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Waggles

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and there is only one throne in heaven
not true
show us scripture to prove that there is only ONE (singular) throne in Heaven
for scripture declares
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers
or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.
Colossians 1:
 

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2 And the angel of the LORD appeared to him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush. He looked, and behold, the bush was
burning, yet it was not consumed.
6 And he said, I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” And Moses hid his face,
for he was afraid to look at God.
14 God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”
15 God also said to Moses, “Say this to the people of Israel: ‘The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of
Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is my name forever, and thus I am to be remembered throughout all generations.
Exodus 3:

 

7seasrekeyed

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Sorry seven.

People are saved, because they are saved they get baptised in water, which could be full immersion,
but I am not a stickler for this. I have no limitation or condition on speaking in tongues. It is a gift,
no more, no less. The elect will find blessing in the Holy Spirit.

So I think you are addressing the wrong member.
God bless you


maybe you should go back to your op here. or are you of two minds?

A picture of New Testament water baptism can be seen in the Tabernacle in the wilderness that God commanded Moses to construct per His specific instructions.

In scripture there are two distinct water applications. The first is a complete washing for entrance into the priesthood. Afterward those who minister must keep their hands and feet spiritually clean by being washed in the water of the Word of God.

A foreshadow of water baptism can be seen in God’s command to Moses to wash Aaron and his sons. They were to be washed prior to being clothed with priestly garments:

“And thou shalt anoint the laver and his foot, and sanctify it. And thou shalt bring Aaron and his sons unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and wash them with water. And thou shalt put upon Aaron the holy garments, and anoint him, and sanctify him; that he may minister unto me in the priest's office. And thou shalt bring his sons, and clothe them with coats:” Exodus 40:11-14

God then instructed the Israelites to wash at the laver in the courtyard before entering the tabernacle. Aaron and his sons were forbidden to enter into the Holy Place without washing at the laver. In fact, they were warned of the consequences for disobedience. They would surely DIE.

Exodus 30:18-21 “Thou shalt also make a laver of brass, and his foot also of brass, to wash withal: and thou shalt put it between the tabernacle of the congregation and the altar, and thou shalt put water therein. For Aaron and his sons shall wash their hands and their feet thereat: When they go into the tabernacle of the congregation, they shall wash with water, that they die not; or when they come near to the altar to minister, to burn offering made by fire unto the LORD: So they shall wash their hands and their feet, that they die not: and it shall be a statute for ever to them, even to him and to his seed throughout their generations.”

As stated above, death would occur if one tried to forego God’s command to wash at the laver. The washing of the natural hands and feet reflects a spiritual reality. We are to do God’s work (with hands) and walk in God’s ways (with feet) in accordance with His Word.

After the initial cleansing had taken place, Moses poured oil over the head of Aaron the high priest. This action parallels the new covenant infilling of the Holy Ghost:

Leviticus 8:12 “And he poured of the anointing oil upon Aaron's head, and anointed him, to sanctify him.”

After being washed, and clothed, Aaron and his sons were marked with blood:

“And thou shalt take the other ram; and Aaron and his sons shall put their hands upon the head of the ram. Then shalt thou kill the ram, and take of his blood, and put it upon the tip of the right ear of Aaron, and upon the tip of the right ear of his sons, and upon the thumb of their right hand, and upon the great toe of their right foot, and sprinkle the blood upon the altar round about.” Exodus 29:19-20

Note the significance of how the sacrificial blood was to be applied:

Not only did Moses sprinkle the blood on the altar and upon Aaron and his sons, along with the anointing oil, but each man was marked with blood on the right earlobe, the right thumb, and the right big toe. This was a token reminder that they must listen to God's Word, do God's work, and walk in God's way. The blood speaks of sacrifice, so the priests became "living sacrifices" in the service of the Lord. (The Bible Exposition Commentary: Old Testament )

Many believe that the blood is applied immediately when one accepts Jesus as their personal savior. However, take the time to read the twenty-ninth chapter of Exodus. What you will find is a sequence of events that parallel the New Testament salvation components.

1. Candidate accepts priestly calling.

2. Candidates are washed and adorned with holy garments. Ex 29:4

3. Oil is poured over the head of the priest. Ex 29:7

4. The priestly office is secured. Ex 29:9

5. The blood is applied after obedience to God’s commands above. Ex 29:20

After stating how the priestly office is secured, the Word instructs us about our Christian walk and how to honor God with various types of offerings.

The New Testament parallel is as follows:

1. Acceptance of Jesus sacrifice and repentance

2. Water Baptism (receive the priestly garments)

3. Infilling of the Holy Ghost

4. Priestly office secured

5. Blood of Jesus sacrifice is applied
 

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maybe you should go back to your op here. or are you of two minds?

A picture of New Testament water baptism can be seen in the Tabernacle in the wilderness that God commanded Moses to construct per His specific instructions.

In scripture there are two distinct water applications. The first is a complete washing for entrance into the priesthood. Afterward those who minister must keep their hands and feet spiritually clean by being washed in the water of the Word of God.

A foreshadow of water baptism can be seen in God’s command to Moses to wash Aaron and his sons. They were to be washed prior to being clothed with priestly garments:

“And thou shalt anoint the laver and his foot, and sanctify it. And thou shalt bring Aaron and his sons unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and wash them with water. And thou shalt put upon Aaron the holy garments, and anoint him, and sanctify him; that he may minister unto me in the priest's office. And thou shalt bring his sons, and clothe them with coats:” Exodus 40:11-14

God then instructed the Israelites to wash at the laver in the courtyard before entering the tabernacle. Aaron and his sons were forbidden to enter into the Holy Place without washing at the laver. In fact, they were warned of the consequences for disobedience. They would surely DIE.

Exodus 30:18-21 “Thou shalt also make a laver of brass, and his foot also of brass, to wash withal: and thou shalt put it between the tabernacle of the congregation and the altar, and thou shalt put water therein. For Aaron and his sons shall wash their hands and their feet thereat: When they go into the tabernacle of the congregation, they shall wash with water, that they die not; or when they come near to the altar to minister, to burn offering made by fire unto the LORD: So they shall wash their hands and their feet, that they die not: and it shall be a statute for ever to them, even to him and to his seed throughout their generations.”

As stated above, death would occur if one tried to forego God’s command to wash at the laver. The washing of the natural hands and feet reflects a spiritual reality. We are to do God’s work (with hands) and walk in God’s ways (with feet) in accordance with His Word.

After the initial cleansing had taken place, Moses poured oil over the head of Aaron the high priest. This action parallels the new covenant infilling of the Holy Ghost:

Leviticus 8:12 “And he poured of the anointing oil upon Aaron's head, and anointed him, to sanctify him.”

After being washed, and clothed, Aaron and his sons were marked with blood:

“And thou shalt take the other ram; and Aaron and his sons shall put their hands upon the head of the ram. Then shalt thou kill the ram, and take of his blood, and put it upon the tip of the right ear of Aaron, and upon the tip of the right ear of his sons, and upon the thumb of their right hand, and upon the great toe of their right foot, and sprinkle the blood upon the altar round about.” Exodus 29:19-20

Note the significance of how the sacrificial blood was to be applied:

Not only did Moses sprinkle the blood on the altar and upon Aaron and his sons, along with the anointing oil, but each man was marked with blood on the right earlobe, the right thumb, and the right big toe. This was a token reminder that they must listen to God's Word, do God's work, and walk in God's way. The blood speaks of sacrifice, so the priests became "living sacrifices" in the service of the Lord. (The Bible Exposition Commentary: Old Testament )

Many believe that the blood is applied immediately when one accepts Jesus as their personal savior. However, take the time to read the twenty-ninth chapter of Exodus. What you will find is a sequence of events that parallel the New Testament salvation components.

1. Candidate accepts priestly calling.

2. Candidates are washed and adorned with holy garments. Ex 29:4

3. Oil is poured over the head of the priest. Ex 29:7

4. The priestly office is secured. Ex 29:9

5. The blood is applied after obedience to God’s commands above. Ex 29:20

After stating how the priestly office is secured, the Word instructs us about our Christian walk and how to honor God with various types of offerings.

The New Testament parallel is as follows:

1. Acceptance of Jesus sacrifice and repentance

2. Water Baptism (receive the priestly garments)

3. Infilling of the Holy Ghost

4. Priestly office secured

5. Blood of Jesus sacrifice is applied
I am not Wansvic nor particular aware of what he follows.
The clue is in I am FollowHisSteps and they are Wansvic

I thought that might be a clue. Are you sure you are ok? Please can you just admit this error,
it would help a little.
 

7seasrekeyed

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I am not Wansvic nor particular aware of what he follows.
The clue is in I am FollowHisSteps and they are Wansvic

I thought that might be a clue. Are you sure you are ok? Please can you just admit this error,
it would help a little.
ok. where I went wrong in your identity started with yr post 269 in response to someone else

anyway, nope, you aren't responsible for that op so now that I know who is who, I won't confuse you 2 again

I'm fine, thank you. an honest mistake is all.

sorry about that. one of her is enough
 

Noose

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Well we are made in the image of God. We are a person, who have speech and have a spirit.

The Father is God, He has His Word and He has His Spirit.

The only difference is God is a powerful God. We are mere humans. So our speech doesnt have power to create or take on a life of its own. Whereas God's Word became flesh.

Our spirit is a part of us, and we can pick up on people's spirit, some people say it is energy. Our spirit doesnt naturally have power. God's Spirit on the otherhand is powerful and if we allow His Spirit to come into our spirit they become ONE. And we become children of God. Through Gods Spirit. Giving us power love and a soundmind.

The Father, His Word, and His Holy Spirt make up ONE God.
(1 John 5:7)

My physical body, my word, and my spirit all make up me as a person. The only difference is im a human. God has all these aspects as well but He is God. Everything about Him has power and Life. He is the creator. He has His Word, who has been with Him since the beginning. Created everything through His Word.
God is spirit.
Spirit is understanding and in God's case, understanding the truth, so He is truth.
Man being made in the image of God is not about three parts - God is spirit and doesn't have a body.
 

garee

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LOL..Show us the foundation of the tongues doctrine or fall backward.?

Psalm 11:2-4 King James Version (KJV) For, lo, the wicked bend their bow, they make ready their arrow upon the string, that they may privily shoot at the upright in heart.If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do? The Lord is in his holy temple, the Lord's throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.
 

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While it is true that there are a couple of instances where the evidence of being baptized with the Holy Spirit was manifested with GENUINE TONGUES (not the modern manifestation) the norm in the book of Acts was that people received the gift of the Holy Spirit WITHOUT SPEAKING IN TONGUES.

SINNERS SAVED BUT NO TONGUES MANIFESTED
1. Acts 2:41 --- about 3,000 Jews saved, no tongues spoken by them
2. Acts 5:14 -- multitudes saved no tongues mentioned
3. Acts 6:7 -- disciples multiplied along with priests, no tongues
4. Acts 8:12,17 -- Samaritans saved, no tongues mentioned
5. Acts 8:37,38 -- Ethiopian saved, no tongues mentioned
6. Acts 9:17,18 -- Saul of Tarsus saved, no tongues mentioned
7. Acts 9:31 -- churches multiplied in Judaea, Galilee, and Samaria, but no tongues
8. Acts 9:35 -- all the inhabitants of Lydda and Saron saved, no tongues mentioned
9. Acts 11: 19-21 -- great numbers believed in the region of Phenice, Cyprus and Antioch, no tongues mentioned
10. Acts 11:22-24 -- Barnabas came to Antioch, many more added, no tongues


There's the proof that you have invented a doctrine out of thin air. We could continue right through the book of Acts and prove that you are the one promoting falsehoods, and definitely promoting false doctrines. So I wonder if you will now have the grace to admit that you are ensnared in false teachings and repent.
The scriptures noted say nothing of repentance either but we know that is required.
 

JaumeJ

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Is sthere also a "modern Godpel?"
 

Wansvic

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While it is true that there are a couple of instances where the evidence of being baptized with the Holy Spirit was manifested with GENUINE TONGUES (not the modern manifestation) the norm in the book of Acts was that people received the gift of the Holy Spirit WITHOUT SPEAKING IN TONGUES.

SINNERS SAVED BUT NO TONGUES MANIFESTED
1. Acts 2:41 --- about 3,000 Jews saved, no tongues spoken by them
2. Acts 5:14 -- multitudes saved no tongues mentioned
3. Acts 6:7 -- disciples multiplied along with priests, no tongues
4. Acts 8:12,17 -- Samaritans saved, no tongues mentioned
5. Acts 8:37,38 -- Ethiopian saved, no tongues mentioned
6. Acts 9:17,18 -- Saul of Tarsus saved, no tongues mentioned
7. Acts 9:31 -- churches multiplied in Judaea, Galilee, and Samaria, but no tongues
8. Acts 9:35 -- all the inhabitants of Lydda and Saron saved, no tongues mentioned
9. Acts 11: 19-21 -- great numbers believed in the region of Phenice, Cyprus and Antioch, no tongues mentioned
10. Acts 11:22-24 -- Barnabas came to Antioch, many more added, no tongues


There's the proof that you have invented a doctrine out of thin air. We could continue right through the book of Acts and prove that you are the one promoting falsehoods, and definitely promoting false doctrines. So I wonder if you will now have the grace to admit that you are ensnared in false teachings and repent.
The Word states that a concept is established by 2-3 witnesses. (Dt 19:15, Matt. 18:16, 2 Cor 13:1) There is clear evidence that speaking in tongues proceeded from individuals receiving the Holy Ghost on at least 3 occasions recorded in the Word making it an established concept:

Acts 2:2-4
“And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.”

Acts 2:38-41
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.”

Acts 8:14-18
"Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)”
Note: How did those present know that the Samaritans had not received the Holy Ghost? They knew it because they did not witness any outward evidence. (tongues)

Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost. And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,”
Note: It is obvious something occurred that convinced Simon that the Holy Ghost was given. There is clear evidence that tongues proceeded from all individuals present on at least 3 occasions recorded in the Word it is an established concept.


Acts 10:44-46
“While Peter yet these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,”

Acts 19:6
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.”
 

Wansvic

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maybe you should go back to your op here. or are you of two minds?

A picture of New Testament water baptism can be seen in the Tabernacle in the wilderness that God commanded Moses to construct per His specific instructions.

In scripture there are two distinct water applications. The first is a complete washing for entrance into the priesthood. Afterward those who minister must keep their hands and feet spiritually clean by being washed in the water of the Word of God.

A foreshadow of water baptism can be seen in God’s command to Moses to wash Aaron and his sons. They were to be washed prior to being clothed with priestly garments:

“And thou shalt anoint the laver and his foot, and sanctify it. And thou shalt bring Aaron and his sons unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and wash them with water. And thou shalt put upon Aaron the holy garments, and anoint him, and sanctify him; that he may minister unto me in the priest's office. And thou shalt bring his sons, and clothe them with coats:” Exodus 40:11-14

God then instructed the Israelites to wash at the laver in the courtyard before entering the tabernacle. Aaron and his sons were forbidden to enter into the Holy Place without washing at the laver. In fact, they were warned of the consequences for disobedience. They would surely DIE.

Exodus 30:18-21 “Thou shalt also make a laver of brass, and his foot also of brass, to wash withal: and thou shalt put it between the tabernacle of the congregation and the altar, and thou shalt put water therein. For Aaron and his sons shall wash their hands and their feet thereat: When they go into the tabernacle of the congregation, they shall wash with water, that they die not; or when they come near to the altar to minister, to burn offering made by fire unto the LORD: So they shall wash their hands and their feet, that they die not: and it shall be a statute for ever to them, even to him and to his seed throughout their generations.”

As stated above, death would occur if one tried to forego God’s command to wash at the laver. The washing of the natural hands and feet reflects a spiritual reality. We are to do God’s work (with hands) and walk in God’s ways (with feet) in accordance with His Word.

After the initial cleansing had taken place, Moses poured oil over the head of Aaron the high priest. This action parallels the new covenant infilling of the Holy Ghost:

Leviticus 8:12 “And he poured of the anointing oil upon Aaron's head, and anointed him, to sanctify him.”

After being washed, and clothed, Aaron and his sons were marked with blood:

“And thou shalt take the other ram; and Aaron and his sons shall put their hands upon the head of the ram. Then shalt thou kill the ram, and take of his blood, and put it upon the tip of the right ear of Aaron, and upon the tip of the right ear of his sons, and upon the thumb of their right hand, and upon the great toe of their right foot, and sprinkle the blood upon the altar round about.” Exodus 29:19-20

Note the significance of how the sacrificial blood was to be applied:

Not only did Moses sprinkle the blood on the altar and upon Aaron and his sons, along with the anointing oil, but each man was marked with blood on the right earlobe, the right thumb, and the right big toe. This was a token reminder that they must listen to God's Word, do God's work, and walk in God's way. The blood speaks of sacrifice, so the priests became "living sacrifices" in the service of the Lord. (The Bible Exposition Commentary: Old Testament )

Many believe that the blood is applied immediately when one accepts Jesus as their personal savior. However, take the time to read the twenty-ninth chapter of Exodus. What you will find is a sequence of events that parallel the New Testament salvation components.

1. Candidate accepts priestly calling.

2. Candidates are washed and adorned with holy garments. Ex 29:4

3. Oil is poured over the head of the priest. Ex 29:7

4. The priestly office is secured. Ex 29:9

5. The blood is applied after obedience to God’s commands above. Ex 29:20

After stating how the priestly office is secured, the Word instructs us about our Christian walk and how to honor God with various types of offerings.

The New Testament parallel is as follows:

1. Acceptance of Jesus sacrifice and repentance

2. Water Baptism (receive the priestly garments)

3. Infilling of the Holy Ghost

4. Priestly office secured

5. Blood of Jesus sacrifice is applied
Thanks for sharing this again.
 

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The scriptures noted say nothing of repentance either but we know that is required.
Tongues is simply prophecy. Prophesying declaring of the will of God not seen . No such thing as a "sign gift". Signs are for the who rebel against prophecy. Prophecy for those who believe in God not seen.

2 Corinthians 5:7(For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
 

JaumeJ

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Anyone who shares Jesus Christ as Lord, God and Savior i profesying. To know Who He is and shae it is prophesy.

Praising God, thanking Him and giving Him all glory is the same. Prophesy is not just foretelling of events … All who believe they know Jesusw Christ is Lord has the spirit of prophesys…......sRevelations.
 

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Tongues is simply prophecy. Prophesying declaring of the will of God not seen . No such thing as a "sign gift". Signs are for the who rebel against prophecy. Prophecy for those who believe in God not seen.

2 Corinthians 5:7(For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
Tongues is NOT prophecy.

If tongues were prophecy, then tongues and prophecy would do the same thing....speaking in tongues and prophesying would do the same things...And 1 Corinthians 14 says that they do DIFFERENT (some distinctlly opposing) things. Therefore your statement is not trustworthy.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby