The Sealed Church Will Go Through The Future Tribulation, Divinely Protected By God!

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Truth7t7

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Yes
And yes

At least that is the only position stated in the bible.

Nothing on a postrib rapture
Post Trib Second Coming and Gathering Of Believers.

Not on scripture teaches if a Pre-Trib rapture, not a one.

Matthew 24:29-31-KJV

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
 

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It's amazing how divided the church is on the topic of eschatology, but I think it's a sign of the times. Some people say it is a beaten down topic and it does seem to get brought up frequently, but that does not minimize it's importance. Actually, eschatology is arguably on of the most relevant topic to this day and age in my view.
Eschatology is what's going to sound the alarm on the future (Man Of Sin/Antichrist)

He will be Jew in his descent, he will be revealed in Jerusalem, proclaiming to be Messiah to Jews, Jesus returned to the Apostate Church.

No human will be (Forced) into receiving the mark of the beast, it's gonna be through deception, as the false prophet puts on the show in false miracles, Benny Hinn X 100

Eschatology Is Very Important!


Many falsely teach the mark of the beast and his image worship will be forced?

100% False, it will be willfully received by those deceived through (False Miracles) performed by the (False Prophet)

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Revelation 13:11-14KJV
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles
which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
 
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The Sealed Church Will Go Through The Future Tribulation, Divinely Protected By God
Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

There is no need for the beast to blaspheme God unless the saints are on earth, for they represent the truth, and he is trying to convince the world to not follow Christianity before they take the mark that do not love God, for the devil is trying to deceive as many people spiritually as he can and those he cannot deceive spiritually he will try to get them physically destroyed by taking them to the battle of Armageddon, but God will spare one sixth of the heathen so Jesus can rule over them.

Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

He will make war with the saints, and overcome them, and he has control of the world for the 10 horns hand their power over to him which the 10 horns is the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section so they cover the world, which is the 7th head, 7th king, global government the next kingdom to come that will continue for a short space which is three and one half years, and the 8th king is the beast who will rule for three and one half years.

This could of not happened in the first century for the beast has power over all nations, kindreds, and tongues, and all people that dwell upon earth shall worship him who do not love God, so the beast is the ruler of the world.

For it is time for God to end sin on earth so He allowed the world to have their way for 7 years to cause all people that do not love Him to follow the beast and take his mark and then repentance is no longer available to them, and God will end sin on earth.

Rev 13:9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
Rev 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

We fight back by not taking the mark of the beast, and not following the beast, but we do not fight back physically against them.

Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time(three and one half years).

Dan 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
Dan 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
Dan 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

The beast shall destroy the mighty and holy people, and by peace shall destroy many.

The beast shall persecute the saints for three and one half years, and when he shall have accomplished to scatter their power then all things are finished.

1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

Then the saints left on earth shall be gathered unto Christ, and then He shall put down all rule, authority, and power.

It appears as if the saints are going to be persecuted, which Jesus said it is the greatest persecution against the people of God for it is on a world wide level, which if the days were not shortened there would be no flesh alive, which is three and one half years.

Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

The 2 witnesses are only sent to Israel to turn them to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah, and they go against any person that would try to stop them from reaching out to the Jews.

For the Jews are protected from physical attack during the 7 years period for God has the plan to restore the kingdom to Israel during the millennial reign of Christ, and Jesus said salvation is of the Jews, and the Jew will not see Him again until they say blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord, and the 12 tribes of Israel, and the 12 apostles of the Lamb are written in the New Jerusalem, so Israel as a nation has to come to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah.
 

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Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

There is no need for the beast to blaspheme God unless the saints are on earth, for they represent the truth, and he is trying to convince the world to not follow Christianity before they take the mark that do not love God, for the devil is trying to deceive as many people spiritually as he can and those he cannot deceive spiritually he will try to get them physically destroyed by taking them to the battle of Armageddon, but God will spare one sixth of the heathen so Jesus can rule over them.

Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

He will make war with the saints, and overcome them, and he has control of the world for the 10 horns hand their power over to him which the 10 horns is the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section so they cover the world, which is the 7th head, 7th king, global government the next kingdom to come that will continue for a short space which is three and one half years, and the 8th king is the beast who will rule for three and one half years.

This could of not happened in the first century for the beast has power over all nations, kindreds, and tongues, and all people that dwell upon earth shall worship him who do not love God, so the beast is the ruler of the world.

For it is time for God to end sin on earth so He allowed the world to have their way for 7 years to cause all people that do not love Him to follow the beast and take his mark and then repentance is no longer available to them, and God will end sin on earth.

Rev 13:9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
Rev 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

We fight back by not taking the mark of the beast, and not following the beast, but we do not fight back physically against them.

Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time(three and one half years).

Dan 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
Dan 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
Dan 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

The beast shall destroy the mighty and holy people, and by peace shall destroy many.

The beast shall persecute the saints for three and one half years, and when he shall have accomplished to scatter their power then all things are finished.

1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

Then the saints left on earth shall be gathered unto Christ, and then He shall put down all rule, authority, and power.

It appears as if the saints are going to be persecuted, which Jesus said it is the greatest persecution against the people of God for it is on a world wide level, which if the days were not shortened there would be no flesh alive, which is three and one half years.

Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

The 2 witnesses are only sent to Israel to turn them to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah, and they go against any person that would try to stop them from reaching out to the Jews.

For the Jews are protected from physical attack during the 7 years period for God has the plan to restore the kingdom to Israel during the millennial reign of Christ, and Jesus said salvation is of the Jews, and the Jew will not see Him again until they say blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord, and the 12 tribes of Israel, and the 12 apostles of the Lamb are written in the New Jerusalem, so Israel as a nation has to come to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah.
I agree, good point!

Yes Preterism falsely teaches the Antichrist and tribulation took place in the 70AD destruction of Jerusalem

As you have show this to be false, because the Antichrist will rule the world, not just Jerusalem or the Roman Empire
 
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Your presented scripture dosent state (All Saints) are beheaded.

Just as today, many Christian's are being killed around the world, some have been beheaded.

It appears you have (Added) to the scripture
It says ALL take the mark,every man woman and child. That would be all nonbelievers. The ones refusing are killed.

It also says the ac overcomes the saints (beheads them) and the saints overcome the ac by dying.

So yes all are killed that refuse the mark.

The jews are chased into the wilderness with satan prevented from overtaking them.
 

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It says ALL take the mark,every man woman and child. That would be all nonbelievers. The ones refusing are killed.

It also says the ac overcomes the saints (beheads them) and the saints overcome the ac by dying.

So yes all are killed that refuse the mark.

The jews are chased into the wilderness with satan prevented from overtaking them.
Where in scripture does it state (All Refusing) to take the mark are killed, post your proof, waiting?

It appears your quoting the Dispensationalist Baptist pastor and not scripture :giggle:

You have Satan running around chasing and killing?

What happened to the (Two Witnesses) that are bringing plagues upon the Beast and World, as they (Torment) the World by these plagues?


The future 3.5 year tribulation is going to be a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt, the "Two Witnesses" will stand against the Antichrist for this entire 3.5 years, bringing all plagues as often as they will, the sealed believers are protected, just as the Hebrews were protected in Egypt.

"All Plagues" As Often As They Will

Revelation 11:2-6KJV
But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
 
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Post Trib Second Coming and Gathering Of Believers.

Not on scripture teaches if a Pre-Trib rapture, not a one.

Matthew 24:29-31-KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
We can just change the bible since the ones you read must say Noah and lot left AFTER the respective judgements .
And JESUS ascended with an army and white horses with redeemed riders. (Man is my bible different)..(WAY DIFFERENT THAN YOURS)


We can as also cross out the catching away by Jesus in rev 14 since 1 thes 4 erroneously has the dead leaving earth FIRST.

So many things wrong in your bible.

SO stop falsely pointing out there are no pretrib verses.

That realm is only in reframing our verses to fit postrib poor thought out doctrine.

The pretrib verses reframed.
They are there and you have no place to go.
You HAVE TO go against the word.
 
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Where in scripture does it state (All Refusing) to take the mark are killed, post your proof, waiting?

It appears your quoting the Dispensationalist Baptist pastor and not scripture :giggle:

You have Satan running around chasing and killing?

What happened to the (Two Witnesses) that are bringing plagues upon the Beast and World, as they (Torment) the World by these plagues?

The future 3.5 year tribulation is going to be a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt, the "Two Witnesses" will stand against the Antichrist for this entire 3.5 years, bringing all plagues as often as they will, the sealed believers are protected, just as the Hebrews were protected in Egypt.

"All Plagues" As Often As They Will

Revelation 11:2-6KJV
But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
Lol
Reread my verses
Stop acting like it says something else.

Better yet You post them showing how they do not mean what anyone can see they do.

I already posted them FOR YOU.
 

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Below we see God's divine protection, if the world try's to harm a believer, they in return will be harmed!

Revelation 13:9-10KJV
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
I don't see anything there about divine protection of believers, or of retributive punishment. Perhaps you could explain further what you see.
 

Truth7t7

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Lol
Reread my verses
Stop acting like it says something else.

Better yet You post them showing how they do not mean what anyone can see they do.

I already posted them FOR YOU.
You have the Antichrist Squads killing every last Christian on earth, God has abondoned his church to death

Antichrist Death Squads, Wandering into the wilderness of Alaska, Amazon, Yukon, Russia, China, world islands by the (Thousands), Chasing down Christian's to force them to take the mark?

You should have been a fiction writer and director, ole Tim La Haye in his left behind series would be proud!

Lights, Cameras, Action, Cut, Cut, Cut!

Real Big Smiles!
 

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The tribulation is designed for (Judgement) upon the Beast/Antichrist and his wicked world followers.

It's gonna be a Jesus rally when the (y) (Two Witnesses) (y) I believe Enoch/Elijah who never experienced death, bring plague after plague upon the Beast and his followers.

The future 3.5 year tribulation is going to be a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt, the "Two Witnesses" will stand against the Antichrist for this entire 3.5 years, bringing all plagues as often as they will, the sealed believers are protected, just as the Hebrews were protected in Egypt.

"All Plagues" As Often As They Will

Revelation 11:2-6KJV
But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Revelation 14:7-12KJV
7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Sorry, but you are ignoring God's overall plan for His promises to Israel...

Jeremiah 30:7 KJVS
[7] Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.

Isaiah 48:9 KJVS
[9] For my name's sake will I defer mine anger, and for my praise will I refrain for thee, that I cut thee not off.

Matthew 23:39 KJVS
[39] For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
 
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Since the Tribulation is NOT for the Church, looks like you have a martyr complex. The Tribulation saints are ALL BEHEADED.

The word martyr simply mean witness . All witnesses eventually die . Christ is the head of all believers. looks like you have a drama complex. No sign is given to wonder after.
 
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The tribulation is designed for (Judgement) upon the Beast/Antichrist and his wicked world followers.

It's gonna be a Jesus rally when the (y) (Two Witnesses) (y) I believe Enoch/Elijah who never experienced death, bring plague after plague upon the Beast and his followers.

The future 3.5 year tribulation is going to be a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt, the "Two Witnesses" will stand against the Antichrist for this entire 3.5 years, bringing all plagues as often as they will, the sealed believers are protected, just as the Hebrews were protected in Egypt.

"All Plagues" As Often As They Will

Revelation 11:2-6KJV
But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Revelation 14:7-12KJV
7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
All experience the wage of sin death. Moses not entering the propmised land represents the letter of the law Death .Elijah taken away in a whirlwind represents the law of faith the unseen power of God They are used to represent the witness of God .The law and the prophets (sola scriptura) Two laws working together. the perfect law . The just and justifier

We walk by faith not after what the eyes see the temporal .No sign to wonder after was given.
 

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All experience the wage of sin death. Moses not entering the propmised land represents the letter of the law Death .Elijah taken away in a whirlwind represents the law of faith the unseen power of God They are used to represent the witness of God .The law and the prophets (sola scriptura) Two laws working together. the perfect law . The just and justifier

We walk by faith not after what the eyes see the temporal .No sign to wonder after was given.
I Strongly Disagree With Your Symbolic Allegory Of The (Two Witnesses) :)

The (Two Witnesses) Of Revelation 11 Will Be Literal Prophets Returned, I Believe Enoch/Elijah Who Never Experienced Death, It's Appointed Unto Man Once To Die.

These Two Will Bring The Plagues Seen In Revelation, And Will Represent Jesus Christ For 1,260 Literal Days Upon Earth.

The Witnesses Will Stand Against The Antichrist, A Remake Of Moses/Aaron Against Pharaoh Of Egypt
 

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Sorry, but you are ignoring God's overall plan for His promises to Israel...

Jeremiah 30:7 KJVS
[7] Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.

Isaiah 48:9 KJVS
[9] For my name's sake will I defer mine anger, and for my praise will I refrain for thee, that I cut thee not off.

Matthew 23:39 KJVS
[39] For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
Who is this (Israel) you are speaking of?

All World Jews Having 1%,10%,25%,50%,100% Jewish Blood?

People Living In (Israel)

Only Orthodox Jews?

Who Is This Israel That God Has A Plan For, Please Explain?
 

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Who is this (Israel) you are speaking of?

All World Jews Having 1%,10%,25%,50%,100% Jewish Blood?

People Living In (Israel)

Only Orthodox Jews?

Who Is This Israel That God Has A Plan For, Please Explain?
Go ask Hitler, he knew quite well how to pick them out.
Meanwhile God knows who they are...

And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.
(Rev 7:2-8)
 

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Go ask Hitler, he knew quite well how to pick them out.
Meanwhile God knows who they are...

And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.
(Rev 7:2-8)
Are you now suggesting only 144,000 Jews represent this (Israel) God is concerned about?

Who is this (Israel)?
 

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The bad news is: It’s gonna hurt a lot...
Gonna Hurt The Antichrist And His Kingdom, Plague After Plague!

The (Two Witnesses) Of Revelation 11 Will Be Literal Prophets Returned, I Believe Enoch/Elijah Who Never Experienced Death, It's Appointed Unto Man Once To Die.

These Two Will Bring The Plagues Seen In Revelation, And Will Represent Jesus Christ For 1,260 Literal Days Upon Earth.

The Witnesses Will Stand Against The Antichrist, A Remake Of Moses/Aaron Against Pharaoh Of Egypt

Were The Hebrews Running Away From Plagues In Egypt, Did Their Firstborn Die? (y)

Its Gonna Be A Jesus Calls The Shots Tribulation, Open Your Eyes To Truth.

Revelation 11:3-6KJV
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
 

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The Sealed Church Will Go Through The Future Tribulation, Divinely Protected By God!
  • Gods wrath/judgement will not come upon the "Sealed Believers" during the tribulation.

    Revelation 9:3-5 below shows that the plague of torment for 5 months, will only be brought upon those "Not Sealed" by God, it was "Commanded"!

    All believers in Jesus Christ are "Sealed" by God the Holy Spirit, the believer is protected, Eph 1:13, 4:30


    Ephesians 1:13KJV
    13 in whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

    Ephesians 4:30KJV
    And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

    Revelation 9:3-5KJV
    3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
    4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
    5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

  • Below we see God's divine protection, if the world try's to harm a believer, they in return will be harmed!

    Revelation 13:9-10KJV
    9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
    10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

  • 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 Is The "Last Day" Resurrection!

    The dead in Christ are resurrected and the living caught up at the Lords return, this takes place "Immediately after the tribulation"

    Let's take a look at the most "Popular" scripture used by dispensationalist to claim a Pre-Trib rapture, 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17KJV

    In The 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 below you see the "Resurrection" of the dead in Christ, this Takes place in the "Last Day" John 6:39-40, immediately after the tribulation Matthew 24:29-31.


    1 Thessalonians 4:14-17KJV
    14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
    15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
    16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: andthe dead in Christ shall rise first:
    17 then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

    The resurrection seen in 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 above takes place on the "Last Day" at the return of Jesus Christ.

    This is not a "Pre-Tribulation Rapture" as is falsely taught in dispensationalism.


    John 6:39-40KJV
    39 And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
    40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

    Below we see the return of Jesus Christ and the "Last Day Resurrection" same event as 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 above, this takes place "Immediately After The Tribulation"

    Matthew 24:29-31KJV
    29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 and then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

    The future 3.5 year tribulation is going to be a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt, the "Two Witnesses" will stand against the Antichrist for this entire 3.5 years, bringing all plagues as often as they will, the sealed believers are protected, just as the Hebrews were protected in Egypt.

    "All Plagues" As Often As They Will

    Revelation 11:2-6KJV
    But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
    4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
    5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
    6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
I believe that these verses pertain mostly to salvation being sealed by God. Regarding the plague of torment of 5 months duration only those who have received the mark of the beast will be in torment. The tribulation lasts for 7 years and there is no mention in Revelation of a sealed church that does not experience it. It is obviously that the church is not protected during this period as those that refuse the mark will be put to death.

Revelation 13:15
He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.

This does not sound like a sealed church being divinely protected by God during the tribulation but rather just the opposite.