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Yes, I realize the difference, but where in the New Testament does it command us to defend ourselves?
You are diverting away from the point I made. The point is that if you were a Christian back then, and Saul (Paul) just persecuted your family, would you have the right to kill him in self defense? My point being is that if you were set out to use lethal force against Saul so as to protect your family in self defense, would it have been in God's will? I say not. Because Saul turned out to be a great Christian leader.
You are diverting away from the point I made. The point is that if you were a Christian back then, and Saul (Paul) just persecuted your family, would you have the right to kill him in self defense? My point being is that if you were set out to use lethal force against Saul so as to protect your family in self defense, would it have been in God's will? I say not. Because Saul turned out to be a great Christian leader.
I can't do this any longer. It's kind of like talking to an answering machine. I feel like the only way we can get anywhere is if we could press 0 to talk to an operator. You just keep saying the same things over and over again as if you can't hear the responses.
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"THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SPIRITUAL PERSECUTION AND LETTING SOME 22 YEAR OLD GANG BANGER RAPE AND MURDER YOUR NEIGHBORS CHILD!!"
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"THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SPIRITUAL PERSECUTION AND LETTING SOME 22 YEAR OLD GANG BANGER RAPE AND MURDER YOUR NEIGHBORS CHILD!!"
If it sounds ludicrous- it is. The whole idea that God would want us to do nothing is Ludicrous. If it seems wrong that JD is being sarcastic regarding this whole situation just keep in mind how wrong it is to believe that we as christians should do nothing!. What JD has accurately shown is that man can twist scripture to fit his view. It's not that far off from what Jason is saying. Love your enemies, don't deny anyone what they ask of you. JD is showing how Jason is taking these words out of context. JD was intentionally trying to show you just how ridiculous this is.. I think he did a good job.
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I sympathize with your frustration, and really I just wanted to use Jason's reasoning as an example. For him, now, it's now about saving Paul, since he did some things that may have warranted self-defense. LOL.
It's as if God just couldn't get by without Paul. Thinking about it, I wonder if someone would have stepped up and saved Steven what pearls of wisdom he may have shared with the world. It's a silly moot point, though. God doesn't need people, people need God.
And really I just wanted to expose this movement for what it really is, and what the people caught up in it are really like. They're not the compassionate saints they claim to me, and many of them are quite heartless and vile. Others, not so much, and normally when you reason with those they'll pull back on their pacifism.
It's as if God just couldn't get by without Paul. Thinking about it, I wonder if someone would have stepped up and saved Steven what pearls of wisdom he may have shared with the world. It's a silly moot point, though. God doesn't need people, people need God.
And really I just wanted to expose this movement for what it really is, and what the people caught up in it are really like. They're not the compassionate saints they claim to me, and many of them are quite heartless and vile. Others, not so much, and normally when you reason with those they'll pull back on their pacifism.
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Well, on that last sentence, I disagree. JD could have provided a much better example, rather than using rape as something to laugh about, whether he was trying to make a point or not. There are several rape victims on here, and I don't think they will find it as funny as you all seem to. These comments were in really vulgar taste..just sayin'..
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I didn't construe anybody making light of rape, rather using some heinous crime like this an example of the absurdity of such pacifism, when it's really self righteousness taken to an immoral extreme of being careless of others, which is not love. Bear in mind, plain scripture and simple reason were getting nowhere, this whole discussion reaching absurdity, my opinion yesterday the discussion was had, then.
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Can you think of a better way to incorporate the atrocities in question with the teaching "don't deny those who ask of you?" I do understand your point, there are rape victims on here, and you know what I would think offends them the most? christians saying they shouldn't defend themselves, nor should other christians defend them. That would offend me and DOES offend me more than I could ever describe.