yes tell @SabbathBlessing that the law she's talking about is "Not of Faith" as you quoted above. I don't think she gets it.
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The apostles being accused by the Pharisees for breaking the Sabbath, just as they accused Jesus of doing so and not being equal to God has nothing to do with Heb 7.
Heb 7 is about the priesthood being changed because the law said it had to come through the tribe of Levi, but Jesus came from the tribe of Judah. In order for Jesus to be our High Priest in the New Covenant- the law- the priesthood had to change.
Heb 4:11 Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. 13 For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has [b]officiated at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning [c]priesthood.
The apostles never broke the Sabbath commandment, there is no such violation to eat on the Sabbath. Hence why Jesus said they were guiltless Mat 12:7
Jesus never bended the rules for Him and the apostles, which would make Jesus a hypocrite because He condemned the Pharisees for keeping their own rules instead of obeying the commandment of God quoting directly from the Ten Commandments Mat 15:3-15
Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27 man was created on the sixth day in the image of God Gen 1:26 the Sabbath was created after man. Jesus being Lord of the Sabbath means He is the Creator of it so He would know how to keep it. The Sabbath was made for man to bless Isa 56:1-6 and sanctify man, because man can't sanctify themselves Isa 66:17 we need God for everything Eze 20:12
Heb 7 is about the priesthood being changed because the law said it had to come through the tribe of Levi, but Jesus came from the tribe of Judah. In order for Jesus to be our High Priest in the New Covenant- the law- the priesthood had to change.
Heb 4:11 Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. 13 For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has [b]officiated at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning [c]priesthood.
The apostles never broke the Sabbath commandment, there is no such violation to eat on the Sabbath. Hence why Jesus said they were guiltless Mat 12:7
Jesus never bended the rules for Him and the apostles, which would make Jesus a hypocrite because He condemned the Pharisees for keeping their own rules instead of obeying the commandment of God quoting directly from the Ten Commandments Mat 15:3-15
Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27 man was created on the sixth day in the image of God Gen 1:26 the Sabbath was created after man. Jesus being Lord of the Sabbath means He is the Creator of it so He would know how to keep it. The Sabbath was made for man to bless Isa 56:1-6 and sanctify man, because man can't sanctify themselves Isa 66:17 we need God for everything Eze 20:12
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.
Rom 7:12 12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.
The just live by faith and by every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God Mat 4:4
Including Mat 15:3-14 Mat 19:17-19 Mat 5:19-30 Exo 20:6 John 14:14 Isa 56:1-6 Mat 7:7-13 Exo 20:8-11 Mark 2:27 these all have a thus saith the Lord. Thats where I place my faith. I am not worried about human judgement, Jesus told us to expect it, so it means nothing. God's Judgement is what we should all be concerned with and nothing we can hide form Him Ecc 12:13-14 Rev 14:6-12 Mat 7:21-23 Rev 22:14-15
Rom 7:12 12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.
The just live by faith and by every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God Mat 4:4
Including Mat 15:3-14 Mat 19:17-19 Mat 5:19-30 Exo 20:6 John 14:14 Isa 56:1-6 Mat 7:7-13 Exo 20:8-11 Mark 2:27 these all have a thus saith the Lord. Thats where I place my faith. I am not worried about human judgement, Jesus told us to expect it, so it means nothing. God's Judgement is what we should all be concerned with and nothing we can hide form Him Ecc 12:13-14 Rev 14:6-12 Mat 7:21-23 Rev 22:14-15
But they worked to get the grain.
A covenant requires a law: the law is how the covenant is administered. He never bent the rules, sure. The Sinai Law, administered by the Levites, was a shadow of the covenant between God and God.
"For when God made a promise to Abraham, because He could swear by no one greater, He swore by Himself, 14 saying, “Surely blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply you.”
That was my point. There was always a greater covenant that would come... always the original one God made with Himself.
We know, later, that God swore this to the Son as the "Seed" who would come.
That covenant is summed up here: "You shall be to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation"
This was the promise given at Sinai. But the Jews did not meet the qualifier:
"Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant (This is not forbearance. This covenant was "Do what I tell you" just like Abraham did what I told him), then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession..."
The Jews did not follow God's direction to come into His presence so, instead, they were given the covenant of the Law of Sinai. Only 12th of the tribes became priests and they were not a holy nation.
A covenant requires a law: the law is how the covenant is administered. He never bent the rules, sure. The Sinai Law, administered by the Levites, was a shadow of the covenant between God and God.
"For when God made a promise to Abraham, because He could swear by no one greater, He swore by Himself, 14 saying, “Surely blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply you.”
That was my point. There was always a greater covenant that would come... always the original one God made with Himself.
We know, later, that God swore this to the Son as the "Seed" who would come.
That covenant is summed up here: "You shall be to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation"
This was the promise given at Sinai. But the Jews did not meet the qualifier:
"Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant (This is not forbearance. This covenant was "Do what I tell you" just like Abraham did what I told him), then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession..."
The Jews did not follow God's direction to come into His presence so, instead, they were given the covenant of the Law of Sinai. Only 12th of the tribes became priests and they were not a holy nation.
No they did not, the were plucking the tops of the grain and eating because they were hungry, no different than taking an apple from a tree and eating on the Sabbath. I'm not sure what kind of God you think would not allow us to eat on the Sabbath if we are hungry. This was a law of the Pharisees, not a law of God.
Jesus said they were guiltless, not because He is a hypocrite, because its not a sin to eat on the Sabbath, but you can side with the Pharisees, the same ones who said Jesus sinned, when Jesus in His own Words said He did not.
Yes, agree, we should keep God's covenant
Deut 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.
Exo 34:28 28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.
Psa 89:34 My covenant I will not break,
Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.
So lets let God be God and honor Him and not change His Words- because we are not God and do not know better than our Creator.
Jesus said they were guiltless, not because He is a hypocrite, because its not a sin to eat on the Sabbath, but you can side with the Pharisees, the same ones who said Jesus sinned, when Jesus in His own Words said He did not.
Yes, agree, we should keep God's covenant
Deut 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.
Exo 34:28 28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.
Psa 89:34 My covenant I will not break,
Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.
So lets let God be God and honor Him and not change His Words- because we are not God and do not know better than our Creator.
It was the letter vs the spirit of the law.
You were to store up enough food BEFORE the sabbath.
This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.
So they laid it up till morning, as Moses commanded; and it did not stink, nor were there any worms in it. 25 Then Moses said, “Eat that today, for today is a Sabbath to the Lord; today you will not find it in the field. 26 Six days you shall gather it, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, there will be none.”
But even so you could not answer how David could invade the temple and eat the show bread. Still: a greater covenant was at hand. David represented a kingly priest, the kind that was promised from the covenant between God and God.
You were to store up enough food BEFORE the sabbath.
This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.
So they laid it up till morning, as Moses commanded; and it did not stink, nor were there any worms in it. 25 Then Moses said, “Eat that today, for today is a Sabbath to the Lord; today you will not find it in the field. 26 Six days you shall gather it, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, there will be none.”
But even so you could not answer how David could invade the temple and eat the show bread. Still: a greater covenant was at hand. David represented a kingly priest, the kind that was promised from the covenant between God and God.
No it was because the priests who violated the sabbath were blameless because they were serving in the temple, The disciples were serving something greater than the temple
But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day. But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him; How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests? Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple. But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless. For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day. Matthew 12:2-8
But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day. But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him; How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests? Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple. But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless. For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day. Matthew 12:2-8
You left out some context....
Exo 16:22 And so it was, on the sixth day, that they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for each one. And all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses.
They gathered a double proportion on Friday, the Preparation Day for the Sabbath, so they could eat on the Sabbath.
The apostles were not harvesting grain, they were picking the tops and eating because they were hungry, which Jesus said they were guiltless Mat 12:7 because its not a sin to eat on the Sabbath
Exo 16:22 And so it was, on the sixth day, that they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for each one. And all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses.
They gathered a double proportion on Friday, the Preparation Day for the Sabbath, so they could eat on the Sabbath.
The apostles were not harvesting grain, they were picking the tops and eating because they were hungry, which Jesus said they were guiltless Mat 12:7 because its not a sin to eat on the Sabbath
No context needed. If they adhered to the Law of Sinai they would not have been hungry or needed to gather grain from the fields.
Seems like such an oversight for the Lord of the Sabbath, no? But it wasn't. Jesus knew His Father and knew, just like David knew, that a Father always provides for His Son. This is counter to "needing to provide for yourself".
Seems like such an oversight for the Lord of the Sabbath, no? But it wasn't. Jesus knew His Father and knew, just like David knew, that a Father always provides for His Son. This is counter to "needing to provide for yourself".
There is nothing in the Sabbath commandment about not eating food on the Sabbath
Exodus 20:8-11
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
Just like it wasn't a sin to help people or an animal in need on the Sabbath. Another accusation from the Pharisees.
Jesus said they were guiltless Mat 12:7 not because Jesus bended the rules for His disciples and is and is a hypocrite as He condemned the Pharisees for breaking God's commandments from the same unit of Ten.
You can believe what you want, but siding with the Pharisees is not going to work out so well Mat 5:20
Exodus 20:8-11
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
Just like it wasn't a sin to help people or an animal in need on the Sabbath. Another accusation from the Pharisees.
Jesus said they were guiltless Mat 12:7 not because Jesus bended the rules for His disciples and is and is a hypocrite as He condemned the Pharisees for breaking God's commandments from the same unit of Ten.
You can believe what you want, but siding with the Pharisees is not going to work out so well Mat 5:20
They were eating because they were hungry
Mat 12:1 At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. And His disciples were hungry, and began to pluck heads of grain and to eat.
Which is not a sin. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath because He is the Creator of it Gen 2:1-3 Exo 20:11 and if anyone knew how to keep the Sabbath, would be the one who Created it and all heaven and earth. They weren't even in the temple, they were outside. No one said they weren't serving the Lord.
Mat 12:1 At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. And His disciples were hungry, and began to pluck heads of grain and to eat.
Which is not a sin. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath because He is the Creator of it Gen 2:1-3 Exo 20:11 and if anyone knew how to keep the Sabbath, would be the one who Created it and all heaven and earth. They weren't even in the temple, they were outside. No one said they weren't serving the Lord.
They weren't gathering grain or harvesting grain, they were walking with the Lord and plucking the heads because they were hungry
Mat 12:1 At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. And His disciples were hungry, and began to pluck heads of grain and to eat.
No different than gathering a piece of fruit from the garden and eating on the Sabbath, not a sin. Jesus said it wasn't Mat 12:7 so I believe Him versus He and the apostles accusers. Mark 3:2
Mat 12:1 At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. And His disciples were hungry, and began to pluck heads of grain and to eat.
No different than gathering a piece of fruit from the garden and eating on the Sabbath, not a sin. Jesus said it wasn't Mat 12:7 so I believe Him versus He and the apostles accusers. Mark 3:2
It was never a sin to eat on the Sabbath. David was eating bread because he was starving and running for his life from King Saul and the bread was normally reserved for the priests , but it wasn't a sin and not against the Sabbath commandment. The Pharisees had many laws they added to God's law, something we were told not to do. Deut 4:2
Of course it was. It was against the law. Only priests were allowed by law to eat the showbread in the temple. David was not a priest and he took the showbread out of the temple, yet he was held blameless by God. Doesn't that make the circuits in your legalistic, righteousness-is-by-the-letter mind smoke?
Not the law of God. Jesus was never a hypocrite condemning the Pharisees for breaking the commandments of God but letting it slide for His apostles and for Himself.
I have never said righteousness is by the letter, it through the Spirit which is greater than the letter, not lessor. If one is breaking the letter, they most certainly are not keeping the Spirit
1 John 3:24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
I have never said righteousness is by the letter, it through the Spirit which is greater than the letter, not lessor. If one is breaking the letter, they most certainly are not keeping the Spirit
1 John 3:24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
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