The serious errors of Oneness/United Pentecostals

Waggles · Aug 11, 2019

not true
show us scripture to prove that there is only ONE (singular) throne in Heaven
for scripture declares
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers
or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.
Colossians 1:

Waggles · Aug 11, 2019

2 And the angel of the LORD appeared to him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush. He looked, and behold, the bush was
burning, yet it was not consumed.
6 And he said, I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” And Moses hid his face,
for he was afraid to look at God.
14 God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”
15 God also said to Moses, “Say this to the people of Israel: ‘The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of
Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is my name forever, and thus I am to be remembered throughout all generations.
Exodus 3:

Waggles · Aug 11, 2019

7seasrekeyed · Aug 11, 2019

FollowHisSteps said:

maybe you should go back to your op here. or are you of two minds?

A picture of New Testament water baptism can be seen in the Tabernacle in the wilderness that God commanded Moses to construct per His specific instructions.

In scripture there are two distinct water applications. The first is a complete washing for entrance into the priesthood. Afterward those who minister must keep their hands and feet spiritually clean by being washed in the water of the Word of God.

A foreshadow of water baptism can be seen in God’s command to Moses to wash Aaron and his sons. They were to be washed prior to being clothed with priestly garments:

“And thou shalt anoint the laver and his foot, and sanctify it. And thou shalt bring Aaron and his sons unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and wash them with water. And thou shalt put upon Aaron the holy garments, and anoint him, and sanctify him; that he may minister unto me in the priest's office. And thou shalt bring his sons, and clothe them with coats:” Exodus 40:11-14

God then instructed the Israelites to wash at the laver in the courtyard before entering the tabernacle. Aaron and his sons were forbidden to enter into the Holy Place without washing at the laver. In fact, they were warned of the consequences for disobedience. They would surely DIE.

Exodus 30:18-21 “Thou shalt also make a laver of brass, and his foot also of brass, to wash withal: and thou shalt put it between the tabernacle of the congregation and the altar, and thou shalt put water therein. For Aaron and his sons shall wash their hands and their feet thereat: When they go into the tabernacle of the congregation, they shall wash with water, that they die not; or when they come near to the altar to minister, to burn offering made by fire unto the LORD: So they shall wash their hands and their feet, that they die not: and it shall be a statute for ever to them, even to him and to his seed throughout their generations.”

As stated above, death would occur if one tried to forego God’s command to wash at the laver. The washing of the natural hands and feet reflects a spiritual reality. We are to do God’s work (with hands) and walk in God’s ways (with feet) in accordance with His Word.

After the initial cleansing had taken place, Moses poured oil over the head of Aaron the high priest. This action parallels the new covenant infilling of the Holy Ghost:

Leviticus 8:12 “And he poured of the anointing oil upon Aaron's head, and anointed him, to sanctify him.”

After being washed, and clothed, Aaron and his sons were marked with blood:

“And thou shalt take the other ram; and Aaron and his sons shall put their hands upon the head of the ram. Then shalt thou kill the ram, and take of his blood, and put it upon the tip of the right ear of Aaron, and upon the tip of the right ear of his sons, and upon the thumb of their right hand, and upon the great toe of their right foot, and sprinkle the blood upon the altar round about.” Exodus 29:19-20

Note the significance of how the sacrificial blood was to be applied:

Not only did Moses sprinkle the blood on the altar and upon Aaron and his sons, along with the anointing oil, but each man was marked with blood on the right earlobe, the right thumb, and the right big toe. This was a token reminder that they must listen to God's Word, do God's work, and walk in God's way. The blood speaks of sacrifice, so the priests became "living sacrifices" in the service of the Lord. (The Bible Exposition Commentary: Old Testament )

Many believe that the blood is applied immediately when one accepts Jesus as their personal savior. However, take the time to read the twenty-ninth chapter of Exodus. What you will find is a sequence of events that parallel the New Testament salvation components.

1. Candidate accepts priestly calling.

2. Candidates are washed and adorned with holy garments. Ex 29:4

3. Oil is poured over the head of the priest. Ex 29:7

4. The priestly office is secured. Ex 29:9

5. The blood is applied after obedience to God’s commands above. Ex 29:20

After stating how the priestly office is secured, the Word instructs us about our Christian walk and how to honor God with various types of offerings.

The New Testament parallel is as follows:

1. Acceptance of Jesus sacrifice and repentance

2. Water Baptism (receive the priestly garments)

3. Infilling of the Holy Ghost

4. Priestly office secured

5. Blood of Jesus sacrifice is applied

FollowHisSteps · Aug 11, 2019

7seasrekeyed said:

maybe you should go back to your op here. or are you of two minds?

A picture of New Testament water baptism can be seen in the Tabernacle in the wilderness that God commanded Moses to construct per His specific instructions.

In scripture there are two distinct water applications. The first is a complete washing for entrance into the priesthood. Afterward those who minister must keep their hands and feet spiritually clean by being washed in the water of the Word of God.

A foreshadow of water baptism can be seen in God’s command to Moses to wash Aaron and his sons. They were to be washed prior to being clothed with priestly garments:

“And thou shalt anoint the laver and his foot, and sanctify it. And thou shalt bring Aaron and his sons unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and wash them with water. And thou shalt put upon Aaron the holy garments, and anoint him, and sanctify him; that he may minister unto me in the priest's office. And thou shalt bring his sons, and clothe them with coats:” Exodus 40:11-14

God then instructed the Israelites to wash at the laver in the courtyard before entering the tabernacle. Aaron and his sons were forbidden to enter into the Holy Place without washing at the laver. In fact, they were warned of the consequences for disobedience. They would surely DIE.

Exodus 30:18-21 “Thou shalt also make a laver of brass, and his foot also of brass, to wash withal: and thou shalt put it between the tabernacle of the congregation and the altar, and thou shalt put water therein. For Aaron and his sons shall wash their hands and their feet thereat: When they go into the tabernacle of the congregation, they shall wash with water, that they die not; or when they come near to the altar to minister, to burn offering made by fire unto the LORD: So they shall wash their hands and their feet, that they die not: and it shall be a statute for ever to them, even to him and to his seed throughout their generations.”

As stated above, death would occur if one tried to forego God’s command to wash at the laver. The washing of the natural hands and feet reflects a spiritual reality. We are to do God’s work (with hands) and walk in God’s ways (with feet) in accordance with His Word.

After the initial cleansing had taken place, Moses poured oil over the head of Aaron the high priest. This action parallels the new covenant infilling of the Holy Ghost:

Leviticus 8:12 “And he poured of the anointing oil upon Aaron's head, and anointed him, to sanctify him.”

After being washed, and clothed, Aaron and his sons were marked with blood:

“And thou shalt take the other ram; and Aaron and his sons shall put their hands upon the head of the ram. Then shalt thou kill the ram, and take of his blood, and put it upon the tip of the right ear of Aaron, and upon the tip of the right ear of his sons, and upon the thumb of their right hand, and upon the great toe of their right foot, and sprinkle the blood upon the altar round about.” Exodus 29:19-20

Note the significance of how the sacrificial blood was to be applied:

Not only did Moses sprinkle the blood on the altar and upon Aaron and his sons, along with the anointing oil, but each man was marked with blood on the right earlobe, the right thumb, and the right big toe. This was a token reminder that they must listen to God's Word, do God's work, and walk in God's way. The blood speaks of sacrifice, so the priests became "living sacrifices" in the service of the Lord. (The Bible Exposition Commentary: Old Testament )

Many believe that the blood is applied immediately when one accepts Jesus as their personal savior. However, take the time to read the twenty-ninth chapter of Exodus. What you will find is a sequence of events that parallel the New Testament salvation components.

1. Candidate accepts priestly calling.

2. Candidates are washed and adorned with holy garments. Ex 29:4

3. Oil is poured over the head of the priest. Ex 29:7

4. The priestly office is secured. Ex 29:9

5. The blood is applied after obedience to God’s commands above. Ex 29:20

After stating how the priestly office is secured, the Word instructs us about our Christian walk and how to honor God with various types of offerings.

The New Testament parallel is as follows:

1. Acceptance of Jesus sacrifice and repentance

2. Water Baptism (receive the priestly garments)

3. Infilling of the Holy Ghost

4. Priestly office secured

5. Blood of Jesus sacrifice is applied

I am not Wansvic nor particular aware of what he follows.
The clue is in I am FollowHisSteps and they are Wansvic

I thought that might be a clue. Are you sure you are ok? Please can you just admit this error,
it would help a little.

7seasrekeyed · Aug 11, 2019

FollowHisSteps said:

ok. where I went wrong in your identity started with yr post 269 in response to someone else

anyway, nope, you aren't responsible for that op so now that I know who is who, I won't confuse you 2 again

I'm fine, thank you. an honest mistake is all.

sorry about that. one of her is enough

Noose · Aug 12, 2019

TLC209 said:

Well we are made in the image of God. We are a person, who have speech and have a spirit.

The Father is God, He has His Word and He has His Spirit.

The only difference is God is a powerful God. We are mere humans. So our speech doesnt have power to create or take on a life of its own. Whereas God's Word became flesh.

Our spirit is a part of us, and we can pick up on people's spirit, some people say it is energy. Our spirit doesnt naturally have power. God's Spirit on the otherhand is powerful and if we allow His Spirit to come into our spirit they become ONE. And we become children of God. Through Gods Spirit. Giving us power love and a soundmind.

The Father, His Word, and His Holy Spirt make up ONE God.
(1 John 5:7)

My physical body, my word, and my spirit all make up me as a person. The only difference is im a human. God has all these aspects as well but He is God. Everything about Him has power and Life. He is the creator. He has His Word, who has been with Him since the beginning. Created everything through His Word.

God is spirit.
Spirit is understanding and in God's case, understanding the truth, so He is truth.
Man being made in the image of God is not about three parts - God is spirit and doesn't have a body.

garee · Aug 12, 2019

Waggles said:

LOL..Show us the foundation of the tongues doctrine or fall backward.?

Psalm 11:2-4 King James Version (KJV) For, lo, the wicked bend their bow, they make ready their arrow upon the string, that they may privily shoot at the upright in heart.If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do? The Lord is in his holy temple, the Lord's throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.

Wansvic · Oct 7, 2019

Nehemiah6 said:

While it is true that there are a couple of instances where the evidence of being baptized with the Holy Spirit was manifested with GENUINE TONGUES (not the modern manifestation) the norm in the book of Acts was that people received the gift of the Holy Spirit WITHOUT SPEAKING IN TONGUES.

SINNERS SAVED BUT NO TONGUES MANIFESTED
1. Acts 2:41 --- about 3,000 Jews saved, no tongues spoken by them
2. Acts 5:14 -- multitudes saved no tongues mentioned
3. Acts 6:7 -- disciples multiplied along with priests, no tongues
4. Acts 8:12,17 -- Samaritans saved, no tongues mentioned
5. Acts 8:37,38 -- Ethiopian saved, no tongues mentioned
6. Acts 9:17,18 -- Saul of Tarsus saved, no tongues mentioned
7. Acts 9:31 -- churches multiplied in Judaea, Galilee, and Samaria, but no tongues
8. Acts 9:35 -- all the inhabitants of Lydda and Saron saved, no tongues mentioned
9. Acts 11: 19-21 -- great numbers believed in the region of Phenice, Cyprus and Antioch, no tongues mentioned
10. Acts 11:22-24 -- Barnabas came to Antioch, many more added, no tongues

There's the proof that you have invented a doctrine out of thin air. We could continue right through the book of Acts and prove that you are the one promoting falsehoods, and definitely promoting false doctrines. So I wonder if you will now have the grace to admit that you are ensnared in false teachings and repent.

The scriptures noted say nothing of repentance either but we know that is required.

JaumeJ · Oct 7, 2019

Is sthere also a "modern Godpel?"

Wansvic · Oct 7, 2019

Nehemiah6 said:

The Word states that a concept is established by 2-3 witnesses. (Dt 19:15, Matt. 18:16, 2 Cor 13:1) There is clear evidence that speaking in tongues proceeded from individuals receiving the Holy Ghost on at least 3 occasions recorded in the Word making it an established concept:

Acts 2:2-4
“And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.”

Acts 2:38-41
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.”

Acts 8:14-18
"Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)”
Note: How did those present know that the Samaritans had not received the Holy Ghost? They knew it because they did not witness any outward evidence. (tongues)

“Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost. And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,”
Note: It is obvious something occurred that convinced Simon that the Holy Ghost was given. There is clear evidence that tongues proceeded from all individuals present on at least 3 occasions recorded in the Word it is an established concept.

Acts 10:44-46
“While Peter yet these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,”

Acts 19:6
“And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.”

Wansvic · Oct 7, 2019

7seasrekeyed said:

maybe you should go back to your op here. or are you of two minds?

A picture of New Testament water baptism can be seen in the Tabernacle in the wilderness that God commanded Moses to construct per His specific instructions.

In scripture there are two distinct water applications. The first is a complete washing for entrance into the priesthood. Afterward those who minister must keep their hands and feet spiritually clean by being washed in the water of the Word of God.

A foreshadow of water baptism can be seen in God’s command to Moses to wash Aaron and his sons. They were to be washed prior to being clothed with priestly garments:

“And thou shalt anoint the laver and his foot, and sanctify it. And thou shalt bring Aaron and his sons unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and wash them with water. And thou shalt put upon Aaron the holy garments, and anoint him, and sanctify him; that he may minister unto me in the priest's office. And thou shalt bring his sons, and clothe them with coats:” Exodus 40:11-14

God then instructed the Israelites to wash at the laver in the courtyard before entering the tabernacle. Aaron and his sons were forbidden to enter into the Holy Place without washing at the laver. In fact, they were warned of the consequences for disobedience. They would surely DIE.

Exodus 30:18-21 “Thou shalt also make a laver of brass, and his foot also of brass, to wash withal: and thou shalt put it between the tabernacle of the congregation and the altar, and thou shalt put water therein. For Aaron and his sons shall wash their hands and their feet thereat: When they go into the tabernacle of the congregation, they shall wash with water, that they die not; or when they come near to the altar to minister, to burn offering made by fire unto the LORD: So they shall wash their hands and their feet, that they die not: and it shall be a statute for ever to them, even to him and to his seed throughout their generations.”

As stated above, death would occur if one tried to forego God’s command to wash at the laver. The washing of the natural hands and feet reflects a spiritual reality. We are to do God’s work (with hands) and walk in God’s ways (with feet) in accordance with His Word.

After the initial cleansing had taken place, Moses poured oil over the head of Aaron the high priest. This action parallels the new covenant infilling of the Holy Ghost:

Leviticus 8:12 “And he poured of the anointing oil upon Aaron's head, and anointed him, to sanctify him.”

After being washed, and clothed, Aaron and his sons were marked with blood:

“And thou shalt take the other ram; and Aaron and his sons shall put their hands upon the head of the ram. Then shalt thou kill the ram, and take of his blood, and put it upon the tip of the right ear of Aaron, and upon the tip of the right ear of his sons, and upon the thumb of their right hand, and upon the great toe of their right foot, and sprinkle the blood upon the altar round about.” Exodus 29:19-20

Note the significance of how the sacrificial blood was to be applied:

Not only did Moses sprinkle the blood on the altar and upon Aaron and his sons, along with the anointing oil, but each man was marked with blood on the right earlobe, the right thumb, and the right big toe. This was a token reminder that they must listen to God's Word, do God's work, and walk in God's way. The blood speaks of sacrifice, so the priests became "living sacrifices" in the service of the Lord. (The Bible Exposition Commentary: Old Testament )

Many believe that the blood is applied immediately when one accepts Jesus as their personal savior. However, take the time to read the twenty-ninth chapter of Exodus. What you will find is a sequence of events that parallel the New Testament salvation components.

1. Candidate accepts priestly calling.

2. Candidates are washed and adorned with holy garments. Ex 29:4

3. Oil is poured over the head of the priest. Ex 29:7

4. The priestly office is secured. Ex 29:9

5. The blood is applied after obedience to God’s commands above. Ex 29:20

After stating how the priestly office is secured, the Word instructs us about our Christian walk and how to honor God with various types of offerings.

The New Testament parallel is as follows:

1. Acceptance of Jesus sacrifice and repentance

2. Water Baptism (receive the priestly garments)

3. Infilling of the Holy Ghost

4. Priestly office secured

5. Blood of Jesus sacrifice is applied

Thanks for sharing this again.

garee · Oct 8, 2019

Wansvic said:

Tongues is simply prophecy. Prophesying declaring of the will of God not seen . No such thing as a "sign gift". Signs are for the who rebel against prophecy. Prophecy for those who believe in God not seen.

2 Corinthians 5:7(For we walk by faith, not by sight

JaumeJ · Oct 8, 2019

Anyone who shares Jesus Christ as Lord, God and Savior i profesying. To know Who He is and shae it is prophesy.

Praising God, thanking Him and giving Him all glory is the same. Prophesy is not just foretelling of events … All who believe they know Jesusw Christ is Lord has the spirit of prophesys…......sRevelations.

KelbyofGod · Oct 21, 2019

garee said:

Tongues is NOT prophecy.

If tongues were prophecy, then tongues and prophecy would do the same thing....speaking in tongues and prophesying would do the same things...And 1 Corinthians 14 says that they do DIFFERENT (some distinctlly opposing) things. Therefore your statement is not trustworthy.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

just_truth · Jul 19, 2020

Nehemiah6 said:

When one examines the serious errors of this breakaway group of Pentecostals, it seems that they are actually a cult, like the Jehovah’s Witnesses. Some have actually described them as a “hidden cult”. And there are probably over 2.5 million people who have been deceived into following this cult.

There are several groups who hold to the doctrines of Oneness Pentecostals: United Pentecostal Church International, Apostolic World Christian Federation, Assemblies of the Lord Jesus Christ, Church of the Lord Jesus Christ of the Apostolic Faith, Pentecostal Assemblies of the World.

SERIOUS DOCTRINAL ERRORS
According to Pentecostals – Statistics and Denominations:
‘There are 80 Pentecostal denominations that are classified as Jesus' Name or Oneness Pentecostalism (often self identifying as "Apostolic Pentecostals"). These differ from the rest of Pentecostalism in several significant ways.

[1] Oneness Pentecostals reject the doctrine of the Trinity. They do not describe God as three persons but rather as three manifestations of the one living God. [Note: This is the heresy of Modalism or Sabellianism]

[2] Oneness Pentecostals practice Jesus' Name Baptism—water baptisms performed in the name of Jesus Christ, rather than that of the Trinity. [Note: This is a rejection of the very words of Christ regarding baptism in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost]

[3] Oneness Pentecostal adherents believe repentance, baptism in Jesus' name, and Spirit baptism are all essential elements of the conversion experience. [Note: This is a rejection of the Bible doctrine of justification (salvation) by grace through faith in Christ and His finished work of redemption apart from any works of righteousness]

[4] Oneness Pentecostals hold that repentance is necessary before baptism to make the ordinance valid, and receipt of the Holy Spirit manifested by speaking in other tongues is necessary afterwards, to complete the work of baptism. [Note: This is a rejection of the Bible truth that not all Christians will speak in tongues, and also the meaning of the genuine gift of tongues]

This differs from other Pentecostals, along with evangelical Christians in general, who see only repentance and faith in Christ as essential to salvation. This has resulted in Oneness believers being accused by some (including other Pentecostals) of a "works-salvation" soteriology, a charge they vehemently deny. [Note: All cults deny that they are a cult].

Oneness Pentecostals insist that salvation comes by grace through faith in Christ, coupled with obedience to his command to be "born of water and of the Spirit"; hence, no good works or obedience to laws or rules can save anyone. For them, baptism is not seen as a "work" but rather the indispensable means that Jesus himself provided to come into his kingdom. The major Oneness churches include the United Pentecostal Church International and the Pentecostal Assemblies of the World.
https://www.liquisearch.com/pentecostalism/statistics_and_denominations

HISTORY
‘The founding date of the Oneness Pentecostal movement can be traced to a specific event: a revival meeting in Los Angeles on April 15, 1913. The culmination of the meeting occurred when Canadian revivalist R.E. McAlister baptized converts not according to the Trinitarian formula of the historic Christian Church, but in the name of Jesus only...

The next significant date in the development of the movement occurred exactly two years later, on April 15, 1915, when [Frank] Ewart gave his first sermon on Acts 2:38. David Reed believes that, despite the claims of Oneness Pentecostals that Ewart preached the message given to him by McCalister, Ewart did not actually develop his modalistic theology until after this sermon. Nonetheless, the approximate date for the development of Ewart’s teaching regarding the necessity of baptism in the name of Jesus only can be traced to this period.

Also on this date, Ewart rebaptized supporter Glenn A. Cook according to the Jesus only formula; Cook then rebaptized Ewart. This was the beginning of the rebaptism of thousands of Pentecostals. The Oneness movement quickly spread through Pentecostal churches, particularly the Assemblies of God. The AG debated the issue of baptism in Jesus’ name at their 1915 general assembly, and in 1916 defeated the movement in their denomination by requiring adherence to Trinitarian theology in the Statement of Fundamental Truths.

156 ministers subsequently left the AG to form an independent Oneness denomination. In January, 1918, the General Assembly of the Apostolic Assemblies merged with the Pentecostal Assemblies of the World, a denomination affiliated with the original Pentecostal revival on Azusa Street in Los Angeles...’
https://www.watchman.org/profiles/pdf/onenesspentecostalismprofile.pdf

This tells us that Pentecostals in general REJECT the teachings of Oneness Pentecostals. And so should all Bible-believing Christians.

STRICT CODE OF CONDUCT
On the plus side, Oneness Pentecostals believe in a strict code of conduct, but when it is tied to maintaining salvation, then it is unbiblical. Sanctification is not about *maintaining* salvation but working out your salvation with fear and trembling. Big difference.

‘Oneness movements’ emphases on personal holiness and healthy lifestyles are commendable. Nevertheless, the requirements for outward adherence to a strict moral code in order to maintain salvation inevitably leads to legalism and a lack of assurance of eternal life.’
http://www.marketfaith.org/the-hidden-cult-of-oneness-pentecostalism/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHEr8-QuPsU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oriJkTOJFw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6AyeNt9DVs&t=2s

just_truth · Jul 19, 2020

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6AyeNt9DVs&t=2s

JaumeJ · Jul 19, 2020

Any man-named denomination is a sect or cult, unless anyone here may name the one to which Jesus-Yeshua and the Apostles claimed as their own

The only denomination that could possibly not be a cult or sect would be the one headed by our Savior and of the Faith of Abraham, which He teaches us, since we are joined to the original Flock by the Good Shepherd.

Prycejosh1987 · Jul 20, 2020

Nehemiah6 said:

If someone believes they need to do more to get into heaven, i wont say anything about that, i wish them the best of luck. If someone trains for a year to take part in the same race as someone who trains for 2 months then good luck them both. It just means the one training harder is more likely to win the race and also get more rewards on completion.

just_truth · Jul 27, 2020

The Bible maintains a clear distinction between God and His Son, but also says that " all the fullness of Deity dwell in Christ in bodily form " ( Col. 2 : 9 ). There are things that humans do not know because it has not been explained to us. There are also things that we humans simply unable to understand, even if it is explained to us. With the knowledge that we do not understand God, the following is proposed :

The universe consist of time, space, matter, but God the Father (the One True God, YHVH of hosts) exits outside of time, space, matter, but that where the wisdom and power, that created our universe came from. He is presently living in eternity pass. This is bid stuff, so let me all it to digest.

So now the scriptures identify the Son as " the Beginning ". This is understood to say that He is the Beginning of time, space and matter. He brings eternity pass into time.

Consequently, one cannot separate the universe from the Son; God brought the universe into being by bringing His Son into being. His Son is that immense explosion of Energy that brought this universe into being. He is the "big bang"; not an uncontrolled explosion, but an incomprehensible planned and guided explosion. ( Gen. 1 & St. John 1 ).
But this Son is a Person, by which I mean the He is aware of Himself and aware of other living things. He is not only a Person; He is an intensely loving Person. He was willing to become a human being and even to die at the hands of evil men, because He loves His sinful creatures.

So base on the scriptures we should maintain the distinction between God and His Son, we should also keep in mind the Son's attributes: " By him (the Son) all things were created (Col. 1 : 15, 16). "He is before all things" (Col. 1 : 17 ). He is the " Alpha and Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end"(Rev. 22 : 13).

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