the Sabbath

[Magenta]

Amen! And the summary does not delete the details.

Romans 13:8 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. 9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” [b]“You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Do you still sacrificially slaughter lambs and bulls? Or have you deleted that detail/law (instruction)/command?

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Do you still sacrificially slaughter lambs and bulls? Or have you deleted that detail?

In the New Covenant we no longer sacrifice animals for sin (breaking God's law) because Jesus became our Sacrificial Lamb for sin. Heb 10:1-22 So instead of bringing an animal to a human priest when we sin, we can go directly to Jesus who is now our High Priest Heb 7 for the forgiveness of sins. What has not changed is what defines sin- breaking God's law. Romans 7:7 Mat 5:19-30 and our salvation is from sin Mat 1:21

 

[Magenta]

In the New Covenant we no longer sacrifice animals for sin (breaking God's law) because Jesus became our Sacrificial Lamb for sin. Heb 10:1-22 So instead of bringing an animal to a human priest when we sin, we can go directly to Jesus who is now our High Priest Heb 7 for the forgiveness of sins. What has not changed is what defines sin- breaking God's law. Romans 7:7 Mat 5:19-30 and our salvation is from sin Mat 1:21

Our salvation is from the second death. Are you saying you no longer sin?

The law remains to condemn those not saved by grace through faith in the shed
righteous blood of Jesus Christ, which reconciles us to God... not law keeping.

Jesus fulfilled all the laws, not just the sacrificial ones.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Our salvation is from the second death. Are you saying you no longer sin?

The law remains to condemn those not saved by grace through faith in the shed
righteous blood of Jesus Christ, which reconciles us to God... not law keeping.

Jesus fulfilled all the laws, not just the sacrificial ones.

I am saying when and if I sin, I go to Jesus for forgiveness and sanctification. 1 John 1:9

The law is so we can see our sins Romans 7:7 Romans 3:20 1 John 3:4 so we are not depending on our righteousness, but God's Psa 119:172.

If we don't see our sins, than we cover them and therefore can't prosper Pro 28:13 by going to Jesus seeking forgiveness when we are sorry and have a change of heart, which means a change of direction so we can receive His mercy, grace and sanctification. Its when we live with unrepented sin and think its okay, is a dangerous place to be. Heb 10:26-30

Jesus fulfilled the laws in that He lived them out to be our example. He made it clear not one jot or tittle could be removed from His law and if we break or teach others to break the least of these commandments- comes with a warning, that many people gloss over for some reason. Mat 5:18-30

The only laws that ended were the earthy priesthood and the sacrificial laws and the laws contained in ordinances. Col 2:14 Eph 3:15 Hebrews 7, Hebrews 9 Hebrews 10 The law that defines sin and what we will be judged by is kept by His faithful until the very end of time. James 2:10-12 Rev 12:17 Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14

I am okay agreeing to disagree, but Jesus in His own Words said His law never ended Mat 7:21-23. I just do not know how Christians can believe that we can now worship other gods, vain His holy name, covet murder or break any of His holy commandments and be in Christ. Jesus said If you love Me- keep My commandments and to live by His every Word. Thats where my faith lies but God gives us free will to test any theory we want.

 

[Dino246]

I don't under the concept of spending time with God on the only day God set aside, blessed, sanctified and made holy for Him Isa 58:13 and for man Exo 20:8 could ever be a burden.

You’re missing the point.

 

[Magenta]

I am saying when and if I sin, I go to Jesus for forgiveness and sanctification. 1 John 1:9

The law is so we can see our sins Romans 7:7 Romans 3:20 1 John 3:4 so we are not depending on our righteousness, but God's Psa 119:172.

If we don't see our sins, than we cover them and therefore can't prosper Pro 28:13 by going to Jesus seeking forgiveness when we are sorry and have a change of heart, which means a change of direction so we can receive His mercy, grace and sanctification. Its when we live with unrepented sin and think its okay, is a dangerous place to be. Heb 10:26-30

Jesus fulfilled the laws in that He lived them out to be our example. He made it clear not one jot or tittle could be removed from His law and if we break or teach others to break the least of these commandments- comes with a warning, that many people gloss over for some reason. Mat 5:18-30

The only laws that ended were the earthy priesthood and the sacrificial laws and the laws contained in ordinances. Col 2:14 Eph 3:15 Hebrews 7, Hebrews 9 Hebrews 10 The law that defines sin and what we will be judged by is kept by His faithful until the very end of time. James 2:10-12 Rev 12:17 Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14

I am okay agreeing to disagree, but Jesus in His own Words said His law never ended Mat 7:21-23. I just do not know how Christians can believe that we can now worship other gods, vain His holy name, covet murder or break any of His holy commandments and be in Christ. Jesus said If you love Me- keep My commandments and to live by His every Word. Thats where my faith lies but God gives us free will to test any theory we want.

Jesus fulfilled the law, and nobody else can. You pick and choose which laws to follow, whereas Sabbath-keeping was not in any place given as a command in the NT. The law has not ended because it remains to condemn those not saved by grace through faith in His shed righteous blood. I am not sure what part of that you do not understand. Or what part of, whoever loves others has fulfilled the law, you don't grasp. Really, it seems you have made an idol of Sabbath-keeping. Following Jesus' example, we work on any day, and worship every day.

 

[Inquisitor]

The ceremonial/ordinances law ended at the Cross- see Heb 9, 10. The Ten Commandments didn't which is why we see in the life of Jesus and the apostles.

Gluttony is a sin- anything we place above God is a sin and breaks the very first commandment.

Still unsure as to what you mean?

Do the ordinances define sin also or is it only the 10 commandments that define sin?

You seem to be saying that Jesus fulfilled the law and Jesus didn't fulfill the law?

So confusing.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Still unsure as to what you mean?

Do the ordinances define sin also or is it only the 10 commandments that define sin?

You seem to be saying that Jesus fulfilled the law and Jesus didn't fulfill the law?

So confusing.

The only law in scripture that points to define sin is the Ten Commandments. Romans 7:7 Mat 5:19-30 as it will be what we are judged on -breaking one we break them all James 2:10-12 Ecc 12:13-14 Mat 5:18-30 Rev 22:14-15. Hence why God didn't leave it up to man to write His holy commandments- He did personally and it is placed under His mercy seat that is revealed in heaven Rev 11:19

The word fulfill can mean different things. For example, when I fulfill my wedding covenant- does that allow me to commit adultery or am I faithful to my husband and fill-full my covenant to be faithful. Mat 5:17 means to fill-full- Jesus lived out the law to be our example Heb 4:15 1 John 2:6 1 Peter 1:21-23 otherwise Jesus contradicts Himself telling us not to break the least of these commandments quoting from the Ten as one would be least in heaven. Mat 5:19-30

The laws that ended had to do with the earthy sanctuary system that was a placeholder and pointed forward to Jesus who became our Sacrificial Lamb for the forgiveness of sins. Hebrews 10:1-22There is no scripture that says the law that defines sin ended -if that law could end, then Jesus didn't have to sacrifice Himself. Instead of sacrificing animals for sin, we can go directly to Jesus, but it is still a sin to worship other gods, vain His holy name, murder or covet or break the least of these according to Jesus and why His faithful keep these commandments through love and faith until the very end of time. John 14:15 1 John 5:3 Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Jesus fulfilled the law, and nobody else can. You pick and choose which laws to follow, whereas Sabbath-keeping was not in any place given as a command in the NT. The law has not ended because it remains to condemn those not saved by grace through faith in His shed righteous blood. I am not sure what part of that you do not understand. Or what part of, whoever loves others has fulfilled the law, you don't grasp. Really, it seems you have made an idol of Sabbath-keeping. Following Jesus' example, we work on any day, and worship every day.

I didn't write the Sabbath commandment- God did with His own finger, spoke it with His own voice and the one commandment God said Remember. God said the Sabbath is on the seventh day Exo 20:10 and we are to do work and labors on the first 6 days Exo 20:9. God only made one day holy, only blessed one day and only sanctified one day. If you feel your worship should be on the day God said to do work and labors instead of the day God set aside and made holy for us Exo 20:8 and from Him Isa 58:13 I guess you will need to answer to Him about that.

Eze 22:26 26 Her priests have violated My law and profaned My holy things; they have not distinguished between the holy and unholy, nor have they made known the difference between the unclean and the clean; and they have hidden their eyes from My Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them.

Cain thought he could worship God the way he wanted too and it didn't work out so well for him .

For me, I choose to obey Jesus and live by every Word the proceeds from the mouth of God Mat 4:4

Guess we will have to agree to disagree.

 

[Magenta]

I didn't write the Sabbath commandment- God did with His own finger, spoke it with His own voice and the one commandment God said Remember. God said the Sabbath is on the seventh day Exo 20:10 and we are to do work and labors on the first 6 days Exo 20:9. God only made one day holy, only blessed one day and only sanctified one day. If you feel your worship should be on the day God said to do work and labors instead of the day God set aside and made holy for us Exo 20:8 and from Him Isa 58:13 I guess you will need to answer to Him about that.

Eze 22:26 26 Her priests have violated My law and profaned My holy things; they have not distinguished between the holy and unholy, nor have they made known the difference between the unclean and the clean; and they have hidden their eyes from My Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them.

Cain thought he could worship God the way he wanted too and it didn't work out so well for him .

For me, I choose to obey Jesus and live by every Word the proceeds from the mouth of God Mat 4:4

Guess we will have to agree to disagree.

It seems your comprehension suffers, since I specifically said, worship every day. You will need
to answer to God about all your erroneous assumptions and false accusations. Will you?
By the way, I am semi-retired and grateful not to work five days a week any more.
Three is wonderful. And I never did work six days a week, except when I was
a waitress, before I pursued my dream job and God granted it to me.
That was forty-eight years ago. Do you work six a days a week?

 

[SabbathBlessing]

It seems your comprehension suffers, since I specifically said, worship every day. You will need
to answer to God about all your erroneous assumptions and false accusations. Will you?
By the way, I am semi-retired and grateful not to work five days a week any more.
Three is wonderful. And I never did work six days a week, except when I was
a waitress, before I pursued my dream job and God granted it to me.
That was forty-eight years ago. Do you work six a days a week?

Works and labors could be anything- household work or secular work. God only asked us to set aside one full day a week, the seventh day Sabbath to be dedicated to Him. Exo 20:8-11 Isa 58:13 all other days are for work and labors Exo 20:9

We should worship God everyday, but that doesn't mean we don't have the moral obligation to obey the 4th commandment.

Anway, thanks for the chat- take care!

 

[Magenta]

Works and labors could be anything- household work or secular work. God only asked us to set aside one full day a week, the seventh day Sabbath to be dedicated to Him. Exo 20:8-11 Isa 58:13 all other days are for work and labors Exo 20:9

We should worship God everyday, but that doesn't mean we don't have the moral obligation to obey the 4th commandment.

Anway, thanks for the chat- take care!

You evaded answering my question. Jesus worked every day. And said God continued to, also.

We had one Sabbath-pusher telling us that worshipping God any other day was breaking a commandment.

How ridiculous is that? That's what your arguments amount to.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

You evaded answering my question. Jesus worked every day. And said Gd continued to, also.

We have been through this- Jesus wasn't doing secular work therefore He was not sinning or violating the Sabbath.

God gave us a commandment- we are to serve Him regardless what He does. He however kept the Sabbath commandment and all of the commandments and is our example to follow.

 

[Magenta]

We have been through this- Jesus wasn't doing secular work therefore He was not sinning or violating the Sabbath.

God gave us a commandment- we are to serve Him regardless what He does. He however kept the Sabbath commandment and all of the commandments and is our example to follow.

Secular work? You make up terms not found in the Bible. Pulling a donkey out of
a ditch sounds secular, though. Jesus condoned working on the Sabbath day.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Ok.

Jesus said we should- If you love Me keep My commandments. John 14:15 Jesus condemned those who kept their rules over the commandments of God teaching not to break or teach others to break the least of these. Mat 15:3-9 Mat 7:7-8 Mat 5:18-30. My faith is going to trust His teachings and know He would never lead us down the wrong path and if He asks us to keep something, its because it for our own good. Faith does not make void the law but establishes it. Romans 3:31

Just curious if you have ever read Matthew 15 and Mark 7 to see what Jesus condemned of the Pharisees. It wasn't for keeping the commandments of God- He condemned them for not keeping them but living by their standard instead.

lol

Same nonsense

If we love him, do what he says Amen.

Thats different than saying if we love him, Fulfill the law.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Secular work? You make up terms not found in the Bible. Pulling a donkey out of
a ditch sounds secular, though. Jesus condoned working on the Sabbath day.

Leaving a donkey in a ditch is cruel, Jesus is not cruel. Doing good on the Sabbath is not secular work. If Jesus did secular work He would have sinned and could not have been our Savior.

 

[Magenta]

Leaving a donkey in a ditch is cruel, Jesus is not cruel. Doing good on the Sabbath is not secular work. If Jesus did secular work He would have sinned and could not have been our Savior.

Oy, make it up as you go along, eh? Yeah, Jesus condoned work on the
Sabbath no matter what terms you decide to make up to account for it.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Its what the Pharisees thought too. That Jesus sinned i.e. worked and broke the Sabbath. Jesus in His own Words said He didn't. John 15:10 John 8:46-47

 

[rrcn]

There is a good debate on Sabbath observance available on youtube. Check this link.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

It seems your comprehension suffers, since I specifically said, worship every day. You will need
to answer to God about all your erroneous assumptions and false accusations. Will you?
By the way, I am semi-retired and grateful not to work five days a week any more.
Three is wonderful. And I never did work six days a week, except when I was
a waitress, before I pursued my dream job and God granted it to me.
That was forty-eight years ago. Do you work six a days a week?

Sorry about my post. I just re-read it. I usually try not to make anything personal. I meant to say "our worship" not "your worship" so I can see how that may have been offensive and it was not my intention. My apologies if it came across that way.