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Angela53510

Angela53510

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Very concerned about the mental health of the OP. This kind of scattered talking, being attracted to cults and authority figures (the man who supposedly translates the original Aramaic, a dead language, which he translates like a native speaker.) At least that is what I thought I read in all the rambling and ravings.

This is delusional. Where to start with the theology? I guess a relationship with Christ, and perhaps visiting a mental ward to get help might be a start. When you put a church above God, find deeper meanings which confirm that Neanderthals were created before Adam I see a serious problem.

I am not trying to be mean or negative, I just happen to have a good background in mental illness and you are really coming across as psychotic.

Please see your doctor, and tell him what you are telling us. I'll bet you use pressured speech, too.

As for those Nigerians you converted, did they tell you they have $5 million they would give you for helping them get into a bank account of someone who died? OK, that was nasty - to the Nigerians, I mean! So sorry to them.
 
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wdeaton65

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Angela53510 said:
Very concerned about the mental health of the OP. This kind of scattered talking, being attracted to cults and authority figures (the man who supposedly translates the original Aramaic, a dead language, which he translates like a native speaker.) At least that is what I thought I read in all the rambling and ravings.

This is delusional. Where to start with the theology? I guess a relationship with Christ, and perhaps visiting a mental ward to get help might be a start. When you put a church above God, find deeper meanings which confirm that Neanderthals were created before Adam I see a serious problem.

I am not trying to be mean or negative, I just happen to have a good background in mental illness and you are really coming across as psychotic.

Please see your doctor, and tell him what you are telling us. I'll bet you use pressured speech, too.

As for those Nigerians you converted, did they tell you they have $5 million they would give you for helping them get into a bank account of someone who died? OK, that was nasty - to the Nigerians, I mean! So sorry to them.
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You made it through this entire post kudos LOL. I have read some pretty wild and out there things on this chat forum but this is by far the most out there. I even remember a guy saying adam and eve had sex with animals but this thread and the other thread plasticman posted well lets just say it has left me in awe. Run for the hills!!!
 
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Earlmayknowornot

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You made it through this entire post kudos LOL. I have read some pretty wild and out there things on this chat forum but this is by far the most out there. I even remember a guy saying adam and eve had sex with animals but this thread and the other thread plasticman posted well lets just say it has left me in awe. Run for the hills!!!
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This is what the modern church teaches if, you have a problem see the shrink. Many have so called christian psychologist employed by the church. Amazing
 
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wdeaton65

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Earlmayknowornot said:
This is what the modern church teaches if, you have a problem see the shrink. Many have so called christian psychologist employed by the church. Amazing
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This is a prime example why we lift no one man up no matter how smart or how many languages he speaks or letters with his name. PHD can mean post hole digger. This plasticman needs Yeshua the real deal I hope he finds the LORD before it is to late!
 
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Widdekind

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would someone please expound upon this point ?

what, exactly, is meant by "Aramaic text" ?

Evidently, Syriac = written Aramaic ("Shakespearean Aramaic" ?). And, the Syriac texts date as early as the 400s AD, about to the time of Nestorius.

Aramaic speech is an underlying factor and New Testament writers drew on documents written in Aramaic. Syriac is the literary dialect of Aramaic. From the Mediterranean east into India, the Peshitta is still the Bible of preference among Christians.http://aramaicbible.us
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SYRIAC PESHITTA 1933 AD
Translated from Aramaic into English in 1933 by George M. Lamsa. The Peshitta was the authorized Bible of the Church of the East, and the English translation is based on Peshitta manuscripts. The Aramaic language was a language of empire extending from Persia to Europe, and down the Nile through the length of Egypt. It was spoken and written by the Jewish people at least equally with Hebrew, and was the common language used by Jesus in addressing the masses in His 3 1/2 years of earthly ministry.
Manuscripts used in making this translation were
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RachelBibleStudent said:
we don't have the 'original aramaic manuscripts' of the new testament...if they ever existed at all...

the 'aramaic' text that these kinds of 'aramaic primacy' translations are based on...which is actually -syriac- by the way...is just a translation of the greek texts...

so you aren't getting closer to the truth...instead you are getting an english translation of a syriac translation of a greek text that some claim is itself a translation of an original aramaic text...that means a lot of opportunities for stuff to be 'lost in translation'

also the 'church of the east' was found to be heretical in 431...basically because nestorius denied the unity of jesus' humanity and divinity...
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Ariel82

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the OP doesn't follow Lamsa, he's got himself a NEW translator....

..ya know a "native" translator, though the language is no longer spoken so not sure how that works......
 
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Ariel82

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the problem is not the Aramaic text but the fact his "translator" adds false things like Adam and Eve are not the first humans God created, and that Cain married someone who did NOT descend from Adam and Eve........ ....

its not found in Lamsa's translation of the Aramaic, but a false teaching this "translator" has inserted.

Lamsa OT - Genesis
 
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nonplasticcholyman

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go check out this duder. Cain is banished to the land of Nod.He tells GOD if I go there,them there,the people there if they find me will kill me...In that land were others people? yes as cain found his wife there! And then comes the statement a little later the Nephilim were in the land...genesis 6:4: And they were giants* in the earth, in those ages and even later, because the sons of God entered upon the daughters of men, and there was born to them aliens,* who were giants* of universal* fame.
*6:4.1-3 Lit. Ar. id.: "Strange creatures," hybrid forms, monstrously large, Neanderthals. I believe when it is saying "monstrously large", it's referring that they were extraordinarily tall.
Not aliens,oe the fallen angels,Satan and the 1/3 cast down from heaven. As the bible states they were cast down,into the pit and are chained there.And that Christ stated :He saw Satan fall from heaven, to the earth.

And the beliefs of the church I am attending,and following, is not a cult or occult as you claimed,proof shown in these videos.

St Elizabeth Assyrian church of the east NZ:
Assyrian Church of the East NZ - Youth Easter Video - YouTube

Apostolic orthodox catholic church of the east:
The Eastern ORTHODOX Church is the ONLY TRUE and Apostolic CHURCH. part 1 of 3 - American documentary: "The Ancient Church" - YouTube

Giants -Nephilim: as seen in this video:Not E.Ts or aliens or demons etc
GIANT "HUMAN" SKELETONS-MASS COVER UP PT.1/2 - YouTube

Alaha bless and peace be upon you.:eek:
 
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nonplasticcholyman

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Well yeah I think I read that,and gathered that too. :eek: But Vic Alexander thought that too,so apparently translated using that first,but was told a year later after completing some,he'd translated it from the Syriac,when it was originally in Aramaic, by a priest.So he started translating all over again using the Aramaic,cuneiform, Ashurit?? etc etc!
 
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Widdekind

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why is the Apostolic Orthodox Catholic Church the "only" true Church ? what would other Churches need to do, to come back into Communion with the eastern Church ?

nonplasticcholyman said:
go check out this duder. Cain is banished to the land of Nod.He tells GOD if I go there,them there,the people there if they find me will kill me...In that land were others people? yes as cain found his wife there! And then comes the statement a little later the Nephilim were in the land...genesis 6:4: And they were giants* in the earth, in those ages and even later, because the sons of God entered upon the daughters of men, and there was born to them aliens,* who were giants* of universal* fame.
*6:4.1-3 Lit. Ar. id.: "Strange creatures," hybrid forms, monstrously large, Neanderthals. I believe when it is saying "monstrously large", it's referring that they were extraordinarily tall.
Not aliens,oe the fallen angels,Satan and the 1/3 cast down from heaven. As the bible states they were cast down,into the pit and are chained there.And that Christ stated :He saw Satan fall from heaven, to the earth.

And the beliefs of the church I am attending,and following, is not a cult or occult as you claimed,proof shown in these videos.

St Elizabeth Assyrian church of the east NZ:
Assyrian Church of the East NZ - Youth Easter Video - YouTube

Apostolic orthodox catholic church of the east:
The Eastern ORTHODOX Church is the ONLY TRUE and Apostolic CHURCH. part 1 of 3 - American documentary: "The Ancient Church" - YouTube

Giants -Nephilim: as seen in this video:Not E.Ts or aliens or demons etc
GIANT "HUMAN" SKELETONS-MASS COVER UP PT.1/2 - YouTube

Alaha bless and peace be upon you.:eek:
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nonplasticcholyman

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Well I read,watched a video of them saying that the FIRST church was created after the resurrection and the ascension of Yeshua ( Jesus) by ST.Thomas and ST.Jude.Obviously lots worldwide claim similar status,that they are the first and only true church.
 
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nonplasticcholyman

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"The lifetimes given for the Patriarchs in the Book of Genesis are: Adam 930 years..." from wikipedia.org. as seen in modern versions of the bible, like the King James, so Christians are led to believe,assume Adam lived this long due to simply eating just vegetables,fruit and herbs.
But in the Aramaic it states this is not the age he died,but how long his lineage lasted.He then dies,and then Seth's is detailed,the length of years his lasted,before his son's starts.And so on.
Genesis 4. And Adam's line, after the birth of Seth, lived eight hundred years and to him were born many sons and daughters.
5. And so Adam's entire line was nine hundred and thirty years altogether, and then it ended.*
*5:5 Lit. Ar. id.: "It died out."
I remember working in a hospital here as a cleaner, and reading a rather huge older version of the KJV; which had a copy of the Kings decree 1611,as a first page,in it and how it proposed to keep the Roman Catholics away from it when it was revised, as they feared they may taint it. As they wanted to insert the Apocrypha in it. Haven't seen one like it ever, after that.
 
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nonplasticcholyman

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I first started reading Lamsa's translation,then read another who stated Lamsa's was not to be taken literally, or read,or believed as he didn't believe in the trinity,and added his own flavor to it to suit his own ideals. Many I have come across say no, he is the best,and state that Vic Alexander did that..So I read Yoanaan's? translation, then another and another.And some have stated, oh that's from the Syriac and is incorrect,wrong one to use to translate the Aramaic Peshitta.Blar Blar Blar...:p
 
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nonplasticcholyman

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ok fair enough good judgement...I think, well from what I've read of Vic Alexander, he did it a "different" way to every one else!
He was thinking about referring/using the modern versions,as a translation aid,but decided against it because it could confuse,baffle him, as he found it a mishmash etc etc when he translated the brettah or Creation ,the real name of the Book of Genesis or some other thing he said, my memory of exactly what he said, is a bit fuzzled.I am after all only human, not a computer! ;)

And he translated the Old Testament utilizing the cuneiform manuscripts discovered by archeologists in Mesopotamia in the late 19th Century AD.
The archeologists Sir Henry Austen Layard and Hormuzd Rassam discovered the Ashurbanipal Library intact in Nineveh and crated the 50,000 tablets to the British Museum in London. They are the pride of the British Museum, together with the oldest Ancient Aramaic Old Testament which dates back to the 4th Century AD.

Today, both Judaism and the Catholic Church have realized the contribution of the cuneiform tablets of the Ashurai to the understanding of the roots of the Bible.
 
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nonplasticcholyman

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That's what one or two say,assume,write,wrote,who may not even be part of that church or hierachy. They may only be assuming. As I remember reading Vic saying they WRONGLY called or referred to the church of the east as "Nestorian" after Nestorius helped,sided,with the Roman Catholic church or attempted to translate the ancient aramaic for them. I can't remember,and I think that info was in the supporters area of Vic's website,and some pages he took down as he wasn't getting much viewers and selling any of his books.Best to email him and ask him directly.
 
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Ariel82

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the only Creation cuneiform tablet I could find listed in the British museum is this one:

British Museum - Cuneiform tablet telling the Epic of Creation

definitely NOT Christian or even close.

could you show WHICH text Vic Alexander is actually translating? (especially if its not the same ones used by Lamsa? )

You should be able to locate it in the British Museum website.

Also did he travel to London to study these texts?

how did he gain access to these texts?
 
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nonplasticcholyman

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Well using logic,that the scientists archaeologists dug up bones of a "pre man" race,Neanderthals,pro magnum,Lucy etc,therefore providing evidence,proof,rather than assume,creating a theory that keeps evolving,like Darwin's that were started from apes,then oemebas? tadpoles, etc.

"Unlike evolution, science and religion ( I'm pretty sure he's referring here solely to the Aramaic scriptures) don't contradict each other." They actually agree with each other!
And Vic said when he translated Genesis he stumbled across that info,in there! Maybe through using the cuneiform etc as he stated.There was a page on his site called "the theory of the aborigine" but he took it down.He stated on it,it was a theory,but at some point he would hopefully,make a big thing about it,take it further, research it further?

When I first saw it I laughed and even said to him by e-mail - "some clown created this theory hahaha about pre men and that they were neanderthals",not realizing it was him! He didn't take offense,he didn't even reply and say,"Hey! That was me!"
So if we have that scientific evidence,the visual proof,proof that they indeed are real and not some plaster of Paris fakes,as some were found to be earlier,and that it was found written in the older original ancient Aramaic scriptures using the cuneiform,or whatever,
Isn't that the undeniable,irrefutable hard core evidence,proof via the 2?

But maybe the modern scholars etc would hastily poo poo it as rubbish,because they'd rather you'd believe a theory,a lie, that we had tails swung from trees,or first swam then came onto the land, and then evolved from tadpoles to apes to human or other nonsense? And they change it years later to we were an explosion, and a result of atoms falling to earth,then became a toad that turned into a man?:confused:

I'd rather believe what is was proven.Is FACT.and irrefutable.:p
 
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nonplasticcholyman

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ok ummm;go to this page it shows the one in the British museum he supposedly translated from...Epic of Creation tablet 1500 BC, Ashurbanipal Library, British Museum, London Library, British Museum, London and if I remember rightly, there's a text version of the book of Sir Henry Austen Layard and Hormuzd Rassam and their adventure finding the lost library, and another of a guy named smith online and his writings on it.

http://www.v-a.com/bible/supporters/old-testament.html

As I said before, might be best to go email him and ask away.[email protected]
 
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nonplasticcholyman

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"I shot a documentary at the Louvre Museum and the British Museum in 1976.
At first my interest was only to film the great art of my ancestors, the Ashurai people of Mesopotamia (Bet Nahrein.) Then I began studying about the invention of writing and that led me to the Scriptures."

His words,not mine....
 
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