The Ten Commandments-Were they nailed to the Cross?

[Elin]

Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

That says all the Law HANGS ON these two great Commands.
It says NOTHING about replacing them.

But the word of God in Heb 7:18-19 does. It states that the Mosaic law has been set aside.

(This has been covered with you before here.)

And Jesus gave only two laws.

You do the math.

1Co 9:21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God,
but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

Do you have a clue as to what this is referring to?

Sure do.

Follow the blue text below for the skeleton of the sentence.

The red text found in other Greek manuscripts is not found in the Textus Receptus.

However, Paul's says the same thing in other places in the TR, e.g., Ro 6:14, 7:4;: Gal 5:18, 4:21, 2;19,
so there is no difference on that point.

1Co 9:20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, not being myself under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
1Co 9:21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
1Co 9:22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.

Paul is saying that he was not under the Mosaic law, he was under the law of Christ.

Gal 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

Pull that out of context and then ignore this?

Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Says that how we love our neighbor is by keeping the Commandments...

Yeah. . .when you butcher the king's grammar, changing nouns to gerunds.

The Greek reads: "the fulfillment (noun) then of the law is love"

it does not read: fulfilling (gerund) the law is love.

Gal 5:6 settles the plain meaning of the Greek in Ro 13:10:

"The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself in love."

Let's prosecute that statement.
Why is this the only thing that counts?
Because love necessarily results in doing the law, for

if I love God, I will not take his name in vain, nor worship idols,
nor neglect assembling with the brothers in worship;

if I love my parents, I will not dishonor them;

if I love my neighbors, I will not steal from them, nor murder them,
nor commit adultery with their spouses, nor lust after their possessions.

Love necessarily results in doing the law.
Therefore, love is the fulfillment (accomplishment) of the law.

We don't need a written code when love is written in our hearts.

 

[john832]

But the word of God in Heb 7:18-19 does. It states that the Mosaic law has been set aside.

(This has been covered with you before here.)

Yep, that was misrepresented there before.

And Jesus gave only two laws.

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Mat 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Mat 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

You do the math.

OK I did and it comes up to ten.

Exo 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,
Exo 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Exo 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Exo 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
Exo 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
Exo 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Exo 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.
Exo 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Exo 20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

That was the One who became Jesus Christ speaking.

Sure do.

Follow the blue text below for the skeleton of the sentence.

The red text found in other Greek manuscripts is not found in the Textus Receptus.

However, Paul's says the same thing in other places in the TR, e.g., Ro 6:14, 7:4;: Gal 5:18, 4:21, 2;19,
so there is no difference on that point.


Paul is saying that he was not under the Mosaic law, he was under the law of Christ.


Yeah. . .when you butcher the king's grammar, changing nouns to gerunds.

The Greek reads: "the fulfillment (noun) then of the law is love"

it does not read: fulfilling (gerund) the law is love.

Gal 5:6 settles the plain meaning of the Greek in Ro 13:10:

"The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself in love."

Let's prosecute that statement.
Why is this the only thing that counts?
Because love necessarily results in doing the law, for

if I love God, I will not take his name in vain, nor worship idols, nor neglect assembling with the brothers in worship;
if I love my parents, I will not dishonor them;
if I love my neighbors, I will not steal from them, nor murder them, nor commit adultery with their spouses,
nor lust after their possessions.

Love necessarily results in doing the law.

That is not what Paul said...

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

He said that he still did the wrong when he meant to do the right and this was twenty some years after his conversion.

Therefore, love is the fulfillment (accomplishment) of the law.

We don't need a written code when love is written in our hearts.

Oddly enough, Paul disagrees with you...

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

 

[Elin]

(This has been covered with you before here.)

That was misrepresented there before.

Another assertion without demonstration which, therefore, is meritless.

Therefore, love is the fulfillment (accomplishment) of the law.

We don't need a written code when love is written in our hearts.

Oddly enough, Paul disagrees with you...

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Yep. . .grace establishes the law. . .because

no one can meet the requirements necessary to become righteous under the law (Ro 3:20),
and it curses all who do not (Dt 7:26, Gal 3:10),

so that by the Law all men are justly cursed to damnation.

There is only one righteousness that can meet the requirements of the law,

it is a righteousness from God apart from the Law (Ro 3:21); i.e., the righteousness of Jesus Christ
(Ro 5:19, 21),

a gift from God (Ro 3:21; 5:17), through faith (Ro 3:28), given by God to meet the requirements of the Law.

Since the requirements of the Law have now been fully met in us (not by us), (Ro 8:4)

we are no longer under/subject to the law (1Co 9:20; Gal 3:25, 4:21, 5:18; Ro 7:6)

but instead are under/subject to the grace of Christ (Ro 3:24, 4:16, 5:21, 6:14-15; Tit 2:11).

So the law is established by Christ's meeting its requirements for us,

so that now through faith we are righteous according to it.

And since our faith in Jesus Christ gives us righteousness (Ro 5:17, 3:21),

the law is no longer necessary for our righteousness and has, therefore, been set aside (Heb 7:18-19)

because it was weak and useless to make us righteous.

Grace has established the law by fulfilling it, making it unnecessary and, therefore, setting it aside
(Heb 7:18-19).

 

[WomanLovesTX]

44 NT Reasons for Torah Obedience


What Do We Mean by the Term "Torah?"The Hebrew word, torah (תורה), is derived from a root that was used in the realm of archery, yareh (ירה). Yareh means to shoot an arrow in order to hit a mark. The mark or target, of course, was the object at which the archer was aiming. Consequently, torah, one of the nouns derived from this root, is, therefore, the arrow aimed at the mark, The target is the truth about God and how one relates to Him. The torah is, therefore, in the strict sense instruction designed to teach us the truth about God. Torah means direction,teaching, instruction,or doctrine.We should note that the usual translation of this word as law is not quite accurate.[SUP][1][/SUP] One of the most common ways that torah (תורה) is rendered in the Septuagint (LXX)[SUP][2][/SUP] is by using the word nomosv, nomo?. The Greek word nomos, however, has a variety of uses, among which, to be sure, is law, but it is certainly not limited to law. Following the precedent set by the LXX, the Newer Covenant Scriptures consistently render the Hebrew torah by the term nomos. This is where things begin to become confusing. Sometimes, in the Newer Covenant Scriptures, it is appropriate to translate nomos as law. However, other times it is more appropriate to render it as God's teaching/instruction, or simply to transliterate the term as Torah. The context of the word is always the final determiner of its meaning.There are at least two other related Hebrew words derived from the same root as torah. The first is the word for teacher, moreh (מורה). A moreh is one who imparts instruction to his/her students. The second important word is parent, horeh (הורה). This indicates to us that one of the primary roles for a parent is to teach and instruct the child.

Again, Torah really means Instruction, not the word Law as it was sometimes translated in the New Testament. This has caused a misunderstanding among Christians who claim Yeshua did away with the Law and Commandments of Yahweh. What Yeshua taught against were all the extra laws of man that were added when the house of Judah returned from Babylon.


(1)John said: sin IS violating Torah (1 John 3:4)
Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law, for sin is the transgression of the law.


(2)Paul said: Grace is no reason to continue violating Torah (Romans 6:1-2)
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 May it never be! We who died to sin, how could we live in it any longer?


(3)Paul said: The Law is being enforced (Romans 3:31)
Do we then nullify the law through faith? May it never be! No, we establish the law.


(4)Jesus/Yeshua said: DO NOT THINK…that my purpose for coming was to destroy the Law! (Matthew 5:17)
Don’t think that I came to destroy the Torah or the Prophets. I didn’t come to destroy, but to fulfill.


(5)Jesus/Yeshua said: You will not receive The Holy Spirit if you do not follow Torah! (John 14:15-16)
15 If you love me, keep my commandments.
16 I will pray to the Father, and he will give you another Counsellor, that he may be with you forever,


(6)Paul said: Only the Spiritual mind can submit to Torah! (Romans 8:7-8)
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against Yahweh: for it is not subject to the law of YHWH, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please Yahweh.


(7)Jesus/Yeshua said: His COMMANDMENT is everlasting Life! (John 12:50)
I know that his commandment is eternal life. The things therefore which I speak, even as the Father has said to me, so I speak.


(8)Jesus/Yeshua said: His Laws are summarised by 2: love God and love your neighbor (Matthew 22:37-40)
37 Yeshua said to him, "“‘You shall love Yahweh your Elohim with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’
(see also Deuteronomy 6:5)
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 A second likewise is this, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’
(see also Leviticus 19:18)
40 The whole Torah and the Prophets depend on these two commandments.”"


(9)Jesus/Yeshua said: Do EVERYTHING that is taught from Torah/Moses Seat/Bima Seat (Matthew 23:1-3a)
1 Then Yeshua spoke to the multitudes and to his disciples,
2 saying, "“The scribes and the Pharisees sat on Moses’ seat.
3 All things therefore whatever they tell you to observe, observe and do,


(10)Paul said: People will ignore Torah and God’s righteousness to establish their own! (Romans 10:3)
For being ignorant of Yahweh's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, they didn’t subject themselves to the righteousness of Yahweh.


(11)Jesus/Yeshua said: EVERYONE who DOES and TEACHES Torah, will be called GREAT! (Matthew 5:19)
Whoever, therefore, shall break one of these least commandments, and teach others to do so, shall be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven; but whoever shall do and teach them shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.


(12)Jesus/Yeshua said: If you ignore Torah to obey traditions, you don’t REALLY love Him! (Mark 7:6-13)
6 He answered them, "“Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written, ‘This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
7 But in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’

Then Yeshua added, yet many overlook this:

8 “For you set aside the commandment of Yahweh, and hold tightly to the tradition of men—the washing of pitchers and cups, and you do many other such things.”"
9 He said to them, "“Full well do you reject the commandment of Yahweh, that you may keep your tradition.
10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother;’ and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, let him be put to death.’
11 But you say, ‘If a man tells his father or his mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is Corban, that is to say, given to Yahweh;”’
12 then you no longer allow him to do anything for his father or his mother,
13 making void the word of Yahweh by your tradition, which you have handed down. You do many things like this.”"

Some in the Church have become just as the Pharisees.


(13)John said: TRUE believers, not only “believe” in Jesus/Yeshua, but ALSO obey Torah! (Revelation 14:12)
Here is the patience of the holy ones, those who keep the commandments of Yahweh, and the faith of Yeshua.”


(14)Jesus/Yeshua said: We are supposed to LIVE BY Torah as God said in Deut 8:3! (Matthew 4:4)
But he answered, "“It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of Yahweh.’”"


(15)Paul said: God WILL NOT ACCEPT YOU if you touch what is unclean*Lev 7:21*! (2 Corinthians 6:17-18)
17 Therefore, “‘Come out from among them, and be separate,’ says the Lord. ‘Touch no unclean thing. I will receive you.
18 I will be to you a Father. You will be to me sons and daughters,’ says the Lord Almighty.”


(16)Paul said: KEEP the Hebrew traditions! (2 Thessalonians 2:15)
So then, brothers, stand firm, and hold the traditions (also translated; teachings) which you were taught by us, whether by word, or by letter.


(17)Jesus/Yeshua said: You Pharisees are hypocrites because you only obey PART! (Matthew 23:23)
Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint, dill, and cumin, and have left undone the weightier matters of the Torah: justice, mercy, and faith. But you ought to have done these, and not to have left the other undone.


(18)Jesus/Yeshua said: Your WORKS must exceed the Pharisees! (Matthew 5:20)
For I tell you that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, there is no way you will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.


(19)John said: If a person DOES NOT OBEY TORAH, they ARE NOT His children! (1 John 2:1-3)
1 My little children, I write these things to you so that you may not sin. If anyone sins, we have a Counsellor with the Father, Yeshua the Messiah, the righteous.
2 And he is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the whole world.
3 This is how we know that we know him: if we keep his commandments.


(20)Jesus/Yeshua said: You CANNOT abide in His love UNLESS you obey Torah! (John 15:10)
If you keep my commandments, you will remain in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and remain in his love.


(21)James said: DO NOT speak evil of the Law! (James 4:11)
Don’t speak against one another, brothers. He who speaks against a brother and judges his brother, speaks against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law, but a judge.


(22)John said: We receive what we ask because we keep His Torah! (1 John 3:22)
And whatever we ask, we receive from him, because we keep his commandments and do the things that are pleasing in his sight.


(23)John said: The Holy Spirit IS NOT IN US unless we obey Torah! (1 John 3:24)
He who keeps his commandments remains in him, and he in him. By this we know that he remains in us, by the Spirit which he gave us.


(24)John said: We do NOT love Him if we reject Torah! (1 John 5:3a)
For this is the love of Yahweh, that we keep his commandments.


(25)John said: His Commandments are NOT a burden! (1 John 5:3b)
His commandments are not grievous.


(26)Paul said: IF we WORK righteousness, we will be accepted by God! (Acts 10:35)
But in every nation he who fears him and works righteousness is acceptable to him.


(27)Paul said: I believe EVERYTHING written in Torah! (Acts 24:14)
But this I confess to you, that after the Way, which they call a sect, so I serve the Elohim of our fathers, believing all things which are according to the Torah, and which are written in the Prophets.


(28)Paul said: I have NEVER taught against Torah! (Acts 28:17)
It happened that after three days Paul called together those who were the Jewish leaders. When they had come together, he said to them, “I, brothers, though I had done nothing against the people, or the customs of our fathers, still was delivered prisoner from Jerusalem into the hands of the Romans,


(29)Paul said: You are NOT justified by faith UNLESS you obey Torah! (Romans 2:13)
For it isn’t the hearers of the law who are righteous before Yahweh, but the doers of the law will be justified.


(30)Paul said: Obey Torah like Jesus/Yeshua did for He is our example to follow! (Romans 10:4)
For Messiah is the fulfillment of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.


(31)Paul said: You WILL NOT be crowned UNLESS you follow The Rules! (2 Timothy 2:5)
Also, if anyone competes in athletics, he isn’t crowned unless he has competed by the rules.


(32)Paul said: The Law IS GOOD! (1 Timothy 1:8)
But we know that the law is good, if a man uses it lawfully.


(33)Paul said: We are to avoid becoming unclean! (Ephesians 5:3)
But sexual immorality, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not even be mentioned among you, as becomes holy ones.


(34)Paul said: Don’t become separated from God by becoming unclean! (Ephesians 4:18)
Being darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of Elohim, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the hardening of their hearts.


(35)Paul said AGAIN: REMEMBER and keep the Jewish traditions! (1 Corinthians 11:2)
Now I praise you, brothers, that you remember me in all things, and hold firm the traditions (also translated; doctrines), even as I delivered them to you.


*(36)Paul said: ONLY THE DOERS OF THE LAW will be “justified by Faith”! (Galatians 3:24)
So that the law has become our tutor to bring us to Messiah, that we might be justified by faith.


(37)Paul said: If you reject Torah and sin, you WILL perish! (Romans 2:12)
For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without the law. As many as have sinned under the law will be judged by the law.


(38)Jesus/Yeshua said: Whoever obeys Torah are brothers and sisters! (Matthew 12:50)
For whoever does the will of my Father who is in heaven, he is my brother, and sister, and mother.


(39)Jesus/Yeshua said: What is written in Torah? (Luke 10:25-28)
25 Behold, a certain Torah scholar stood up and tested him, saying, “Rabbi, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?”
26 Yeshua said to him, "“What is written in the Torah? How do you read it?”"
27 He answered, “You shall love Yahweh your Elohim with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself.”
28 Yeshua said to him, "“You have answered correctly. Do this, and you will live.”"
(see also Deuteronomy 6:5 & Leviticus 19:18)


(40)Paul said: Stephen was falsely accused of teaching against Torah! (Acts 6:11)
Then they secretly induced men to say, “We have heard him speak blasphemous words against Moses and Elohim.”


(41)Paul said: Let us keep the Feast of Unleavened Bread! (1 Corinthians 5:8)
Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old yeast, neither with the yeast of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.


(42)Jesus/Yeshua said: to the leprous man, go and offer sacrifice according to Torah! (Luke 5:14)
He commanded him to tell no one, “But go your way, and show yourself to the priest, and offer for your cleansing according to what Moses commanded, for a testimony to them.”


(43) says: long after Jesus/Yeshua ascended, the Gentiles went to the synagogues “on SATURDAY”. (Acts 13:42-44)
42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
43 Now when the synagogue broke up, many of the Jews and of the devout proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas; who, speaking to them, urged them to continue in the grace of Yahweh.
44 The next Sabbath almost the whole city was gathered together to hear the word of Yahweh.


(44) IF YOU DO - His Commandments/Torah, you may have right to eternal Life (Revelation 22:14)
Blessed are those who do his commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates into the city.


There are some verses like this one, * Galatians 5:4, that sound as if it goes against all of this teaching.
You are alienated from Messiah, you who desire to be justified by the law. You have fallen away from grace.


We should FOLLOW and OBEY TORAH but we are not justified by it, we are JUSTIFIED by FAITH, THROUGH HIS GRACE.


Grace is nothing new and can be found throughout the Tanakh (Old Testament).

Taken from 44 New Testament Reasons | Search Results | New2Torah – Torah Observant Followers of Jesus/Yeshua – Hebrew Roots

 

[Elin]

Review:

What was nailed to the cross (Col 2:14) was the certificate of indebtedness in our own handwriting, which acknowledged that we were debtors to God for our sin under the Mosaic law.

What was abolished on the cross (Eph 2:15) were two hostilities:

1) between Jew and Gentile - by setting aside of the Mosaic ceremonial laws (Heb 7:18-19), which made the Gentiles unclean and defiling to the Jews, causing hostility between them; and

2) between God and mankind (i.e., one body of believing Jews and Gentiles) by paying for our sin, which gave forgiveness of our sin and reconciliation with God.

 

[Isdaniel]

Review:

What was nailed to the cross (Col 2:14) was the certificate of indebtedness in our own handwriting, which acknowledged that we were debtors to God for our sin under the Mosaic law.

What was abolished on the cross (Eph 2:15) were two hostilities:

1) between Jew and Gentile - by setting aside of the Mosaic ceremonial laws (Heb 7:18-19), which made the Gentiles unclean and defiling to the Jews, causing hostility between them; and

2) between God and mankind (i.e., one body of believing Jews and Gentiles) by paying for our sin, which gave forgiveness of our sin and reconciliation with God.

Are the ten commandment the Moses law ?

 

[Elin]

Are the ten commandment the Moses law ?

Yes, the Ten Commandments are the basis of the Sinaitic (Mosaic) Covenant,
with the curses attached (Dt 27:26; Gal 3:10) for imperfect obedience.

They are part of the Mosaic law which was set aside (Heb 7:18-19),
making the Covenant based on them obsolete (Heb 8:13), and
were replaced with the New Covenant (Lk 22:20) and the law of Christ (Mt 22:37-39; 1Co 9:21),
which law fulfills (accomplishes) the law (Mt 22:40; Ro 18:8-10; Gal 5:6),
but has no curse attached for imperfect obedience.

Christ has simplified the law and removed the curse.

 

[Isdaniel]

Yes, the Ten Commandments are the basis of the Sinaitic (Mosaic) Covenant,
with the curses attached (Dt 27:26; Gal 3:10) for imperfect obedience.

They are part of the Mosaic law which was set aside (Heb 7:18-19),
making the Covenant based on them obsolete (Heb 8:13), and
were replaced with the New Covenant (Lk 22:20) and the law of Christ (Mt 22:37-39; 1Co 9:21),
which law fulfills (accomplishes) the law (Mt 22:40; Ro 18:8-10; Gal 5:6),
but has no curse attached for imperfect obedience.

Christ has simplified the law and removed the curse.

what do you understand by these verses

[h=3]John 7:19-23[/h]King James Version (KJV)

19 Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?
20 The people answered and said, Thou hast a devil: who goeth about to kill thee?
21 Jesus answered and said unto them, I have done one work, and ye all marvel.
22 Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.
23 If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?

 

[john832]

Yes, the Ten Commandments are the basis of the Sinaitic (Mosaic) Covenant,
with the curses attached (Dt 27:26; Gal 3:10) for imperfect obedience.

They are part of the Mosaic law which was set aside (Heb 7:18-19),
making the Covenant based on them obsolete (Heb 8:13), and
were replaced with the New Covenant (Lk 22:20) and the law of Christ (Mt 22:37-39; 1Co 9:21),
which law fulfills (accomplishes) the law (Mt 22:40; Ro 18:8-10; Gal 5:6),
but has no curse attached for imperfect obedience.

Christ has simplified the law and removed the curse.

Still spouting the party line even though you have been shown on more than one occaision what those scriptures are referring to by simply reading the context.

 

[Isdaniel]

Has anyone posted yet on the difference between the Old Covenant of agreement, you do this and I'll do that...versus the will of inheritance left by the death of Yeshua?

And the difference between sheep and Sons? I've not read all the posts on this thread.

You should check this out i usually do not put links because no one bothers to read them but this one is interesting to what you ask


Does The Bible Contradict Itself? TheTwo Laws Contrasted

 

[Elin]

what do you understand by these verses

John 7:19-23 King James Version (KJV)

19 Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?
20 The people answered and said, Thou hast a devil: who goeth about to kill thee?
21 Jesus answered and said unto them, I have done one work, and ye all marvel.
22 Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.
23 If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?

I understand what Jesus said in Mt 22:37-40.

What do you not understand in Mt 22:37-40?

You seem to like going 'round and 'round the same bush a lot. . .

 

[Elin]

Still spouting the party line even though
you have been shown on more than one occaision what those scriptures are referring to by simply reading the context.

You might review this and this again for demonstration of what those Scriptures mean,
and which you have not demonstrated otherwise.

 

[Isdaniel]

I understand what Jesus said in Mt 22:37-40.

What do you not understand in Mt 22:37-40?

You seem to like going 'round and 'round the same bush a lot. . .

So why can you not explain this ?

 

[Elin]

I understand what Jesus said in Mt 22:37-40.

What do you not understand in Mt 22:37-40?

You seem to like going 'round and 'round the same bush a lot. . .

So why can you not explain this ?

Why do you not understand my answer?

Review Mt 22:40 again.

 

[Isdaniel]

Why do you not understand my answer?

Review Mt 22:40 again.

Lets review shall we what you said about matt 22:40

Matthew 19:16-22


16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.


plesase answer these questions according to what is in the chapter thanks

What must we do to get eternal life ?

Was all the commandment stated ? Why or Why not ?

The ones that were not stated are we to follow them or disregard them ?

Did the young man really kept the commandments ?

Did he keep the one that were not mentioned ?

Why did Jesus not mentioned all ?

 

[Elin]

I understand what Jesus said in Mt 22:37-40.

What do you not understand in Mt 22:37-40?

You seem to like going 'round and 'round the same bush a lot.

So why can you not explain this ?

Why do you not understand my answer?

Review Mt 22:40 again.

Lets review shall we what you said about matt 22:40

Matthew 19:16-22
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

You went to the wrong section in your Bible.

The above is not Mt 22:37-40.

plesase answer these questions according to what is in the chapter thanks

What must we do to get eternal life ?

Was all the commandment stated ? Why or Why not ?

The ones that were not stated are we to follow them or disregard them ?

Did the young man really kept the commandments ?

Did he keep the one that were not mentioned ?

Why did Jesus not mentioned all ?

Oh, I see. . .you don't want me to consider the whole counsel of God.

"Clowney don't play like dat."

Your questions are answered by Jesus in Mt 22:37-40.

Review it again.

 

[Isdaniel]

This verse has to be one of the most

abused​

and misunderstood verses in relation to the law of God. Some apply it to all of the Ten Commandments, and others just to the fourth Commandment the

Sabbath​

. And yet others say this passage is saying we still have to keep the feast days associated with the sacrificial law. But in fact this passage is saying the exact opposite in that it was these feast days that were nailed to the cross. Read Colossians 2:16 Feasts and Holydays or Colossians 2:16 and Holydays for more.Many Christians today demean the sacrifice of Christ by choosing to nail everything to the cross they do not want to obey. But to establish what was really nailed to the cross, just ask yourself these simple questions. What was the

penalty​

for sin? What was required to make atonement for sin before the cross that pointed forward to the sacrifice of Christ? And do we still have to take an animal sacrifice to the

temple​

priest when we sin or did Christ end these sacrifices by taking their place and hence nailing them to the cross? Thus the only thing nailed to the cross was the law of sacrifices that Christ replaced when He died for our sins. This law had meat and drink [offerings], holydays [feast days], new moons and sabbath days [Passover Sabbath and six others] exactly as described in Colossians 2:16.

 

[Elin]

This verse has to be one of the most

abused​

and misunderstood verses in relation to the law of God. Some apply it to all of the Ten Commandments, and others just to the fourth Commandment the

Sabbath​

. And yet others say this passage is saying we still have to keep the feast days associated with the sacrificial law. But in fact this passage is saying the exact opposite in that it was these feast days that were nailed to the cross. Read Colossians 2:16 Feasts and Holydays or Colossians 2:16 and Holydays for more.Many Christians today demean the sacrifice of Christ by choosing to nail everything to the cross they do not want to obey. But to establish what was really nailed to the cross, just ask yourself these simple questions.

No, to establish what was nailed to the cross, you just read the text (Col 2:13-14).

You still have not addressed Mt 22:37-40 in my previous post.

What was the

penalty​

for sin? What was required to make atonement for sin before the cross that pointed forward to the sacrifice of Christ? And do we still have to take an animal sacrifice to the

temple​

priest when we sin or did Christ end these sacrifices by taking their place and hence nailing them to the cross? Thus the only thing nailed to the cross was the law of sacrifices that Christ replaced when He died for our sins. This law had meat and drink [offerings], holydays [feast days], new moons and sabbath days [Passover Sabbath and six others] exactly as described in Colossians 2:16.

What was nailed to the cross in Col 2:14 was the Mosaic law,
"with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us"
(made everyone a debtor to God; "written code" = certificate of indebtedness in debtor's own handwriting).

That being the case, the Christians were not to be intimidated/judged by their Jewish counterparts
based on what they ate and drank (which, according to the law, were unclean),
or based on their non-observance of a religious festival, a New Moon celebration, or a Sabbath day
(which, according to the law, were to be observed).

 

[Elin]

Response above got posted before completion.

This verse has to be one of the most

abused​

and misunderstood verses in relation to the law of God. Some apply it to all of the Ten Commandments, and others just to the fourth Commandment the

Sabbath​

. And yet others say this passage is saying we still have to keep the feast days associated with the sacrificial law. But in fact this passage is saying the exact opposite in that it was these feast days that were nailed to the cross. Read Colossians 2:16 Feasts and Holydays or Colossians 2:16 and Holydays for more.Many Christians today demean the sacrifice of Christ by choosing to nail everything to the cross they do not want to obey. But to establish what was really nailed to the cross, just ask yourself these simple questions.

No, to establish what was nailed to the cross, you just read the text (Col 2:13-14).

You still have not addressed Mt 22:37-40 in my previous post.

What was the

penalty​

for sin? What was required to make atonement for sin before the cross that pointed forward to the sacrifice of Christ? And do we still have to take an animal sacrifice to the

temple​

priest when we sin or did Christ end these sacrifices by taking their place and hence nailing them to the cross? Thus the only thing nailed to the cross was the law of sacrifices that Christ replaced when He died for our sins. This law had meat and drink [offerings], holydays [feast days], new moons and sabbath days [Passover Sabbath and six others] exactly as described in Colossians 2:16.

What was nailed to the cross in Col 2:14 was the Mosaic law,
"with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us"
(made everyone a debtor to God; "written code" = certificate of indebtedness in debtor's own handwriting).

That being the case, the Christians were not to be intimidated/judged by their Jewish counterparts
based on what they ate and drank (which, according to the law, were unclean),
or based on their non-observance of a religious festival, a New Moon celebration, or a Sabbath day
(which, according to the law, were to be observed).

"These things are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ."
And the reality now being here, the shadows are no longer to be observed.

The text clearly states that the regulations of the law which made them debtors to God were nailed to the cross.

Nor did the sacrificial regulations make them debtors to God,
the sacrifices were the remedy for their debt of sin under the law.

Col 2:13-17 has to be one of the most abused passages by those who do not believe that Christians are free from the ceremonial law.

 

[nathan3]

The Ten Commandments, are kept by every Christian that has faith in Christ & follows His words.

The Ten Commandments were Never nailed to the cross.


The old Covenant's Ordinances were nailed to the cross. Not the ten commandments. Learn ( 2 Timothy 2:15 ) the difference.



Colossians 2:14


Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;


The Revelation of Jesus Christ :


Revelation 14:


12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.


Both go hand in hand.


Matthew 5:17-19

King James Version (KJV)

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.