the Sabbath

[Shilohsfoal]

The Sabbath was made for man. Mark 2:27 A day to man is a 24 hour period.

If that were the case then all these men would be pretty disappointed.But something tells me you are wrong and they won't be disappointed.



6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.


They will be keeping the Sabbath day holy while your still judging people over the Sabbath.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

5 more years from my calculations.Dont forget the Sabbath.

Luke 13:32
He said to them, “Go tell that fox, ‘Look, I’m driving out demons and performing healings today and tomorrow, and on the third day I will complete my work.’

 

[SabbathBlessing]

If that were the case then all these men would be pretty disappointed.But something tells me you are wrong and they won't be disappointed.



6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.


They will be keeping the Sabbath day holy while your still judging people over the Sabbath.

I have never judged anyone that's not my job, sharing scripture is not judging. Keeping the Sabbath is part of the Ten Commandments that God judges man 2 Corinthians 5:10 James 2;10-12

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I have never judged anyone that's not my job, sharing scripture is not judging. Keeping the Sabbath is part of the Ten Commandments that God judges man 2 Corinthians 5:10 James 2;10-12

Good ,because the Sabbath is but of a shadow of things to come.


Colossians 2


16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Good ,because the Sabbath is but of a shadow of things to come.


Colossians 2


16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

The annual sabbath(s) ordinances yes, Col 2:14, not the weekly Sabbath commandment that was written personally by God. The weekly Sabbath points us back to Creation "Remember" because it already happened Exo 20:11. Only God can reverse His blessing and commandments- Jesus said heaven and earth would pass before one jot or tittle can be removed from His law. Heaven and earth are still here therefore we are told not to break the least of these commandments Mat 5:18-30

 

[Shilohsfoal]

The annual sabbath(s) ordinances yes, Col 2:14, not the weekly Sabbath commandment that was written personally by God. The weekly Sabbath points us back to Creation "Remember" because it already happened Exo 20:11. Only God can reverse His blessing and commandments- Jesus said heaven and earth would pass before one jot or tittle can be removed from His law. Heaven and earth are still here therefore we are told not to break the least of these commandments Mat 5:18-30

The creation days was a preview to the future.
They were never about 24 hour days.
The Sabbath is fast approaching...

I suppose not everyone would understand .You've never read the general epistle of Barnabas ,have you?

 

[TMS]

According to your traditional interpretation, the moral law was added that defines sin. Added because of transgression, added because of sin. This is the clearest declaration by Paul, that the moral was added because of sin.

No..
Prove this please...

The laws like circumcision and sacrifices and ceremonial laws were added because of sin.
Sin is the transgression of the moral law.
The moral law has always been there to define sin.

Once sin became practiced, God introduced more laws to help us understand sin and the solution.

 

[TMS]

The law was Paul's school master to bring Paul to Christ. Would a ceremonial law reveal Paul's need for a savior?

Of course not, the law that was added that brought Paul to Jesus, was the moral law. Paul tells us in Romans chapter seven that

The teacher that can help us all is the cerimonial laws.... eg. The day of atonement.. they brought a lamb and their sins were transfered onto the lamb. The blood went into the holy place and placed on the vail... the high priest killed the goat and used its blood to clean the sanctuary of all the sins and place them on the scape goat.. the the sanctuary is cleaned and our sins are forgiven...
This is the the type of what is happening in heaven with the blood of Jesus.

We can learn so much if we study the details of the types that God gives Israel as cerimonial laws.

The moral laws have always been. When Cain killed Abel it was a sin. Adultery has always been a sin. Lying has always been a sin.. you can't say they were added.

 

[TMS]

There is an immense difference between written law and the love of others.

Rom 13:8-10 KJV 8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

 

[TMS]

Thanks this further proves the point that Cain knew it was murder to kill Abel and would only know that through the law. Romans 4:15 where there is no law, there is no sin. Cain knew it was sin to kill Abel Genesis 4:7 therefore he was given God's law.

True
Cain was given God's law. We can't understand the state or way it was given but I know they had great memories and 20 times brighter then we are today. But God gave them an understanding of the law so they could understand what was sin.

 

[TMS]

According to your traditional interpretation, the moral law was added that defines sin

No the moral law has always been

The morals of God, God's character defines the moral laws and they do not change.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

You need to stop conflating the old and new covenants and learn how to rightly divide the word of truth.

You mean, in "The Simplicity Of Christ," like this?:

prophecy / OC / law, for earthly Israel = "lost sheep" who are Commanded
to repent / believe "the gospel Of The Kingdom" (Mark 1:14-15)
faith PLUS works (Mark 16:16; Luke 7:29-30; James 1:1, 2:17, 26)

God Appointed Moses as administrator, Jesus Came/Kept Law Perfectly,
chose Twelve to make disciples/baptizing them, commanding them to
teach the new disciples to "observe ALL things whatsoever I Have
Commanded you" (Matthew 28:19-20), Including Matthew 23:1-3:

"Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,​

Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:​

All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe​

and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not."​

(compare Jews 'zealous' obedience to Christ's Commands Acts 20:21)​

Sabbath = a "sign" to the children of Israel (Exo 31:13: Eze 20:12, 20)

(OT, Matthew-Acts 7, where "Israel Fell!") = God Has:

prophecy "diminishing and Put On HOLD!"

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ!” (online):

Mystery Begins [ Note: Acts 8-28 shows prophecy 'diminishing' in
Transition Over to Grace ]:

(Acts 9 - Romans - Philemon:
( Parenthetical ) Dispensation Of Grace For The Heavenly Body Of Christ )
ONE apostle, Paul Chosen as 'administrator' For The ONE ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑

Justification of the Unrighteous (whom "the law Was Made for" (1Ti 1:9)),
to "bring them To Christ"), and Now obeying "The Gospel Of Grace" believing
In Him, His Death, Burial, and Resurrection (1 Corinthians 15:3-4)

"apart from All works By Grace Through faith" (Eph 2:8-9; Tit 3:4-7)​

​

Sanctification:

v. 10: "For we are His Workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good​

works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."​

Will all "walk in them"? Obviously not, per Judgment Seat Of Christ
there were those who had "bad works" = "loss of rewards" (1Co 3:8-15),
though "Saved, yet so as by fire!":

Will God "Conform all members [ in His Foreknowledge/Predestination ]
To The Image Of His Son"? (Romans 8:29), whether we cooperate or not?
Obviously, it will be A Lot Easier [ and Very Rewarding At Judgment] for
those who

"...walk by faith, not by sight ( Not Israel's signs/sabbaths! )..."
(2Co 5:7 cp "Gentiles do well [ with NO sabbath! ]" Acts 15:29),​

humbly submitting and obeying (allowing Christ In us to "work" through us):

1) "Be filled With The Spirit" (Eph 5:18)

2) "present bodies a living sacrifice" (Rom 12:1-2)

3) Fulfil ALL the law In "One Word: Love thy neighbor as thyself!"

(Galatians 5:14; Romans 13:8-10 = ↑ NO sabbath! ↑)​

Ends At God's Great GRACE Departure!)

Note: BIG Difference from Grace (with those failing to 'cooperate'), and

The New Covenant, for Israel (shown below), eh?

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ!” (online):

God Resumes prophecy / NC, Great Trib/Millennial Kingdom, for earthly Israel

Surely "their sign of the sabbath" will Also continue, eh?:

"A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put​

within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your​

flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put My Spirit​

within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and ye shall keep​

My judgments, and do them." (Ezekiel 36:27-27)​

​

How exactly would prophetic Israel's NC apply to the Mystery Body of Christ?
Does not, eh?
--------
Amen.

 

[Nehemiah6]

You need to stop conflating the old and new covenants and learn how to rightly divide the word of truth.

That will probably not happen. Sabbatarians are obsessed with the Sabbath.

 

[Magenta]

Colossians 2:14 - Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.

Ephesians 2:15 - having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace.

Colossians 2:14 and Ephesians 2:15 refer to the old covenant of law including the ten commandments. Also see 2 Corinthians 3:6-9.

Colossians 2:13-14

 

[Inquisitor]

You can't have the law that defines sin (the Ten Commandments) be the same law that was added because of sin, which is breaking God's law.

This is the law that defines sin Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”

Cain knew it was sin when he murdered Abel. Where there is no law, there is no transgression (sin)

Romans 4:15 because the law brings about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression.

Sin is the transgression of God's law

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Which law? The one God personally wrote and spoke

Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”

Your on the wrong track here.

The law that was added, is the law that was declared at Mt Sinai. Paul told you the law was added 430 years later.

The ten commandments were added 430 years after Abraham. How do I know this?

The text (Exodus 20) states the law that was added, after the covenant with Abraham was established.

The written law, the letter of the law, was given to the people God released from Egypt. The first commandment tells you who received the law.

Exodus 20
2 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
3 You shall have no other gods before Me.

We know for a fact, that the Gentiles did not know God, the covenants, or anything else for that matter.

Romans 9:4
Who are Israelites, to whom belongs the adoption as sons and daughters, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the Law, the temple service, and the promises.

The Law was given at Mt Sinai, you cannot create your own imaginary text, and say that the law existed before Mt Sinai.

The Gentile translation of the Jewish word, 'sin', is translated as the deeds of the flesh, by the way.

 

[Inquisitor]

The annual sabbath(s) ordinances yes, Col 2:14, not the weekly Sabbath commandment that was written personally by God. The weekly Sabbath points us back to Creation "Remember" because it already happened Exo 20:11. Only God can reverse His blessing and commandments- Jesus said heaven and earth would pass before one jot or tittle can be removed from His law. Heaven and earth are still here therefore we are told not to break the least of these commandments Mat 5:18-30

The text does not say, 'annual', sabbaths.

Please resist adding things to the scripture.

Colossians 2:16
Therefore, no one is to act as your judge in regard to food and drink, or in respect to a festival or a new moon, or a Sabbath day.

See, no 'annual sabbath'. You guys are too easy.

 

[Inquisitor]

No the moral law has always been

The morals of God, God's character defines the moral laws and they do not change.

What you are saying, 'the moral law', has always been. That is not true. Read what Paul states below.

Romans 9:4
Who are Israelites, to whom belongs the adoption as sons and daughters, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the Law, the temple service, and the promises.

Mt Sinai was ground zero for the entire law. That includes what you call the moral law, Exodus 20.

Your hell bent on trying to establish the law before Mt Sinai.

But Paul says, 'the covenants, the giving of the Law', that was given to the Israelites. When was it given, declared to Israel, written in stone? It was given at Mt Sinai.

Your in denial of Exodus 20.

God is love!

The law is all behavior that is opposed to loving God and others.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

The text does not say, 'annual', sabbaths.

Please resist adding things to the scripture.

Colossians 2:16
Therefore, no one is to act as your judge in regard to food and drink, or in respect to a festival or a new moon, or a Sabbath day.

See, no 'annual sabbath'. You guys are too easy.

It says sabbath in ordinances that are handwritten-

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

God finger wrote the Sabbath commandment.

Written by the finger of God is not handwritten by man

Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

God blessed the weekly Sabbath- once God blesses man can't reverse Num 23:20 Blessed and holy is not the definition for contrary or against.

There is more than one sabbath in the scripture, you are using a modern version of Col 2:16 the original has the sabbath(s) plural and Paul made it abundantly clear he was not referring to one of the commandments personally written by the authority of God, that no man can countermand, including Paul- which is why he kept every Sabbath over 30 year later after the cross Acts 13:42-144, Acts 18:4. Jesus Himself indicated it would not end after the Cross Mat 24:20 and will be kept by God's faithful until the end of time Rev 22:14 Isa 56:1-6 Isa 66:22-23

 

[SabbathBlessing]

I was asked what the gospel is, and I finally had a moment to write out.

The gospel is the good news of salvation in Jesus Christ. It is an everlasting gospel that is for all people of all nations starting with Adam and Eve until the end of time.

Sin separated man from God Isa 59:2 and sin is the transgression of God's law 1 John 3:4 the Ten Commandments Romans 7:7

Part of the gospel message our salvation from the condemnation of sin. Romans 6:23 Mat 1:21

If there was no law, there would be no condemnation as the wages of sin (breaking God's law) is death Romans 6:23- this is the condemnation. If there was no condemnation, there would be no need for a Savior as we would all be immortal- (the first lie that made Eve fall- one of the same tactics the devil uses today- we can break God's law and live) so God's law is a vital part of the gospel, because we are not saved in our sins- we are saved from sin.

God's law shows us how to worship Him. The first 4 commandments is how we are to love God.

Exodus 20:1 And God spoke all these words, saying:
2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor [b]serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

God is the one who saves us from the bondage of sin. The 4th commandment or Sabbath commandment is the only commandment that points to the Author of His law and shows that He is the Creator and Authority of everything- King of Kings Lords of Lords and who the devil has been trying to take the place of Isa 14:14 so no wonder the 4th commandment is attacked so much. It has God's seal of authority.

If someone wrote down a set of laws but didn't sign who they came from it would be meaningless. If the President of the Unities States wrote a set of laws and signed it, then its valid. A set of laws that has no signature, no author is meaningless. The Sabbath has the seal of God's law. It contains who is the Author: Lord thy God. His Title- Creator and Territory : Heaven and Earth

The everlasting gospel points us back to the Sabbath commandment- the only place it has His seal.

Revelation 14:6 Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth—to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people— 7 saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.”

Exo 20: 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day.

God said the Sabbath was the sign that He is our Creator

Eze 20:20 hallow My Sabbaths, and they will be a sign between Me and you, that you may know that I am the Lord your God.’

Also notice this.... “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come;

There will be a judgement and there has to be a standard of judgement. We don't have to guess- scripture tell us.

This has almost verbatim the same language.

Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:

Fear God and keep His commandments,
For this is man’s all.
14 For God will bring every work into judgment,
Including every secret thing,
Whether good or evil.

What are we judged on?

James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty

The Ten Commandments will be what we are judged on breaking one we break them all. The Ten Commandments was written by the finger of God Exo 31:18 this is His work Exo 32:16 His righteousness Psa 119:172 and Truth Psa 119:151 and reflects His perfect character that we are to take on. His law is perfect for converting the soul Psa 19:7, Removing even one jot or tittle from His law removes His mercy as all Ten Commandments sits under His mercy seat they way He wrote and spoke and the earthy temple was a copy of God's heavenly Temple Heb 8:1-5 where lies the Ten Commandments Rev 11:19

At the end we will either take on His character (image) and receive His seal Isaiah 8:16 or we will make an image to the beast and his mark. It all comes down to the authority of who we worship. Do we worship God, the Creator of heaven and earth and all that is in them and follow His laws by His authority or follow man and worship in vain keeping the commandments of man over the commandments of God. Mar 7:7-13 Mat 15:3-14

Scripture tells us how we avoid it the mark.

Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

And the antidote the next verse

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

A beast is a kingdom- meaning a governing power Daniel 7:23 and we are told the beast has a mark that one will receive or will receive the seal of God. It comes down to the authority of our worship. The Sabbath is the commandment that shows the authority of God - the God the Creator who made heaven and earth. The beast would have to have something contrary to God's Sabbath commandment. Do we see that happening in scripture and in history?

In Daniel 7:25 we are told this beast power would change times and laws. The only commandment that is both a time and a law is the Sabbath commandment. It is a law (4th commandment) and a time- every seventh day Sabbath Exo 20:10

Do we see this in history. Yes, Rome admits to this change. They admit it didn't come from scripture but their own authority that is above the bible. They claim it is their mark of their authority.

If Protestants would follow the Bible, they would worship God on the Sabbath Day. In keeping the Sunday they are following a law of the Catholic Church.
—Albert Smith, Chancellor of the Archdiocese of Baltimore, replying for the Cardinal, in a letter dated February 10, 1920.

Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change was her act. And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical power and authority in religious matters.
—C. F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons, in answer to a letter regarding the change of the Sabbath, November 11, 1895.

Deny the authority of the Church and you have no adequate or reasonable explanation or justification for the substitution of Sunday for Saturday in the Third - Protestant Fourth - Commandment of God... The Church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.'
—Catholic Record, September 1, 1923.

Which it all comes down to. Do we worship God on His authority and keep His commandments or keep the commandments of man and worship in vain?

Who is our allegiance to? Do we worship God in Truth and Spirit and keep His commandments written by His own finger or obey the commandments of man. We will all have to answer this question one day.

 

[Magenta]

What are we judged on?

Romans 8:1-2; 5:57 + 58b