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The Pharisees were keeping keeping traditions and disregarding the law. You may see churches throughout Christian history, that follow tradition, more so, than following what Jesus said.

The Lord of the Sabbath will decide if the hunger of the disciples, is more important than the law.

Jesus overlooks so much in His unconditional love for us.

The eternal law has always been God's love for us and our love of God.

It was never really about the letter of the law, Israel failed before, during, and after the law was given.

Love for others always towers above everything else.
Jesus forgives when we confess and repent 1 John 1:9 which means a change in direction, which is a big difference than God overlooks rebellion and disobedience. Jesus said otherwise Mat 7:21-23 Rev 22:14-15

Sin separated us from God Isa 59:2 and we are told not to follow the same path of disobedience Heb 4:11 so its not wise that we can follow the same path and expect a different result. If we love Jesus why would we not want to do everything he asks of us or follow the example He left. 1 John 2:6
 

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The Sabbath goes back to Creation- God said so.

This is God personally writing:

Exodus 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

And continues on for all the saints for eternity Isa 66:22-23

God's people keep God's commandments Rev 14:12 and so did Abraham Gen 26:5 as he is one of God's people

God kept the Sabbath, Jesus kept the Sabbath, His faithful followers kept the Sabbath and the apostles kept the Sabbath- seems like the group to be in.

You can believe what you want- all gets sorted out soon enough
The rest is eternal. Time ends so the day ends.
 

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The rest is eternal. Time ends so the day ends.
I prefer to obey the way God asks. We have free will though.

Time is very much relevant today. God doesn't ask for much- He gave us 6 days to do all our works and labors Exo 20:9 and only asked for one back dedicated to Him, the seventh day. Exo 20:8-11, Isa 58:13 to bless and sanctify us Eze 20:12 as we can't sanctify ourselves.

God gave Adam and Eve the entire garden, but only asked not to eat from one tree. Their disobedience separated them from Him and following that same path and expecting a different result I do not believe is wise.
 

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It really helps to understand Paul's writting if you realize the differences in the laws. There are times when all laws and principles are referred to as "the law" but many times it helps to understand which law is being referred to.
There are 4 main laws in the bible and they all come from one foundermental law..
The character of God which is LOVE.
God is merciful and Just and righteous.
You can't remove these character traits..

The laws are ....His moral laws
...the civil laws
...the cerimonial laws
...and the laws of nature.

Time is a law of nature and does not change,
The civil laws were the way the government dealt with people.
The moral laws define sin.
And the cerimonial laws were given to show and direct people to Christ and the way He would save us.

God does not change. His character has not changed.
The civil laws are lacking God's guidance.
The cerimonial laws were nailed to the cross because Jesus has taken there place.
The moral laws are the same today. Defining sin and transgression.
The laws of nature are still in effect.

Gal 3:18-26
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. 19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. 21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. 22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Knowing that the moral law defines sin and si was before Abraham then this added law must be the cerimonial laws that are a schoolmaster pointing to Jesus.
You have contradicted yourself TMS.

Using the text you quoted (Galatians 3:18-26).

Verse 19, "It was added because of transgressions", it was added because of sin.

What was added because of sin, the law was added because of sin.

According to your traditional interpretation, the moral law was added that defines sin. Added because of transgression, added because of sin. This is the clearest declaration by Paul, that the moral was added because of sin.

The law was Paul's school master to bring Paul to Christ. Would a ceremonial law reveal Paul's need for a savior?

Of course not, the law that was added that brought Paul to Jesus, was the moral law. Paul tells us in Romans chapter seven that

Romans 7:8
But sin, taking an opportunity through the commandment, produced in me coveting of every kind; for apart from the Law sin is dead. 9 I was once alive apart from the Law; but when the commandment came, sin came to life, and I died; 10 and this commandment, which was to result in life, proved to result in death for me; 11 for sin, taking an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me, and through it, killed me. 12 So then, the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.

The law that was added because of sin, the 10 commandments, and Paul died.

The law was added because of transgression, because of sin, the ten commandments was added.

The contradiction.
 

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The Sabbath goes back to Creation- God said so.

This is God personally writing:

Exodus 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

And continues on for all the saints for eternity Isa 66:22-23

God's people keep God's commandments Rev 14:12 and so did Abraham Gen 26:5 as he is one of God's people

God kept the Sabbath, Jesus kept the Sabbath, His faithful followers kept the Sabbath and the apostles kept the Sabbath- seems like the group to be in.

You can believe what you want- all gets sorted out soon enough
God blessed the SEVENTH day (with no sabbath law for the Israelites to keep until Exodus 16). Jesus kept the Sabbath under the Law (Galatians 4:4) and so did the Israelites under the law. (Exodus 31:16-17) I already covered Isaiah 66:22-23 with you multiple times and Genesis 26:5 does not state which commandments that Abraham kept. Your eisegesis does not line up with scripture.

Look at Deuteronomy 5:1-15 which gives the commandments to Israel. 2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. 3 The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, those who are here today, all of us who are alive.

Nehemiah 9:13 - “Then You came down on Mount Sinai and spoke with them from heaven; You gave them just ordinances and true laws, good statutes and commandments. 14 “So You made known to them Your holy sabbath, and laid down for them commandments, statutes and law, through Your servant Moses.

As for Revelation 14:12 see link below:

https://www.nonsda.org/study8.shtml
 

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You have contradicted yourself TMS.

Using the text you quoted (Galatians 3:18-26).

Verse 19, "It was added because of transgressions", it was added because of sin.

What was added because of sin, the law was added because of sin.

According to your traditional interpretation, the moral law was added that defines sin. Added because of transgression, added because of sin. This is the clearest declaration by Paul, that the moral was added because of sin.

The law was Paul's school master to bring Paul to Christ. Would a ceremonial law reveal Paul's need for a savior?

Of course not, the law that was added that brought Paul to Jesus, was the moral law. Paul tells us in Romans chapter seven that

Romans 7:8
But sin, taking an opportunity through the commandment, produced in me coveting of every kind; for apart from the Law sin is dead. 9 I was once alive apart from the Law; but when the commandment came, sin came to life, and I died; 10 and this commandment, which was to result in life, proved to result in death for me; 11 for sin, taking an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me, and through it, killed me. 12 So then, the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.

The law that was added because of sin, the 10 commandments, and Paul died.

The law was added because of transgression, because of sin, the ten commandments was added.

The contradiction.
You can't have the law that defines sin (the Ten Commandments) be the same law that was added because of sin, which is breaking God's law.

This is the law that defines sin Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”

Cain knew it was sin when he murdered Abel. Where there is no law, there is no transgression (sin)

Romans 4:15 because the law brings about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression.

Sin is the transgression of God's law

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Which law? The one God personally wrote and spoke

Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”


 

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I prefer to obey the way God asks. We have free will though.

Time is very much relevant today. God doesn't ask for much- He gave us 6 days to do all our works and labors Exo 20:9 and only asked for one back dedicated to Him, the seventh day. Exo 20:8-11, Isa 58:13 to bless and sanctify us Eze 20:12 as we can't sanctify ourselves.

God gave Adam and Eve the entire garden, but only asked not to eat from one tree. Their disobedience separated them from Him and following that same path and expecting a different result I do not believe is wise.
My point was that the physical day of rest always pointed to the eternal and spiritual rest. Things that are seen always point to the unseen.
Every Christian desires to obey God. Virtue signaling or insinuating that others aren't doing something is a poor arguing tactic. It disrespects the other person. If you find Sabbath keeping a blessing, then by all means make it your practice. But binding the conscience of another through manipulation doesn't honor God.
 

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My point was that the physical day of rest always pointed to the eternal and spiritual rest. Things that are seen always point to the unseen.
Every Christian desires to obey God. Virtue signaling or insinuating that others aren't doing something is a poor arguing tactic. It disrespects the other person. If you find Sabbath keeping a blessing, then by all means make it your practice. But binding the conscience of another through manipulation doesn't honor God.
There is no scripture that says what your claiming, as I said we have free will.
 

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There is no scripture that says what your claiming, as I said we have free will.
Romans 1 says the unseen is known by what was made. Time will one day end. What specifically did I share that you believe cannot be found in scripture?
 

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The Sabbath goes back to Creation- God said so.

This is God personally writing:

Exodus 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

And continues on for all the saints for eternity Isa 66:22-23

God's people keep God's commandments Rev 14:12 and so did Abraham Gen 26:5 as he is one of God's people

God kept the Sabbath, Jesus kept the Sabbath, His faithful followers kept the Sabbath and the apostles kept the Sabbath- seems like the group to be in.

You can believe what you want- all gets sorted out soon enough
The Sabbath may go back to creation but the Sabbath law itself, dates from the Exodus. There is a difference between unwritten rules and the letter of the law.

Once the decree from God regarding the Sabbath was written, given to Israel. Then the 'law of the Sabbath' was established, given to Israel, and the foreigner within the gates of Israel. Then we all know, when the Sabbath law actually began.

So we can disregard all traditional interpretations of the text. By traditional interpretations I mean, Catholic, Reformed, Methodist, SDA, etc.

The 10 commandments as law, were never eternal, THE LAW began at Exodus.

That is what the scripture declares. The Sabbath Law did not exist before Exodus. Focus on 'THE LAW'.
 

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The Sabbath may go back to creation but the Sabbath law itself, dates from the Exodus. There is a difference between unwritten rules and the letter of the law.

Once the decree from God regarding the Sabbath was written, given to Israel. Then the 'law of the Sabbath' was established, given to Israel, and the foreigner within the gates of Israel. Then we all know, when the Sabbath law actually began.

So we can disregard all traditional interpretations of the text. By traditional interpretations I mean, Catholic, Reformed, Methodist, SDA, etc.

The 10 commandments as law, were never eternal, THE LAW began at Exodus.

That is what the scripture declares. The Sabbath Law did not exist before Exodus. Focus on 'THE LAW'.
Christ said it was for everyone-Isa 56:6 Mark 2:27 Christ doesn't only want to bless the Jews- He wants to sanctify and bless all, but He asks for obedience. Exo 20:6 John 14:15 and to follow His example. 1 John 2:6. The teaching we are to follow Christ except for Sabbath-keeping is not a biblical argument.

Cain had the law not to not murder as he knew it was sin, where there is no law there is no sin Rom 4:15 therefore he had God's law. We know where thou shalt not murder came from. Exo 20 Sin is the transgression of God's law therefore Adam and Eve had the Ten Commandments as they sinned too. No law- no transgression Romans 4:15
 

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Jesus forgives when we confess and repent 1 John 1:9 which means a change in direction, which is a big difference than God overlooks rebellion and disobedience. Jesus said otherwise Mat 7:21-23 Rev 22:14-15

Sin separated us from God Isa 59:2 and we are told not to follow the same path of disobedience Heb 4:11 so its not wise that we can follow the same path and expect a different result. If we love Jesus why would we not want to do everything he asks of us or follow the example He left. 1 John 2:6
God overlooks your sin, rebellion, disobedience, every day of the week.

What makes your sinful ways better than the rest of the sinners?

Please understand, no one is righteous, no one is a good person.

Jesus overlooked everything, every day, with the disciples.

There is no question about your relentless, habitual, sinful life.

Does God wink at sin, well, yes He does. God should have destroyed you a long time ago.

Don't ever, ever, point the finger at anyone else for their sin.
 

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God blessed the SEVENTH day (with no sabbath law for the Israelites to keep until Exodus 16). Jesus kept the Sabbath under the Law (Galatians 4:4) and so did the Israelites under the law. (Exodus 31:16-17) I already covered Isaiah 66:22-23 with you multiple times and Genesis 26:5 does not state which commandments that Abraham kept. Your eisegesis does not line up with scripture.

Look at Deuteronomy 5:1-15 which gives the commandments to Israel. 2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. 3 The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, those who are here today, all of us who are alive.

Nehemiah 9:13 - “Then You came down on Mount Sinai and spoke with them from heaven; You gave them just ordinances and true laws, good statutes and commandments. 14 “So You made known to them Your holy sabbath, and laid down for them commandments, statutes and law, through Your servant Moses.

As for Revelation 14:12 see link below:

https://www.nonsda.org/study8.shtml
God never made a nationwide covenant until Sinai- that's why it was different. Before it was with individuals.

God also have the Ten Commandments to Israel through Moses- God wrote and spoke them personally, not Moses.

Exodus 32:16 Now the tablets were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God engraved on the tablets.
 

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Christ said it was for everyone-Isa 56:6 Mark 2:27 Christ doesn't only want to bless the Jews- He wants to sanctify and bless all, but He asks for obedience. Exo 20:6 John 14:15 and to follow His example. 1 John 2:6. The teaching we are to follow Christ except for Sabbath-keeping is not a biblical argument.

Cain had the law not to not murder as he knew it was sin, where there is no law there is no sin Rom 4:15 therefore he had God's law. We know where thou shalt not murder came from. Exo 20 Sin is the transgression of God's law therefore Adam and Eve had the Ten Commandments as they sinned too. No law- no transgression Romans 4:15
Cain did not have the written law.

Cain had broken the eternal law, love of God and others.

There is an immense difference between written law and the love of others.

1 John 3:11-12
For this is the message which you have heard from the beginning,
that we are to love one another; not as Cain, who was of the evil one and murdered his brother.
 

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You can't have the law that defines sin (the Ten Commandments) be the same law that was added because of sin, which is breaking God's law.

This is the law that defines sin Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”

Cain knew it was sin when he murdered Abel. Where there is no law, there is no transgression (sin)

Romans 4:15 because the law brings about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression.

Sin is the transgression of God's law

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Which law? The one God personally wrote and spoke

Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”
1 John 3:11-12
For this is the message which you have heard from the beginning, that we are to love one another; not as Cain, who was of the evil one and murdered his brother.
 

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God overlooks your sin, rebellion, disobedience, every day of the week.

What makes your sinful ways better than the rest of the sinners?

Please understand, no one is righteous, no one is a good person.

Jesus overlooked everything, every day, with the disciples.

There is no question about your relentless, habitual, sinful life.

Does God wink at sin, well, yes He does. God should have destroyed you a long time ago.

Don't ever, ever, point the finger at anyone else for their sin.
I was pointing out what the bible says is sin.

Sin is sin, but scripture tells us to repent and confess our sins, which means a change of heart and direction. 1 John 1:9

There is no scripture that says God winks at all sins, He said in times of ignorance Acts 17:30 meaning if one truly doesn't know. But once we know, we should not make haste in obeying God. Psalm 119:60

Our salvation is from sin Mat 1:21, not in sin. Sin is breaking God's law. 1 John 3:4 Romans 7:7. Jesus tells us to teach each other the commandments Mat 5:19 because its what we will all be judged by James 2:10-12 regardless if we accept it or not. What we do with it is up to us though.
 

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1 John 3:11-12
For this is the message which you have heard from the beginning, that we are to love one another; not as Cain, who was of the evil one and murdered his brother.
Thanks this further proves the point that Cain knew it was murder to kill Abel and would only know that through the law. Romans 4:15 where there is no law, there is no sin. Cain knew it was sin to kill Abel Genesis 4:7 therefore he was given God's law.
 

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Thanks this further proves the point that Cain knew it was murder to kill Abel and would only know that through the law.
He could have known through conscience or because the result of sin...the knowledge of good and evil.
 
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Sorry, not sure what you're referring to. This is when God says is His Sabbath day.

Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.
A day to the Lord is as a 1000 years.Not a 24 hour period.