THE TEN COMMANDMENTS

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JaumeJ

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I would appreciate commentary on the following. There are, according to one source, 613 laws in the Books of Moses. Only the Ten Commandments were written on stone tablets by Yahweh, God, Himself. There must be a reason for this act.

I live in the grace afforded by the Only Sacrifice for my Sin, the Blood of the Lamb of Yahweh, Jesus Christ. Yet I find no offense in the Ten Commandments of Yahweh. In my humble esteem, they all fit perfectly into the two great laws of Love commanded by Yeshua, Jesus.

Please do not leap on the commandment to observe the seventh day, because Paul teaches us that one may observe or revere one day over another while another does not as long as both have a clean conscience toward the Father.

I love the seventh day for my personal observation, and there are no big deals made. I try to make certain I have nothing pending that must be done on the sabbath knowing if something must be done for my own good, it is just fine to go ahead and do it. I just like the idea of spending the day representing the day God rested from His work to be with Him.

Because I do not abide by a pope (pope means father) on the earth, I do not observe on the first day. It is wonderful to share with our forefathers this wonderful privilege.
 
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Written in stone by YHWH Himself, as a clear division from metaphorical interpretation.

For example: "You shall not kill" is a real literal instruction.

Therefore not contradicted by the seemingly contradictory metaphorical instruction to "stone" someone to "death", which never meant to throw literal rocks at a brother and make him physically "die."

We and the pharisees think so, but Yeshua, being without sin, understood and did indeed cast the first "stone", the commandments, i.e. Himself. At the pharisees, the woman, and anyone else who hears the thunder, sees the flash of insight, and feels their earth shake.

Moses gave a lengthy dissertation on how we are to stone a literal "ox", while giving one-liners on more important issues?

Literal words yielding literal justice?
Or
Poetic words yielding poetic justice?

Peace.
 
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The Ten Commandments are the moral law as opposed to the rituals and governing laws of the Nation of Israel.

Paul specifically referred to the 10 Commandments as the "ministration of death."

2Co 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

Which Paul elaborated on in Romans 7.

Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

Paul also taught that the law was not made for the righteous but rather for the unrighteous.

1Ti 1:8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
1Ti 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

Christ is the end of the law for those who believe.

Rom 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Rom 10:5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
Rom 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)

Not that this "end of the law" makes it void. God forbid, rather the law is established by faith in the heart of the believer.

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

The law is used by God to teach one the difference between right and wrong for it depicts a standard of outward righteous behaviour.

Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Paul teaches in verse 24 that the law is a precursor to faith. Once faith is come one is no longer under the law. This is because true righteousness is of a "faith which works by love" (Gal 5:6) for it is love which fulfills the law (Gal 5:19). Love works no ill towards one's neighbour (Rom 13:10) hence one does not need an external ruleset (the law) telling them what to do.

It is very similar as to how a parent teaches a young child. The young child, in ignorance, will yield to the base desires of the flesh. They will not want to share a toy, they will want to stick things in power sockets, they will reach for sharp knives etc.

A young child is subject to their natural passions and desires yet is ignorant in regards to the concepts of selfishness and love. This is why a young child is "naturally selfish" as opposed to being "naturally evil." The selfish state is in within the parameters of complete ignorance.

The parent will use "law" or "instruction" to teach the child the right way to go, "share with your brother," "don't touch that knife," "pick up your toys," etc. Thus the child finds themselves under the law as they grow and their reasoning ability develops.

Neither Righteousness nor unrighteousness can be upheld until the reasoning ability has developed whereby the child knows the difference between right and wrong. When the child willfully chooses to do wrong, knowing that it is wrong, is the moment they fall under condemnation and thus die spiritually.

Rom 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

Now it is important to understand, going back to my earlier points, that even though one may obey the letter of the law this is not righteousness if done apart from faith.

An individual may abide by "thou shalt not steal" which is the letter of the law from a variety of motivations. They may fear the consequences of stealing and getting caught for example.

Paul taught that righteousness is by faith and not by the law. The law only points to righteousness (ie. a schoolmaster).

Gal 5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
Gal 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

When one truly loves their neighbour they will not steal from them. They won't steal because of some rule or regulation, they won't steal because the law is written on the heart. Stealing is wrong with or without a written law to abide by.

Thus those who walk after the Spirit (Gal 5:16) will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh and do evil. Walking after the Spirit is the same as being in the Spirit of life in Jesus Christ (Rom 8:2) which is what sets one free from the law of sin and death. We are not set free by the law, which is weak through the flesh (Rom 8:3) but rather we are set free through Jesus Christ whereby we walk after the Spirit by a faith which works by love and we fulfill the righteous requirements of the law (Rom 8:4).

This is why it is impossible for a born again Christian who has the seed of Christ within to willfully sin against their neighbour. To do so would be to cast the seed of Christ out and to turn back to walking carnally according to the passions and desires of the flesh. Now be aware I am not saying that a Christian cannot willfully sin, I am saying that is is impossible to willfully sin without casting out the seed within. Willful sin is to turn away from God.

1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Summary

1. The moral law of the Ten Commandments is good, in fact it is glorious.
2. The moral law of the Ten Commandments administered death to men who violated the law when they knew it was wrong to do so.
3. The moral law of the Ten Commandments only addresses the outward man.
4. The Spirit of life in Jesus Christ is more glorious than that of the law of rules. This is because love fulfills the law.
5. Thus being in Jesus Christ does away with law that addresses the outward man because the law written on the heart (through Christ) manifests as fruit in the outward man.
6. Thus true righteousness is by faith (which works by love) and not by the law.
7. Hence God reckons us righteous by faith and not by the works of the law.
 
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JaumeJ

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The Children of Israel did inscribe the law of Moses in stone themselves on at least one occasion, I believe more than one, but here is the one:

Deu 27:3
and thou shalt write upon them all the words of this law, when thou art passed over; that thou mayest go in unto the land which Jehovah thy God giveth thee, a land flowing with milk and honey, as Jehovah, the God of thy fathers, hath promised thee.

The difference is the Ten were inscribed by God, Himself, which to me is a significant distinction given them. Think of it, instructions for moral behavior given directly by our Father. None of the Ten are a burden to obey, while the myriad of Mosaic laws keep a person busy for life in attempting to adhere to them, impossible!
 

Grandpa

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None of the Ten are a burden to obey,
Really??

You are perfect before God according to His Law written on stone??

The Lord Jesus says to lay down your heavy burden (the stones) and pick up His Yoke (the spirit) which is easy to bear.



 
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Really??

You are perfect before God according to His Law written on stone??

The Lord Jesus says to lay down your heavy burden (the stones) and pick up His Yoke (the spirit) which is easy to bear.
Amen, It is not what he said not to do, it is what he said to do.

to many people focus on the thou shalt not's Which was only given to prove we needed a savior. And refuse to look at the though shalts.

We see though shalt not commit adultry, we do not look at the love your spouse as yourself. When we focus on loving (do this), we will not think about the thou shalt not.

The thing she said to do are not a burden. not the things he said not to do. If the things he said not to do were not such a burden, we would obey them all and not have needed Christ.
 

JaumeJ

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Really??

You are perfect before God according to His Law written on stone??

The Lord Jesus says to lay down your heavy burden (the stones) and pick up His Yoke (the spirit) which is easy to bear.
Don't be silly! I said they are not a burden to me. I am not perfect, this is why I lean on the Lord, but it is not difficult for me not to steal, lie, to honor my parents, to not to bear false witness, to worship Yahweh only, observe the Sabbath, etc. How can those be a burden? I ask in all honesty. When I falter, I have the Mediator, Yeshua...........Jesus.

Which of the Ten is the burden?
 
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Grandpa

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Summary

1. The moral law of the Ten Commandments is good, in fact it is glorious.
2. The moral law of the Ten Commandments administered death to men who violated the law when they knew it was wrong to do so.
3. The moral law of the Ten Commandments only addresses the outward man.
4. The Spirit of life in Jesus Christ is more glorious than that of the law of rules. This is because love fulfills the law.
5. Thus being in Jesus Christ does away with law that addresses the outward man because the law written on the heart (through Christ) manifests as fruit in the outward man.
6. Thus true righteousness is by faith (which works by love) and not by the law.
7. Hence God reckons us righteous by faith and not by the works of the law.
#3 is not correct.
Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

which makes #5 incorrect.
Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Being in Christ FULFILLS the Law. It is further explained that it is Love that does this. Love is written on the heart of born again Christians. This is the heart of flesh that is talked about in Ezekiel 36.

The rest of what you posted is really spot on.
 
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Don't be silly! I said they are not a burden to me. I am not perfect, this is why I lean on the Lord, but it is not difficult for me not to steal, lie, to honor my parents, to not to bear false witness, to worship Yahweh only, observe the Sabbath, etc. How can those be a burden? I ask in all honesty. When I falter, I have the Mediator, Yeshua...........Jesus.

Which of the Ten is the burden?
Hi JaumeJ,

If the 10 commandments are not a burden to you then why do you still say "When I falter" and "I am not perfect"?

How often do you "falter" and do you believe there is a limit to how often God will let you falter and it impacting on your salvation?
 
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Really??

You are perfect before God according to His Law written on stone??

The Lord Jesus says to lay down your heavy burden (the stones) and pick up His Yoke (the spirit) which is easy to bear.
Jesus gave the Laws to Moses, so you're saying that Jesus said to put down the stones that He wrote Laws that He came up with and so graciously gave and pick up His Spirit which is somehow easier? And this makes sense to you?

The Spirit of Jesus would Keep the Laws He gave. And the fact that Jesus said "Be perfect..." give you (or anyone) power to be exactly that ... Perfect.

Keeping All of the Commandments of God Always (Deut 5:29).

Even criminals and those who makes no proclamation to Christianity at all or even believe in God keep some of the commandments some of the time.
 
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Jesus gave the Laws to Moses, so you're saying that Jesus said to put down the stones that He wrote Laws that He came up with and so graciously gave and pick up His Spirit which is somehow easier? And this makes sense to you?

The Spirit of Jesus would Keep the Laws He gave. And the fact that Jesus said "Be perfect..." give you (or anyone) power to be exactly that ... Perfect.

Keeping All of the Commandments of God Always (Deut 5:29).

Even criminals and those who makes no proclamation to Christianity at all or even believe in God keep some of the commandments some of the time.
Does love fulfill all of the law? YES!


Can one who loves to eat pork love one who does not? YES!

Can one who is gay love his neighbor who is not and fulfill ALL the law? YES!
 
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Being in Christ FULFILLS the Law.
I love that you stated this. It is so very true that to Be IN Christ Fulfills the Law. Since breaking the Law is Sin and there is NO sin in Christ, if you are IN Christ then you are NOT practicing sinning correct?

1 John 3:4-6


4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.


Come to Christ, Abide in Christ where there is No sin. The righteous man falls seven times and gets up again. As long as you abide in Christ you will come to the point where you would rather die than to commit a sin (break one of the 10 Commandments).
 
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haz

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The law is used by God to teach one the difference between right and wrong for it depicts a standard of outward righteous behaviour.
You are focusing far too much on the outward behavior and missing the main points.

Scripture tells us that the law was:
1: Our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith, Gal 3:24 (which you also recognized)
2: Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God, Rom 3:19
But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. Rom 7:13

Do you notice the link?
Under the law, righteousness by works (outward behavior/obedience to the law) resulted in the guilty verdict and death.
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all, James 2:10

Under the law we are guilty, deserving death.
Which, being the schoolmaster, brings us to Christ for salvation.
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. Rom 10:4

So regarding the physical outward behavior in obedience to the law that you focus on, this is not what determines or proves righteousness. This is not how the thief on the cross was judged.

The physical is dead/crucified with Christ (Rom 6:6).
And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin, Rom 8:10
For he that is dead is freed from sin, Rom 6:7

Rom 6:22:
"But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
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Fruit unto holiness is not obedience to the law (10 commandments)
The "fruit unto holiness" speaks of Jesus Christ. He is the firstfruit in Christians. 1Cor 15:20
"But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept."

And it is Christ (the firstfruit) in us that makes us holy. Rom 11:16
" if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy"

And with Christ in us we have everlasting life.
The thief on the cross received Christ the firstfruit and thus became holy and had everlasting life, as Rom 6:22 describes. This was achieved without any obedience to the law. It was grace alone.


Christians (like the thief on the cross) obey God's will.
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life, John 6:40

Our works are to believe on him whom he hath sent, John 6:29

This is righteousness by faith, Rom 4:5

This is why it is impossible for a born again Christian who has the seed of Christ within to willfully sin against their neighbour. To do so would be to cast the seed of Christ out and to turn back to walking carnally according to the passions and desires of the flesh. Now be aware I am not saying that a Christian cannot willfully sin, I am saying that is is impossible to willfully sin without casting out the seed within. Willful sin is to turn away from God.

1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
You refer to Heb 10:26-29 above.
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?


To "sin" willfully is to bring yourself under the law.
For if I build again the things which I destroyed (righteousness by obedience/works of the law), I make myself a transgressor (sinner) Gal 2:18
for sin is the transgression of the law, 1John 3:4


Having the knowledge of the truth is to have received Christ.


Christians have repented from "dead works" of self-righteousness, Heb 6:1


Heb 10:26-29 is confirmed by Heb 6:4-6
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened , and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come (having the knowledge of the truth/saved by grace),
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.


And 1John 3:9 shows us how that with His seed (Christ) in us, we "cannot sin".
This is not determined by our outward/physical behavior/obedience to the law. This outward/physical man is dead because of sin anyway, Rom 10:8


Instead it's determined by having Christ in us.
For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. Col 3:3
 
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The sabbath day is for me and my family to worship my Lord and saviour and to have fellowship with my brothers and sisters in christ at church. Wroshipp starts at 10:00am and ends at 12:30pm, just nice to have lunch with my brothers and sisters in christ to share in our love. It really nice and enjoying. Everyone should try.
 
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Thanks for saying comments are welcome, Jack. :)
Here are mine...

The Lord repeated the "top ten", as my son calls them, under the new covenant.
But He made them so much more than "donts".

Not just have no other gods before me, but love the Lord with all your heart, soul, mind, strength. (I can't do that...do you know anyone who can?)
Not just don't have physical idols, but watch your heart. Is anything we think of God that isn't so a form of idolatry? (honest question)
Not just honor your parents, but actually do what you can to help them.
Not just don't murder, but if in your heart you call your brother a name...
Not just don't commit adultery, but wives, respect your husbands, husbands love your wives, submit to one another.
Not just don't steal, but give.
Not just don't bear false witness, but be a faithful witness, like Jesus.
Not just don't covet, but love others as you do yourself.

Under the New Covenant, all the rules were expanded, and changed from a system of don'ts to Do's. :)
I think the way God "changed" the fourth commandment is particularly lovely.
A perpetual Sabbath Rest in the Person of One Jesus of Nazareth.
Do come to Me...do take my yoke upon you...do receive rest for your soul. ♥
(I am still intrigued by the thought that the nation of Israel wasn't told to make the seventh day a day of worship...)

In my own life, the law of Moses made me see my own abject poverty,
and now my riches in Christ.
The law stands forever, but we have died! :)
We are crucified with Christ, so we are no longer slaves to sin, but to Jesus.
We died so that sin, through the law, can't take advantage of it (opportunity through the commandment) anymore!
I think Romans 7 bears that out.

If you wish to worship on the seventh day, you are to feel free, but not as a command, as I think you know well. :)
All days belong to Him, and we rest every day in Him. ♥
thanks for listening-
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Deu 5:3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.

This included the 10 commandments, they are the only Laws mentioned in Chapter 5 here.

If God did not make this with their Fathers (Adam-Abraham-up to Moses) but only with those that were "here and alive this day", then it was a covenant for the Jews only, not the Gentiles. No gentiles were present.

We are not under any of the OT Laws, including the keeping of a Sabbath day.

Unless you are Jewish or consider yourself a proselyte, then Due 5 says this your not part of this covenant.

In fact the much of the NT Epistles are refuting this very idea, that any part of the Law should be kept.


The blessing of salvation being offered to the Gentiles came only through Christ, and there is not one passage in the NT after the cross, telling any Gentiles (or Jews for that matter) to observe the law of Moses.



As for God writing the 10 commands with his own finger, if it were meant to be something significant and important, then why have Moses write them the 2nd time?

The Bible does not say there was anything significant, so any answers can really only be speculation. Nothing wrong with wondering and speculating, but would not make a speculation the foundation of any doctrine.


Also, the typology needs to be considered when speculating.

We know that Moses was a type of Christ, and Christ the anti-type - Due 18:18

If this was also a shadow of what was to come, as with most of Moses' llife, in how it foreshadowed spiritual events that were fulfilled by Christ (like both freeing God's people from bondage - Ex, John 8:32), then this to could be foreshadowing an event later to come.

Type(or shadow):
God literally writing the 10 commands.

Anti Type:
God wrote the first covenant with Moses and Jews




Type: Moses breaking the original stones

Anti-type :The Jews misused these laws, and broke them



Type:
Moses, rewriting the 10 commands.

Anti-type:
Jesus came, and made a new covenant with the people, yet it was still God's laws



Type: The 10 commands that God wrote, were the same 10 commands Moses wrote

Anti-type: it is ultimately still God's laws, just as with the NT given by Christ:


John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak



 

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They are not a burden because you observe them through Love.

When the heart is circumcised the guide and comforter is our New strength...

Now, i can only say this through my own experience.....

There should not be any accusation to those that observe the Ten.

How often will people quiz those that live by the 10 Commandments...

Why ask a person if they keep them perfectly, if you yourselves do not even acknowledge the Sabbath?

It is odd that many will attempt to tell those striving to Keep Sabbath how it "must be kept"...

I got a call late one friday/saturday night to go and pick my relative up.. who was intoxicated and distressed.

I of courses went to her aid.. for it is lawful to do good on Sabbath.

I was then asked to go into the shop and buy some alcohol...

i'm quite sure you will know the answer to the above.


According to some i would of broken Sabbath because i ignited my car engine and "kindled a fire"

Let Yahvah God be the judge of all things.
 

JaumeJ

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Hi JaumeJ,

If the 10 commandments are not a burden to you then why do you still say "When I falter" and "I am not perfect"?

How often do you "falter" and do you believe there is a limit to how often God will let you falter and it impacting on your salvation?

I would say it is because we may say because of Yeshua, Jesus, we are without sin, yet we are sinners. It is the very same. He will finish the work He began in each of us on His Day.. Please let me know is this reply is sufficient. Yahweh, God bless you and hold you near always, amen.
 

JaumeJ

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Really??

You are perfect before God according to His Law written on stone??

The Lord Jesus says to lay down your heavy burden (the stones) and pick up His Yoke (the spirit) which is easy to bear.
We are free of the curse of the law no matter how it is described. My burden was sin previous to confessing Jesus, Yeshua. He is my Rock, as is written. As for what is written on stone, the op is on the distinction of the Ten written by our Father, Himself, it is not about the 600+ other ceremonial impossible-to-follow laws in the Pentateuch.

Believe me when I tell you, I do nothing, it has been done for me on the Cross.

 
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Better not let Ozell catch you saying this.
He believes the children of Ham are the children of Shem.
So he seeks to save through proving he is one of them-(the followers of the law).
Don't tell him any different or you are a denominationalist!!!!