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Look Miknik, you need to read it first and understand the passage. Look.
18 The Jews then said to him, “What sign can you show us for doing this?” 19 Jesus answered them, (OK, Jesus is speaking to the Jews here)
“Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
20 The Jews then said, “This temple has been under construction for forty-six years, and will you raise it up in three days?”
The Jews asked for a sign that Jesus is God. Jesus points to the temple and says that if they destroy the temple, he will rebuild it in three days. The Jews think he's mad, because the temple took 46 years to build. Now the recorded conversation is over.
Now John, who was a disciple, adds his comments.
21 But he was speaking of the temple of his body. 22 After he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this; and they believed the scripture and the word that Jesus had spoken.
So what is John saying here? He is saying that when Jesus was resurrected, he came to the disciples, and explained all the scriptures, (the Law, Psalms and Prophets), which prophesied of him, including those which prophesied of his resurrection. So in the course of that explanation, the disciples remembered this particular comment made by Jesus to the Jews.
John tells us that they believed scripture, (i.e. those about his death and resurrection), and they believed this word. Now clearly if the disciples only believed this word after Christ had resurrected, then they did not understand it at the time he made it. This means that the conversation ended where John shows it ended, with the Jews asking how he intended to rebuild the temple in 3 days.It also means that there was no ambiguity when Jesus made the statement; not only the Jews, but the disciples also, understood him to be referring to the Temple.
18 The Jews then said to him, “What sign can you show us for doing this?” 19 Jesus answered them, (OK, Jesus is speaking to the Jews here)
“Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
20 The Jews then said, “This temple has been under construction for forty-six years, and will you raise it up in three days?”
The Jews asked for a sign that Jesus is God. Jesus points to the temple and says that if they destroy the temple, he will rebuild it in three days. The Jews think he's mad, because the temple took 46 years to build. Now the recorded conversation is over.
Now John, who was a disciple, adds his comments.
21 But he was speaking of the temple of his body. 22 After he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this; and they believed the scripture and the word that Jesus had spoken.
So what is John saying here? He is saying that when Jesus was resurrected, he came to the disciples, and explained all the scriptures, (the Law, Psalms and Prophets), which prophesied of him, including those which prophesied of his resurrection. So in the course of that explanation, the disciples remembered this particular comment made by Jesus to the Jews.
John tells us that they believed scripture, (i.e. those about his death and resurrection), and they believed this word. Now clearly if the disciples only believed this word after Christ had resurrected, then they did not understand it at the time he made it. This means that the conversation ended where John shows it ended, with the Jews asking how he intended to rebuild the temple in 3 days.It also means that there was no ambiguity when Jesus made the statement; not only the Jews, but the disciples also, understood him to be referring to the Temple.
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Hi Muzungu.
No. I am suggesting, perhaps, but I am not sure, that when Paul talks about the Temple Of God in Thessalonians, he is talking about the reconstructed temple. (the 3rd/4th Temple)
Now some people say: 'How can this be the temple of God? God did not commission it, and he won't be living in it'
My understanding of Thessalonians is that a temple will be rebuilt, and this will cause Jesus to return to earth, to destroy the temple. Thessalonians tells us that God himself sends a 'powerful error' that causes people to believe a lie. This is a hard thing to understand.
But could the 'strong delusion' be the idea that God wants the temple built, or is it the very temple itself? If it is, then we would ascribe the Temple to God.
The conversation in John 2 is very enigmatic. I am still studying it. Prima facie Jesus says he will rebuild the temple in 3 days (i.e. within 3000 years).
No. I am suggesting, perhaps, but I am not sure, that when Paul talks about the Temple Of God in Thessalonians, he is talking about the reconstructed temple. (the 3rd/4th Temple)
Now some people say: 'How can this be the temple of God? God did not commission it, and he won't be living in it'
My understanding of Thessalonians is that a temple will be rebuilt, and this will cause Jesus to return to earth, to destroy the temple. Thessalonians tells us that God himself sends a 'powerful error' that causes people to believe a lie. This is a hard thing to understand.
But could the 'strong delusion' be the idea that God wants the temple built, or is it the very temple itself? If it is, then we would ascribe the Temple to God.
The conversation in John 2 is very enigmatic. I am still studying it. Prima facie Jesus says he will rebuild the temple in 3 days (i.e. within 3000 years).
I believe the strong delusion that God will permit is for believing the lie that saved believers can receive the Holy Spirit apart from salvation after a sign, even a sign of tongues which never comes with interpretation.
2 Thessalonians 2nd chapter starts off informing us that there will be a falling away; a falling away from what? A falling away from the faith in giving heed to seducing spirits & doctrines of devils; having their conscience seared as with a hot iron for in hypocrisy will they seek to receive the Holy Spirit "again" even though they will acknowledged that He has been received at their salvation as promised for coming to & believing in Jesus Christ. 1 Timothy 4:1-2
So how can we confirm this application?
The new age mentality of seeking to receive a spirit apart from salvation is the iniquity at work back in Paul's day where he who let will let, till he be taken out of the way. The restraining of the Holy Spirit will cease if believers believe the lie that they can receive Him again apart from salvation and thus God will permit the strong delusion to occur.
This is the iniquity for which shall cause the falling away from the faith and is happening today in droves.
We can know it is not about a temple because Paul gave us scripture to reprove that iniquity that will cause the falling away from the faith by reminding believers in 2 Thessalonians 2:13-15 that in according to the traditions taught of us, we had received the sanctification of the Spirit & the belief of the truth at the calling of the gospel when we were saved.
Hence there is no receiving the Holy Spirit apart from salvation after a sign.
Now there is another event spoken of which ties in with that son of perdition being in that temple, but that is a separate event from what is causing the falling away from the faith which is to happen first.
Now Paul testified that Jesus will deal with that falling away from the faith first as God will judge His House first, taking those abiding in Him as His disciples by leaving those in iniquity behind before He comes back with the pre raptured saints to do battle with the son of perdition and then locking Satan in the pit for a thousand years before resurrecting those saints left behind to be received as vessels unto dishonor in His House for not looking to Him as their Good Shepherd to discern & to depart from that iniquity and others that did not repent from other iniquities as well.
So 2 Thessalonians 2nd chapter as far as the strong delusion is concern, is not about the temple, but about what will cause the falling away from the faith as that iniquity was already at work in Paul's day wherein they seek to receive the Holy Spirit apart from salvation after a sign. That is the only iniquity that 2 Thessalonians 2:13-15 can reprove of which has nothing to do with the temple part of that second event where the son of perdition is involved.
Only Jesus Christ at that throne of grace can confirm His words to you on that part.
2 Thessalonians 2nd chapter starts off informing us that there will be a falling away; a falling away from what? A falling away from the faith in giving heed to seducing spirits & doctrines of devils; having their conscience seared as with a hot iron for in hypocrisy will they seek to receive the Holy Spirit "again" even though they will acknowledged that He has been received at their salvation as promised for coming to & believing in Jesus Christ. 1 Timothy 4:1-2
So how can we confirm this application?
The new age mentality of seeking to receive a spirit apart from salvation is the iniquity at work back in Paul's day where he who let will let, till he be taken out of the way. The restraining of the Holy Spirit will cease if believers believe the lie that they can receive Him again apart from salvation and thus God will permit the strong delusion to occur.
This is the iniquity for which shall cause the falling away from the faith and is happening today in droves.
We can know it is not about a temple because Paul gave us scripture to reprove that iniquity that will cause the falling away from the faith by reminding believers in 2 Thessalonians 2:13-15 that in according to the traditions taught of us, we had received the sanctification of the Spirit & the belief of the truth at the calling of the gospel when we were saved.
Hence there is no receiving the Holy Spirit apart from salvation after a sign.
Now there is another event spoken of which ties in with that son of perdition being in that temple, but that is a separate event from what is causing the falling away from the faith which is to happen first.
Now Paul testified that Jesus will deal with that falling away from the faith first as God will judge His House first, taking those abiding in Him as His disciples by leaving those in iniquity behind before He comes back with the pre raptured saints to do battle with the son of perdition and then locking Satan in the pit for a thousand years before resurrecting those saints left behind to be received as vessels unto dishonor in His House for not looking to Him as their Good Shepherd to discern & to depart from that iniquity and others that did not repent from other iniquities as well.
So 2 Thessalonians 2nd chapter as far as the strong delusion is concern, is not about the temple, but about what will cause the falling away from the faith as that iniquity was already at work in Paul's day wherein they seek to receive the Holy Spirit apart from salvation after a sign. That is the only iniquity that 2 Thessalonians 2:13-15 can reprove of which has nothing to do with the temple part of that second event where the son of perdition is involved.
Only Jesus Christ at that throne of grace can confirm His words to you on that part.
The thing is Muzungu, we need to go back to the Temple Prophecy, which is massive, and cannot be underestimated.
Jesus told the disciples that the Temple would be a ruin, and the disciples asked Jesus when would that be?
So basically they asked from when to when?
Jesus told them, from its destruction, AD70, to his return.
So the hanging question is, will it never be reconstructed, or is it reconstructed, which immediately triggers Christ's return?
Jesus told the disciples that the Temple would be a ruin, and the disciples asked Jesus when would that be?
So basically they asked from when to when?
Jesus told them, from its destruction, AD70, to his return.
So the hanging question is, will it never be reconstructed, or is it reconstructed, which immediately triggers Christ's return?
Thanks Muz....we'll see
Here is Luke talking about Jesus after he had resurrected.
KJV Luke 24: 46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
NIV 46 He told them, “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day,
This is I think the exact same thing John describes:
John 2 21 But the temple he had spoken of was his body.22 After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he had said. Then they believed the scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken.
Here is Luke talking about Jesus after he had resurrected.
KJV Luke 24: 46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
NIV 46 He told them, “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day,
This is I think the exact same thing John describes:
John 2 21 But the temple he had spoken of was his body.22 After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he had said. Then they believed the scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken.
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The thing is Jesus explained his 3 day resurrection through the sign of Jonas. (He also explained it to the disciples in plain Greek).
So when after he was resurrected he explains his 3 day resurrection through the Prophets, he clearly was referring to Jonah.
The KJV makes it clear.
KJV Luke 24: 46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
Thus being the key word here. Thus it is written, (in Jonah) and THUS Jesus was resurrected after 3 days. So Jesus is referring to Jonah here...
Anyway, Jesus had already explained to the disciples prior to his resurrection in plain Greek that he would die and be resurrected
Matthew 20 18 Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death,
19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again.
So when after he was resurrected he explains his 3 day resurrection through the Prophets, he clearly was referring to Jonah.
The KJV makes it clear.
KJV Luke 24: 46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
Thus being the key word here. Thus it is written, (in Jonah) and THUS Jesus was resurrected after 3 days. So Jesus is referring to Jonah here...
Anyway, Jesus had already explained to the disciples prior to his resurrection in plain Greek that he would die and be resurrected
Matthew 20 18 Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death,
19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again.
I was speaking of the Church as a whole. Meaning that the man of sin would enter into the Church, not into the individual believer.
But I think the literal temple in Jerusalem makes more sense, due to the abomination of desolation being mentioned so many times. However I will keep my options open so to speak.
But I think the literal temple in Jerusalem makes more sense, due to the abomination of desolation being mentioned so many times. However I will keep my options open so to speak.