The Times of the Gentiles

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In fact, none of Abraham’s covenant seed had his DNA, only Ishmael then.
We are told that God has keep 144,000 pure onto Himself. 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes. (Rev 7:4)
 
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We are told that God has keep 144,000 pure onto Himself. 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes. (Rev 7:4)
Unbelievers were removed from the 12 tribes in Romans 11. And believing gentiles grafted in. So what's your point?
 

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Not only that, but "the 12" were told they will "sit on 12 thrones, judgING the 12 TRIBES of Israel"... Lk22:30,16,18 / Matt19:28 (<--and take note of Matthew 25:31-34 for its TIMING) [see also Matt26:29]
 
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Unbelievers were removed from the 12 tribes in Romans 11. And believing gentiles grafted in. So what's your point?
Where do you get this stuff?
 

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When the Church age ends. There are many names for the time we live in right now. The time of the Gentiles, the Church Age, Holy Spirit desperation and so on. We are very close to the end of this age now. I would say another 10 years or so. WE are at the time of the Final Harvest. This will be the greatest anointing the Church has ever received. People in the past and people in the future are eager to look at the time we live in right now. This is a very exciting time for the church. Some people say a billion young people will come to Christ in the next 10 years.
We are in the last time, i agree. But I fear there will be more an mass falling away from Christ, then an mass coming to Christ.
 

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The believing Jews are grafted into the Church/Israel. So considering this, there is no national restoration of the Jews.
Which bible you are reading? And whose teaching you are following?
 

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I read the bible at least 1 1/2 times through each year. Sometimes more, for many years now. It's how I begin each day in the wee hours.
I mean in because of your view about the folk of Israel in the future. You read then also f.e. the book of Joel. In this book it is written that the folk of Israel will live in peace. This till now the folk of Israel has not expierienced. So it will be in the future.
To deny this calls the prophecie a lie.
 
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We are in the last time, i agree. But I fear there will be more an mass falling away from Christ, then an mass coming to Christ.
Exactly. Charles Dickens says it a lot better than I can: "It was the best of time & the worst of times".
 

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Unbelievers were removed from the 12 tribes in Romans 11. And believing gentiles grafted in. So what's your point?
We are looking at Rev 7:3,4 “Do not harm the land or sea or trees until we have sealed the foreheads of the servants of our God.” 4And I heard the number of those who were sealed, 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel" They will be here during the Tribulation period to represent God here on the Earth. They are already writting their books and preparing their teaching. They are getting ready to serve God and do the Job He has for the to do after the Church is caught up to be with the Lord. Just like the priest are trained and they are ready to begin the animal sacrifices. The cornerstone has been cut and they are ready to being building the temple on the temple mount.
 
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We are in the last time, i agree. But I fear there will be more an mass falling away from Christ, then an mass coming to Christ.
In the world there is a falling away. In the Church this is going to be a revival greater than the beginning. Moses tells us about the latter rain: "I will send rain on your land in its season, both autumn and spring rains, so that you may gather in your grain, new wine and olive oil." (Deut 10:14) Joel 2:23,24 talks about this: " He sends you showers, both autumn and spring rains, as before. The threshing floors will be full of grain, and the vats will overflow with new wine and oil". Jesus teaches a lot on this harvest and there are many scriptures that talk about the harvest that we are about to enter into. " “The harvest is plentiful, but the workers are few." (Luke 10:2)
 

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In the world there is a falling away. In the Church this is going to be a revival greater than the beginning. Moses tells us about the latter rain: "I will send rain on your land in its season, both autumn and spring rains, so that you may gather in your grain, new wine and olive oil." (Deut 10:14) Joel 2:23,24 talks about this: " He sends you showers, both autumn and spring rains, as before. The threshing floors will be full of grain, and the vats will overflow with new wine and oil". Jesus teaches a lot on this harvest and there are many scriptures that talk about the harvest that we are about to enter into. " “The harvest is plentiful, but the workers are few." (Luke 10:2)
I fear, i cant follow. From what should the world from away? They Satan must not turn away from God. But the church, is to fall away from faith. And Satan is coming as angel of light with miracles and wonders. The people/ believers today tend today to seek wonders and miracles without asking the scripture.
Thats the way how Satan can deceive also the believers. Look to the oekomene. Nearly ervery denomination is there. Even the spiritfilled penecostal and charismatic movements.
 
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So considering this, there is no national restoration of the Jews.
Zechariah 13:9 tells us: "This third I will put into the fire; I will refine them like silver and test them like gold. They will call on my name and I will answer them; I will say, 'They are my people,' and they will say, 'The LORD is our God.'" 2/3 will be cut off and 1/3 will be restored. I believe that it is possible that 1/3 of the gentiles will be redeemed. If they are not restored then they are destroyed. IF God was going to destroy them He would have already done that and if that were the case we would not even have our Bible. Because our Bible is a book of redemption and restoration. God wants to redeem and restore us all and there is an open invitation to who so ever is willing let them come. "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." (2Petr3:9)

I did restoration work. IF you do not restore something then the only option is to tear it down. That is getting to be more and more popular to tear it down and start all over again. Some people do not understand why God wants to redeem and restore us. Why He did not just start all over again from the beginning. The Bible tells us because of His love for us He wants to redeem and restore us.
 
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I fear, i can't follow.
My question for you is: can not follow Jesus when He tells us that: “The harvest is plentiful, but the workers are few." (Luke 10:2) Then I guess God can not use you to be a part of what He is doing. But I do not understand why you would fight what God is going. I know the scripture you are talking about: "Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’" (Matthew 7:22,23) The problem for me here is the word: "MANY". We are clearly told to let the wheat and the tares grow and let the angels sort them out at the end of the age. "Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.'" (Matthew 13:30)
 
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From what should the world from away?
Do you mean what do they turn way from? Drugs - sex & rock and roll is what they would use to say. Rabbi Friedman just wrote a book and he talks about how sex drains people and tear them down. But intimacy builds them up and strengthens them. He has lot of video on youtube that talks about this subject as he tires to work with the girls to help them find the right husband for them. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rabbi+friedman+intimacy
 

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Where do you get this stuff?
The Bible. The Epistle to the Romans chapter 11.

The Remnant of Israel
11 I ask, then, has God rejected his people? By no means! For I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham,[a] a member of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew. Do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he appeals to God against Israel? 3 “Lord, they have killed your prophets, they have demolished your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life.” 4 But what is God's reply to him? “I have kept for myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” 5 So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace. 6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.

7 What then? Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened, 8 as it is written,
“God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes that would not see
and ears that would not hear,
down to this very day.”

9 And David says,
“Let their table become a snare and a trap,
a stumbling block and a retribution for them;
10 let their eyes be darkened so that they cannot see,
and bend their backs forever.”
Gentiles Grafted In
11 So I ask, did they stumble in order that they might fall? By no means! Rather, through their trespass salvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous. 12 Now if their trespass means riches for the world, and if their failure means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their full inclusion[b] mean!

13 Now I am speaking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry 14 in order somehow to make my fellow Jews jealous, and thus save some of them. 15 For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead? 16 If the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, so is the whole lump, and if the root is holy, so are the branches.

17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root[c] of the olive tree, 18 do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you. 19 Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. 22 Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off. 23 And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again. 24 For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree.
The Mystery of Israel's Salvation
25 Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers:[d] a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written,
“The Deliverer will come from Zion,
he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”;
27 “and this will be my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”

28 As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 For just as you were at one time disobedient to God but now have received mercy because of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now been disobedient in order that by the mercy shown to you they also may now[e] receive mercy. 32 For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.

33 Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways!

34 “For who has known the mind of the Lord,
or who has been his counselor?”
35 “Or who has given a gift to him
that he might be repaid?”

36 For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be glory forever. Amen.

Footnotes
  1. Romans 11:1 Or one of the offspring of Abraham
  2. Romans 11:12 Greek their fullness
  3. Romans 11:17 Greek root of richness; some manuscripts richness
  4. Romans 11:25 Or brothers and sisters
  5. Romans 11:31 Some manuscripts omit now