isn't that lovely sticking up for your buddy, even though he's wrong!

Unless you can come up with indisputable evidence that your story, whatever it is, is justifiable in every way, I'll change yet again. I changed my doctrine many times. So far, according to Scripture, history and current events, these things he has mentioned makes sense and reflects exactly what the Bible says. There are, however, unfinished business that is currently getting done. I could not tell you when all of it is complete and when that final day will be for that is one prophecy that no one can answer. Is it close to His return? I'd say so. Can I prove that, for sure? No. Do I think Jesus could come back in my lifetime? Quite possibly. Can I know for sure? No.

Once I started to get the players involved in Scriptures, (such as beast, wilderness, stars, candlesticks dragon and the false prophet to name a few) the picture has become more clearer to me. He has answered some very tough questions I had. For instance. Are you telling me, anybody here, that one being, the antichrist, will rule the world and all the people will love him for about 3.5 years? This is one of the beliefs I had but questioned it severely. Why? I thought about how will it be possible for one man to rule an entire planet? Even if all Christians were raptured (This was another belief I had) before this single man started his reign, how would the people follow him? It still made no sense. Why? I look at civilization all around the world and see quite clearly that no one ever gets along with each other. Families have disputes, neighborhoods, jobs and businesses, towns, cities and countries can't agree and have disputes. It gets even worse. Religions can't even agree either! Look no further than right here! Even we can't agree! What makes you think everybody will follow this antichrist? We can't even get everybody to follow Jesus!

This makes more sense to me. If you want to rule the world, it takes a MASSIVE army. What kind of army? A religious army that is hell bent on destroying everything Christian as the Bible indicates in Rev 11 and 13 to name some references. The religious army that makes perfect sense is Islam. The concept of Islam, as stated by its founder, Muhammad, is to subdue the entire world to worship one god who is called Allah only! Establish Shariah law and destroy anybody who does not follow said religion. Needless to say, not all Muslims will do this but there will be enough to get the job done and they're doing it right now! Right under our noses and we don't see it unless we look for it. I see it happening right before my eyes and it scares the crap out of me!

This makes more sense to me.

 

[GRA]

Daniel 12:

[SUP]11[/SUP] And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. [SUP]12[/SUP] Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

According to "the grammar of the language"...

Verse 11 is not saying that there will be 1290 days between 'the daily sacrifice shall be taken away' and 'the abomination that maketh desolate set up'. Rather, it is saying that there will be 1290 days from the time of both of these events until the time of an unmentioned event at the end of the 1290 days. The events represented by 'the daily sacrifice shall be taken away' and 'the abomination that maketh desolate set up' actually "go together" -- at the beginning of the time span of 1290 years.

Curious... What happened in the year 733? And, who was blessed because of it?

 

[BananaPie]

Curious... What happened in the year 733? And, who was blessed because of it?

...hmm... nothing much is going on in 733 AD other than France defeating the Muslims, pushing Islam off French boarders and back into Spain...

So, what's the answer to the year 733?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If you are correct, tell me where it says the abomination of desolation IS Satan. I'd love to see that. I read it many times and it's not there. The only reference that is there that says where to go to find out what the abomination of desolation is will be found in Daniel.

I ask yet once again. Where in Daniel does it say WHAT the abomination of desolation is?

it is found in the hebrew words.

the wing of abomination which makes desolate is a term which means an idol, or some unclean thing is placed inside the holy of holy's making the place desolate (unclean) Thus Gods presense could not be present in the inner sanctum because of the unclean thing.

granted, God was not present since the first temple. certainly not after the return from exile since Isreal was still in sin. But the term would still mean the same!

We do have historical example. Another abomination spoken of by Daniel, When Antoches Epiphanes slaughtered a pig (seen as very unclean) in the inner sanctum, which helped to cause the Maccabeean revolt

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It just occurred to me that this verse isn't saying that the A of D will stand in the holy place, but that Daniel was standing in a holy place when he had that vision.

24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet standing in a holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand​

And what was that holy place that Daniel stood in? Prayer...

And I prayed to the Lord my God, and confessed, and said, O Lord, the great and wonderful God, keeping thy covenant and thy mercy to them that love thee, and to them that keep thy commandments; we have sinned, Daniel 9:4

[magnificent prayer continues through verse 19]

And while I was yet speaking, and praying, and confessing my sins and the sins of my people Israel, and bringing my pitiful case before the Lord my God concerning the holy mountain; yea, while I was yet speaking in prayer, behold the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, came flying, and he touched me about the hour of the evening sacrifice. Daniel 9:20-21​

It's amazing how some people make a non-existent mountain out of a molehill.

where did you get this?

The first abomination which causeth desolation was literally fulfilled by the prince of greece. The second one will also.

Pray is not an abomination which makes desolate..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That is merely what you think it says. To say that Daniel wasn't standing in a holy place as he received revelation directly from Gabriel himself while standing in the gap between GOD and Israel, interceding on their behalf, is ridiculous.

Daniel speaks of three abominations that make desolate. That is probably why Matthew 24:15 advises the reader to understand which one is being referred to. Daniel 9:27 makes the most sense because it fits the context of Matthew 24:16, and what actually happened in 67 AD: i.e., that Christians fled Judea to the mountains when they became aware of the approaching abomination of the Roman armies that desolated both Judea and Jerusalem.

1. There was no abomination in 67 AD
2. There was not "great tribulation which has never been greater before or after" in 67 AD

thus. Logical reasoning can make us understand, the abomination was not in 67 AD,

Daniel was not standing in the holy place when he prayed, he was in babylon. There was no Holy Place when he prayed, the temple had been destroyed.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

1. There was no abomination in 67 AD
2. There was not "great tribulation which has never been greater before or after" in 67 AD

thus. Logical reasoning can make us understand, the abomination was not in 67 AD,

For that nation there was affliction that was greater than anything they had ever experienced, or ever would experience, because it was completely destroyed.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

For that nation there was affliction that was greater than anything they had ever experienced, or ever would experience, because it was completely destroyed.

lol.. That is not what the tribulation is about. It is not about any nation. it is about the world..(nation against nation, Kingdom against kingdom) And it is not the first time it was destroyed. babylon did the same thing to them!

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

lol.. That is not what the tribulation is about. It is not about any nation. it is about the world..(nation against nation, Kingdom against kingdom) And it is not the first time it was destroyed. babylon did the same thing to them!

Have you read Josephus? The Babylonian conquest was nothing like the Roman one, which was absolutely horrific.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Have you read Josephus? The Babylonian conquest was nothing like the Roman one, which was absolutely horrific.

Have you read about WW2? WW2 made the roman conquest look like a walk in the park.

Remember, Great tribulation, such as never been seen before, OR AFTER.. It will be the worst tribulation this world has ever seen.