The Spirit Of Christ

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Blik

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It is my spiritual understanding that the Son advocates for us to the Father.
Jesus told us to address our prayers directly to the Father. He said to pray like this: Our Father who is in heaven, hallowed by thy name..........
 

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Jesus told us to address our prayers directly to the Father. He said to pray like this: Our Father who is in heaven, hallowed by thy name..........
I pray like that each morning before heading out the door to go to work.

...thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

Each day the Father provides my daily bread.
 
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1JOHN 2:1.
My little children, these things write I unto you, that you sin not.
And if any man sin, we have an Advocate with The Father, Jesus Christ The Righteous:
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And He is the Propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
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And hereby we do know that we know Him, if we keep His Commandments.
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He that says, I know Him, and keeps not His Commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
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But whoso keeps His Word, in him verily is the Love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in Him.
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He that says he abides in Him ought himself also so to walk, even as He walked.
 

Blik

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I pray like that each morning before heading out the door to go to work.

...thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

Each day the Father provides my daily bread.
Isn't this a great prayer!

When the remnant returned from Babylon they had lost knowledge of the Lord so they gathered a group of wise men to instruct then. It is called the Great Assembly, and it consisted of 120 sages and prophets. One of the things they did was compose this prayer, only in a much longer version. It is not written in scripture but Jews still pray with these words. It is called the Amidah.
 

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Rom 8:15 . . For you have not received a spirit of slavery again to fear;
but you have received a spirit of adoption

The spirit of adoption serves a very special purpose. It imparts to adoptees
the heartfelt bond that enables adopted children to feel the love, and the
friendship, and the security feelings that natural-born boys and girls feel
with their birth parents.

Sometimes adopted children feel somewhat inferior to natural-born children;
and I think that's likely a very normal reaction. The spirit of adoption is no
doubt intended to prevent those kinds of negative thoughts and insure that
everyone in God's home feels just as equally welcome and belonging as
Christ.

Let me show you something that's so astounding that it's nigh unto
impossible to believe is really a fact.

There's a couple of Greek verbs translated "love" in the New Testament. One
of them is agapao (ag-ap-ah'-o) which is an impersonal kind of benevolence,
i.e. it's civil, but not necessarily affectionate. Everyone practices agapao
from time to time by means of courtesy, sympathy, charity, and kindness,
etc.

An example of agapao is located in John 3:16 where it's said that God loved
the world; but that God doesn't necessarily mean He likes the world. In point
of fact, we know from Gen 6:6-7 that God would be content were the world
dead and gone.

The other verb is phileo (fil-eh'-o) which always, and without exception,
expresses fondness, attachment, and affection. An example of phileo is
located in John 16:27 where Jesus stated:

"The Father himself loves you because you have loved me and have believed
that I came from God."

It's very difficult for those of us brought up in dysfunctional homes, or the
foster system, or an orphanage to believe that anybody, anywhere, feels the
slightest affection for us. But there it is in clear type. The Father is attached,
bonded, and strongly sentimental with everyone to whom John 16:27
applies.

Knowing that you're loved is quite a bit different than feeling loved. In time,
the spirit of adoption makes the Father's paternal feelings just as real for
people brought into His home as they are for Christ. Pretty amazing.
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MyrtleTrees

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True! For example:
Gen 1:26

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
KJV
 

MyrtleTrees

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Isn't this a great prayer!

When the remnant returned from Babylon they had lost knowledge of the Lord so they gathered a group of wise men to instruct then. It is called the Great Assembly, and it consisted of 120 sages and prophets. One of the things they did was compose this prayer, only in a much longer version. It is not written in scripture but Jews still pray with these words. It is called the Amidah.
I see. It was also in Jesus model prayer (to teach new believers how to pray):
Matt 6:10

10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
KJV
 

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. . . Well; as one might guess, that experience motivated me to take a very
strong interest in resolving my concern with Rom 8:9, and got me to
seriously thinking about consulting a pastor because I had been aware of the
possibility of my ending up in hell ever since I was old enough to
understand, but never so worried about it as I was then.

Romans 8:9
Dedicated to Webers.Home for your consistently thoughtful ruminations on the meaning and significance of Scripture :)
 

MyrtleTrees

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It is my spiritual understanding that the Son advocates for us to the Father.
That's right!
Hebrews 7:25 ESV Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them.
Phil 2:10-11
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
KJV
Heb 7:25
25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
KJV
 

Magenta

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Jesus told us to address our prayers directly to the Father. He said to pray like this: Our Father who is in heaven, hallowed by thy name..........
I pray like that each morning before heading out the door to go to work.

...thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

Each day the Father provides my daily bread.


The Lord's Prayer:)
 

MyrtleTrees

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Rom 8:8-9 . .You are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the spirit
of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the spirit of Christ, he
does not belong to Him.


Rom 8:10-11 . . And if Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of
sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. But if the spirit of Him
who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus
from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His spirit who
indwells you.


There's a tricky nuance in those two passages that's easily overlooked if one
isn't aware of it.


In a nutshell; the spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead is the spirit
of a father, whereas the spirit of Christ is the spirit of a son; for example:


Gal 4:6 . . Because you are sons, God has sent the spirit of His son into
our hearts, calling out, "Abba! Father."


"Abba" is an English transliteration of the Aramaic word abba.

"Father" is an English translation of the Greek word pater.

The Aramaic and the Greek both refer to a male parent. However, there's a
tricky nuance in there.


Pater is a simple noun; whereas Abba is a vocative. In other words; when a
son has his father's attention, then pater is the appropriate way to address
him. But when trying to get his father's attention, then abba is the
appropriate way for the son to address him.


To the point: The voice heard in the man's dream was saying to him (in so
many words): I want you to be my son. Go and find out how; and be quick
about it.
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Yes, those who find Christ are those who seek Him eagerly. And who are very hungry for Him.
 

Blik

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I see. It was also in Jesus model prayer (to teach new believers how to pray):
Matt 6:10

10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
KJV
The model prayer that Jesus taught was not "also", it was the same prayer only Jesus condensed it, summarizing the prayer.

The Jews ruined the prayer by adding to it after Christ, an addition that expresses their belief that Christ is not the Messiah.
 

MyrtleTrees

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The model prayer that Jesus taught was not "also", it was the same prayer only Jesus condensed it, summarizing the prayer.

The Jews ruined the prayer by adding to it after Christ, an addition that expresses their belief that Christ is not the Messiah.
Oh I see. I hadn't realised the Jews had added onto that model "Lord's prayer" that Jesus quoted.
 

Webers.Home

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Speaking of prayer; the Spirit of Christ has somewhat to say about it.

Gal 4:6 . . And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His
son into your hearts calling out: Abba! Father.

That verse reveals something very important. The Spirit of His son always
compels Christ's believing followers to call out to his Father, never to his
mother, and the reason for that is actually quite simple. Christ always prays
to his Father; never to his mother; ergo: the Father's children exhibit the
very same behavior because the Spirit of His son compels them to pray like
His son.

That, by the way, is a pretty good litmus test. If somebody is comfortable
praying to Jesus' mom, they give away the fact that they lack the Spirit of
God's son in their hearts; which means of course that they have yet to
undergo adoption into His home.

Rom 8:15 . . For you have not received a spirit of bondage again to fear;
but you have received a spirit of adoption, whereby we call out: Abba!
Father.

The Bible instructs Christ's believing followers to pray in the Spirit (Eph
6:18, Jude 1:20). When people pray in the Spirit; they pray in accordance
with Mark 14:35-36, Gal 4:6, and Rom 8:15. In other words: they don't pray
to Mary and/or angels and departed saints; no, they pray to the Son's
Father just as he did.

Bottom line: God's kin should feel an overwhelming compulsion to pray to
their adoptive Father without their having to be told to. It should come
naturally (so to speak), just as naturally as it came to Jesus. And they
should feel an equally overwhelming disgust for praying to somebody else.

So then, people with a habit of praying to Jesus' mom and/or angels and
departed saints; obviously have neither the spirit of God's son in their heart,
nor the spirit of adoption; and that is a very serious condition to be in.

Rom 8:9 . . If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not
belong to Christ.
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MyrtleTrees

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Right! And God's Word strictly forbids praying to ANYONE except for to God alone!
Matt 4:10

10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
KJV

Ex 20:3

3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
KJV
 
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Rom 8:9 . . If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not
belong to Christ.


Back in the decade of the 1970's, during my era as a relatively new covert to
biblical Christianity, I reasoned that if the Spirit of Christ was actually inside
my body, I should be able to detect His presence. I mean, how could
somebody like that possibly be in there without my knowing it?


When I shared my concern with a pastor, he reminded me that the Spirit of
Christ is a sentient paranormal being consisting of something less than thin
air, and that as such He can move about imperceptible by any of the five
natural senses, viz: hearing, sight, taste, touch, and/or smell. Actually, the
same thing can be said of the Devil; he too is a sentient paranormal being
who could be sitting right on your lap this very moment and you'd never
know it.


Had the pastor been a Jehovah's Witness, he probably would've explained
that the Spirit of Christ isn't a sentient paranormal being, rather, it's a state
of mind; so "Spirit" really ought to be spelled with a lower case S instead of
capitalized. For example:


"Keep this mental attitude in you that was also in Christ Jesus" (Phil 2:5)

I wasn't then, nor am I now a JW, so that explanation doesn't work for me.
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So what are these holy things that are able to give us everlasting life?

A lot is said about people who had these things or were filled with them or were able to talk by them, such as speaking by the spirit.
Well, then who was speaking? The human or these things? I was taught God or Christ was showing me something when I walk by the spirit. Maybe it's the spirit showing me something when I walk by the spirit.

In Romans 8:4, it's suggesting we walk after or by this spirit. In Romans 8:9, it calls this spirit the spirit of Christ. In Romans 8:11, it calls this spirit the spirit of Him that raised up Jesus from the dead and that it dwells in us.

In 1 Corinthians 3:16, it calls it the spirit of God that dwells in us. In Galatians 4:6, it's called the spirit of his son. And in Galatians 5:16, it talks about walking in this spirit.
 

Prycejosh1987

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Rom 8:9 . . If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not
belong to Christ.
That is powerful and very scary, because there are Christians out there that do not have to spirit, i would not say all believers have him inside of them. I don't believe i have the spirit myself, and there are a lot of believers that manifest with evil spirits. It is possible to be saved without the spirit, the rich man and Lazarus is proof of that and the thief on the cross.
 
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That is powerful and very scary, because there are Christians out there that do not have to spirit, i would not say all believers have him inside of them. I don't believe i have the spirit myself, and there are a lot of believers that manifest with evil spirits. It is possible to be saved without the spirit, the rich man and Lazarus is proof of that and the thief on the cross.
I just tore my clothes and smeared hot ash all over my body. Every believer has the spirit of Christ. If there is no spirit then you are not Christian. You would then be still dead in your sins without God and without hope.
 

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It is possible to be saved without the spirit, the rich man and Lazarus is
proof of that and the thief on the cross.
You are correct: up to a point. Let me explain.

The Spirit wasn't distributed until the day of Pentecost (Acts 1:5, and Acts
2:1-33)

Technically then, Romans 8:9 didn't apply to the thief on the cross, nor to
Abraham and Lazarus. But of course their era ended on the day of
Pentecost. Now Romans 8:9 applies to everyone.


I don't believe i have the spirit myself
Have you spoken with Christ about this? Well; according to his instructions;
the Spirit is obtainable simply by requesting it.

John 4:10-1 . . If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for
a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living
water. Whoever drinks the water I give him will never thirst. Indeed, the
water I give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal
life.

John 7:37-39 . . If anyone is thirsty, let him come to me and drink.
Whoever believes in me, as the scripture has said: streams of living water
will flow from within him. By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who
believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been
given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified.


That is powerful and very scary,
Don't worry; just do as the Bible says and you'll be okay.

Heb 4:14-16 . .Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has gone
through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we
profess. For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with
our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just
as we are-- yet was without sin. Let us then approach the throne of grace
with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in
our time of need.

John 6:37 . . The one who comes to me I will certainly not turn away.
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