The Sign Of Jonah

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I have no doubt you feel this is correct and that you are sincere in what you believe but please, just for a moment, let us say for the sake of argument that you are correct and Jesus did die on Wednesday (he didn't but lest just say he did). We are told that he died at the ninth hour which is 3:00 pm. If he has to be in the tomb for a full 72 hours, on what time of what day does Jesus have to rise to satisfy the 72 hours?

He Had to raise from the dead no sooner then The start of the first day of the week which was saturday sunset..

 

[oldhermit]

He Had to raise from the dead no sooner then The start of the first day of the week which was saturday sunset..

Then that is still several hours short of 72 hours. If he was buried on at 5:00 pm Wednesday as you propose, he would have to have risen at 5:00 pm Saturday for it to be 72 hours. If he was buried at 5:00 pm Thursday then he would have had to have remained in the grave until 5:00 pm Sunday for it to have been 72 hours. If he was buried on at 5:00 pm of Friday then he would have had to have been in the grave until 5:00 pm Monday to make it 72 hours. Yet, scripture tells us that he rose very early on Sunday morning. The 72 hour theory will not work mathematically, contextually, logically, or prophetically,

 

[oldhermit]

Their own burial customs may satisfy the Jews (who got many things wrong according to Jesus) but Jesus died for the whole world and that needs answers from SCRIPTURE....not people's customs and habits...bad ones at that.

You are not making one bit of since. The scripture tells us under no uncertain terms how he was buried and confirms that it was in accordance with the custom of the Jews. If scripture does not have a problem with this, why do you?

 

[oldhermit]

I already worked it out for you day by day in #146....from the time Jesus was placed in the tomb to the time He resurrected HE HIMSELF predicted 3 night time periods and 3 day time periods.
If Jesus was placed in the tomb friday sunset (as you believe) that would take His resurrection into the following week according to Jesus' own prediction. We are told He was already risen very early sunday morning...so where are the 3 nights and 3 days ?

Please also remember 'He was ''already risen'' when He was first seen on sunday - He was ''not just rising then'' --it means He rose ''before He was seen''. He rose at sunset on the Sabbath, 3 days and 3 nights after having been placed in the tomb on the day of preparation before the 'first day of unl bread which was an annual sabbath .
We can go through it again if you like !

The math does not work. See post #162.

 

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The Jews reckoned a day as beginning as sunset. Night was divided into "watches".

First watch – sundown to 9PM
Second watch – 9PM to midnight
Third watch – midnight to 3AM
Fourth watch – 3AM to sunrise


Exodus 14:24 And it came to pass, that in the morning watch the LORD looked unto the host of the Egyptians through the pillar of fire and of the cloud, and troubled the host of the Egyptians


Judges 7:19 So Gideon, and the hundred men that were with him, came unto the outside of the camp in the beginning of the middle watch; and they had but newly set the watch: and they blew the trumpets, and brake the pitchers that were in their hands.


Psalm 63:6 When I remember thee upon my bed, and meditate on thee in the night watches.


Psalm 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.


Lamentations 2:19 Arise, cry out in the night: in the beginning of the watches pour out thine heart like water before the face of the Lord ...



Days begin with dawn and end with sundown. Length of days vary with the seasons.


First hour – dawn
Third hour – 9AM
Sixth hour – Noon
Ninth hour – 3PM


Matthew 20:3 And he went out about the third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace.


Mark 15:25 And it was the third hour, and they crucified Him.


Acts 2:15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.



Matthew 20:5 Again he went out about the sixth and ninth hour, and did likewise.


Matthew 27:45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness ...


John 4:6 Now Jacob's well was there. Jesus therefore, being wearied with His journey, sat thus on the well: and it was about the sixth hour.


John 19:14 And it was the preparation of the Passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!


Acts 10:9 On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour



Acts 3:1 Now Peter and John went up together into the temple at the hour of prayer, being the ninth hour


Acts 10:3 He saw in a vision evidently about the ninth hour of the day and angel of God coming in to him, and saying unto him, Cornelius.


Acts 10:30 And Cornelius said, Four days ago I was fasting until this hour; and at the ninth hour I prayed in my house, and, behold, a man stood before me in bright clothing.

It does not matter which 'watch or what 'hour when a 'period of time is counted as 'a day or a night, they are still each 12 hours long.

 

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You are not making one bit of since. The scripture tells us under no uncertain terms how he was buried and confirms that it was in accordance with the custom of the Jews. If scripture does not have a problem with this, why do you?

Friend, Jesus had a lot of problems with the Jews customs and traditions !!! why do you think they wanted Him dead ? Why are you standing up for them thus putting Jesus in the wrong ? He was exposing their unrighteous doings which seem quite acceptible to you .
Do you think just because scripture makes a 'statement it is necessarily in favour of wrongdoers ?

I will check out the post you mention.

 

[oldhermit]

Friend, Jesus had a lot of problems with the Jews customs and traditions !!! why do you think they wanted Him dead ? Why are you standing up for them thus putting Jesus in the wrong ? He was exposing their unrighteous doings which seem quite acceptible to you .
Do you think just because scripture makes a 'statement it is necessarily in favour of wrongdoers ?

I will check out the post you mention.

Well, whether you believe it right or wrong, the scripture still confirms that this was the way in which he was buried. Just because it was custom does not necessarily make it wrong.

 

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Then that is still several hours short of 72 hours. If he was buried on at 5:00 pm Wednesday as you propose, he would have to have risen at 5:00 pm Saturday for it to be 72 hours. If he was buried at 5:00 pm Thursday then he would have had to have remained in the grave until 5:00 pm Sunday for it to have been 72 hours. If he was buried on at 5:00 pm of Friday then he would have had to have been in the grave until 5:00 pm Monday to make it 72 hours. Yet, scripture tells us that he rose very early on Sunday morning. The 72 hour theory will not work mathematically, contextually, logically, or prophetically,

Please give scripture saying Jesus rose very early sunday morning !

The 72 hour period does not work for you because you belive the good friday-easter sunday scenario fed to gullible christians by the church at Rome and aided by Constantine.

 

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Well, whether you believe it right or wrong, the scripture still confirms that this was the way in which he was buried. Just because it was custom does not necessarily make it wrong.

I am not questioning the fact that Jesus was buried that way and it was acceptable to the Jews ---
but Jesus is not their property, He is the Son of God and HE will have things done properly....why else did the women make ointments and perfumes to 'anoint Him ? If the jewish custom was sufficient that would have been the end of it.

 

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yes you would think that answers all human reasoning, but it does not. Some just won't accept 'Jesus own' prediction Mat 12v40.

Exactly.......instead of faith they just embellish, take away, add to, reject the obvious......these long drawn out guesses and exercises on surmising something....the bible is clear....three days and three nights...compared to JONAH....and he rose the 1st day of the week (SUNDAY) and according to ACTS.....the day begins at 6 am (disciples accused of being drunk by the third hour of the day) It is not that difficult.....blows my mind...people get wrapped around the axle and like to portray themselves as these great theologians with their long drawn out explanations of why it has to be this way instead of just taking it at face value, by faith and not being removed from the simplicity that is found in JESUS and his word..........

 

[oldhermit]

Please give scripture saying Jesus rose very early sunday morning !

The 72 hour period does not work for you because you belive the good friday-easter sunday scenario fed to gullible christians by the church at Rome and aided by Constantine.

LOL. I could not care less what the RCC believes or teaches. That is an organization from hell. I believe this because of the evidence I see from the language of the biblical text.

"Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons." Mark 16:9

 

[oldhermit]

I am not questioning the fact that Jesus was buried that way and it was acceptable to the Jews ---
but Jesus is not their property, He is the Son of God and HE will have things done properly....why else did the women make ointments and perfumes to 'anoint Him ? If the jewish custom was sufficient that would have been the end of it.

I am sorry mam. I just do not understand why this is an issue for you. It made no difference HOW he was buried, only that he WAS buried. If we can agree on this, perhaps we can move on to other matters.

 

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Then that is still several hours short of 72 hours. If he was buried on at 5:00 pm Wednesday as you propose, he would have to have risen at 5:00 pm Saturday for it to be 72 hours. If he was buried at 5:00 pm Thursday then he would have had to have remained in the grave until 5:00 pm Sunday for it to have been 72 hours. If he was buried on at 5:00 pm of Friday then he would have had to have been in the grave until 5:00 pm Monday to make it 72 hours. Yet, scripture tells us that he rose very early on Sunday morning. The 72 hour theory will not work mathematically, contextually, logically, or prophetically,

He was buried just before sunset on Wednesday and was raised from the dead Saturday sunset.. Count the days 3 days and 3 nights in the tomb..

Wednesday Night: 1st Night
Thursday Day: 1st Day
Thursday Night: 2nd Night
Friday Day: 2nd Day
Friday Night: 3rd Night
Saturday Day: 3rd Day

3 Nights and 3 Days in the earth..

Matthew 12:LKV

40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three

days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Yet, scripture tells us that he rose very early on Sunday morning.

No it doesn't..

Matthew 28: KJV

1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre. 2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it. 3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow: 4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men. 5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified. 6He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.


So it was the end of the Sabbath... When was the End of the Sabbath?? Saturday Sunset.. The word that has you and many others confused is the word Dawn.. ""as it began to dawn towards the first day of the week"" Dawn is simply stating that it was the start of the day.. We have sayings like the dawn of the age of steam or the dawn of the new century. Or dawn of the industrial age. Dawn simply means the start of something.. It is not talking about the sun rising.. "" You can actually read the first part and see what time it was ""In the end of the sabbath"" So it was the trasition period between the ending of the Sabbath and the start of the first day of the week.. And also note that when the Angel pulled away the stone that Jesus was not in the tomb He was not there..

 

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I have no doubt you feel this is correct and that you are sincere in what you believe but please, just for a moment, let us say for the sake of argument that you are correct and Jesus did die on Wednesday (he didn't but lest just say he did). We are told that he died at the ninth hour which is 3:00 pm. If he has to be in the tomb for a full 72 hours, on what time of what day does Jesus have to rise to satisfy the 72 hours?

Friend, Jesus did not say it would be 3 days and 3 nights from the time he died to his resurrection--
but from the time He would be in the heart of the earth, the tomb---and He fulfilled it to the minute---because HIS Word is Truth !

 

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LOL. I could not care less what the RCC believes or teaches. That is an organization from hell. I believe this because of the evidence I see from the language of the biblical text.

Well thats a good thing as an ex catholic i am glad you have that stance. But you go on to post scripture that says:::

"Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons." Mark 16:9

When is early on the first day of the week by Biblical definition ??? the start of Saturday night.. So early on the first day of the week is saturday night just after sunset..

 

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Friend, Jesus did not say it would be 3 days and 3 nights from the time he died to his resurrection--
but from the time He would be in the heart of the earth, the tomb---and He fulfilled it to the minute---because HIS Word is Truth !

AMEN Simple fact often overlooked by many..

 

[oldhermit]

Well thats a good thing as an ex catholic i am glad you have that stance. But you go on to post scripture that says:::



When is early on the first day of the week by Biblical definition ??? the start of Saturday night.. So early on the first day of the week is saturday night just after sunset..

Let is suppose for a moment that he had risen as early as the very beginning of the first day of the week which would have been just after sunset. If this is the case, then he would have been in the tomb longer than 72 hours.

Jesus he was placed in the tomb probably no earlier than five or five thirty pm because he died at 3:00 pm and let us say that it took perhaps two hours for them to remove the body from the cross, take it home, and complete the preparations for burial, and have him in the tomb by 5:00 pm before the Sabbath began. We know this because the women still had time to prepare additional spices before the Sabbath began. If he then rose at the very beginning of the first day of the week, then he was in the tomb for more than 72 hours.

 

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LOL. I could not care less what the RCC believes or teaches. That is an organization from hell. I believe this because of the evidence I see from the language of the biblical text.

"Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons." Mark 16:9

This translation is BAD grammar !!! but when we take into consideration other timelines we can actually know that 'early the first day of the week He was already risen....He was 'not rising at that time. By the time He was SEEN walking about (early sunday morning)He had already risen before - unseen !

Here is something else for you to ponder on . Thomas, one of the disciples said he would not believe unless he SAW and TOUCHED Jesus first....so what did Jesus say to that ? because you have SEEN me you believe, but BLESSED are those who believe and have not seen !Joh 20.
Perhaps you can see the difference it makes as to what and how we believe !

 

[oldhermit]

This translation is BAD grammar !!! but when we take into consideration other timelines we can actually know that 'early the first day of the week He was already risen....He was 'not rising at that time. By the time He was SEEN walking about (early sunday morning)He had already risen before - unseen !

Here is something else for you to ponder on . Thomas, one of the disciples said he would not believe unless he SAW and TOUCHED Jesus first....so what did Jesus say to that ? because you have SEEN me you believe, but BLESSED are those who believe and have not seen !Joh 20.
Perhaps you can see the difference it makes as to what and how we believe !

There is nothing wrong with the grammar of the translation of this verse. In fact, it is extraordinarily precise.

Ἀναστὰς δὲ πρωῒ πρώτῃ σαββάτου
Literally, "Having risen however, the first day of the week."

 

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Let is suppose for a moment that he had risen as early as the very beginning of the first day of the week which would have been just after sunset. If this is the case, then he would have been in the tomb longer than 72 hours.

Jesus he was placed in the tomb probably no earlier than five or five thirty pm because he died at 3:00 pm and let us say that it took perhaps two hours for them to remove the body from the cross, take it home, and complete the preparations for burial, and have him in the tomb by 5:00 pm before the Sabbath began. We know this because the women still had time to prepare additional spices before the Sabbath began. If he then rose at the very beginning of the first day of the week, then he was in the tomb for more than 72 hours.

I believe Jesus was in the earth for 3 days and 3 nights .. You seem to be speculating as to the exact time Jesus was physically laid on the tomb and making up a theory that adds some time in an effort to destroy the fact that Jesus was in the earth for 3 days and 3 nights.. Your clutching at straws..

What is it that makes people resist and cling to the friday theory?? When athests and jews use that very theory to discredit Jesus as being the true Messiah.. That rightly argue that the friday doctrine shows that Jesus did not spend 3 days and 3 nights in the earth and they use it to undermine the faith of some and justify their own rejection of the LORD Jesus Christ..

The Wednesday doctrine should be something that Christians crab onto with joy as confirmation that the Prophecy of Jonah was fulfilled to the Letter... I really cannot understand where the resistance is originating from... Is it simply people having faith in the traditions they where taught by their elders? Feeling that to change would be an act of betrayal, to call their elders liars?

God knows..