The Times of the Gentiles

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iamsoandso

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The materials are symbolic also.

(Rev 21:19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald )

(1 Pet 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. )

Just as Jesus is the called the corner stone symbolically of the temple:

(Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone)

(Eph 2:2 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord)

Considering you see Revelation as spiritual and not literal help me with this verse...Revelation 13:15

"And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast,that the image of the beast should both speak,and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed."

Now those who don't worship the image are killed if they had worshiped the image then they would be deceived and then this would be a spiritual death. But they are not deceived as it seems because they don't worship the image so the only death that would be left to consider is a literal,carnal,physical death do you agree?
 

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It's right here:

(Luke 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David)


(Acts 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne)

(Acts 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.)

(Acts 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.)

(Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear)

You are expecting an earthly throne (just as the Jews who rejected Jesus were). whereas Peter is saying it is in the heavenlies.
Of course, as God promissed it to Israel during the 1000 years. By the way the jews will accept in future Jesus as their Messajah.
And yes, there is also an heavenly Jerusalem.
 
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That would be a short rule over the kingdoms of the world if you are correct right? That is Jesus destroys the world's kingdoms as soon as he rules over them?
He rules over them now. He is God as always isn't he?
 
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Sorry to say, you tend to make statments without giving scriptual proof for it. Also you are coming with man wisedom, but not with Gods word.
You are unaware of my texts that prove my claim. So you cannot prove your charges.
 
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This is exactly the kind of response that leads people to give up on attempting to converse with you. You made the assertion; you support it. That's how it works.
I don't like to argue. I offer it on a take it or leave it basis.
 
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He is presently seated on David's throne in heavenly Jerusalem above.
Matthew 6:10 King James Version (KJV)

10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.


The astute readers of this thread are fully aware that you have not answered any of the questions that we have posed to you thus far. Your responses resemble that of a Sly Politician rather than a Promoter and Purveyor of Scriptural/Biblical Truth.
 

Dino246

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I don't like to argue. I offer it on a take it or leave it basis.
Arguing is exactly what you are doing, posting snippy comments and questions instead of Scripture-based assertions. If you can't support your position on Scripture with Scripture, it isn't worth reading.
 
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Arguing is exactly what you are doing, posting snippy comments and questions instead of Scripture-based assertions. If you can't support your position on Scripture with Scripture, it isn't worth reading.
I alway use scripture in my OPs. I am more willing to invest time if I sense other than a combative attitude.
 
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Matthew 6:10 King James Version (KJV)

10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.


The astute readers of this thread are fully aware that you have not answered any of the questions that we have posed to you thus far. Your responses resemble that of a Sly Politician rather than a Promoter and Purveyor of Scriptural/Biblical Truth.
Why should I answer insults?
 

Dino246

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I alway use scripture in my OPs. I am more willing to invest time if I sense other than a combative attitude.
Your OP does not always support your later assertions. To find "combative", you need look no farther than your mirror.
 
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Your OP does not always support your later assertions. To find "combative", you need look no farther than your mirror.
You make unfounded unproven accusations. When you show some proof you will gain credibility.
 
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It means the power he had in his earthen body was not of that body of death. The power not of his own self. The unseen father spoke through the Son of man putting his words on the lips of Jesus. . Just as he speaks through us "sent ones" (apostles) today who declare prophecy the gospel .Yet our High Apostle Jesus was without sin. He temporally lived in a body of Sin but his eternal Spirit is sinless.

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

No power is attributed to the corrutped flesh. No such thing as holiness of the corrupted dying flesh

Romans 1:3-5 King James Version (KJV) Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

In that way no man can serve two Masters (flesh and the spirit) as those who have the power of the one Spirit . (1) That in which the eyes see the temporal the Son of man, and #2 that in which unseen spirit works in us to reveal the eternal .

Jesus refused to stand in the holy unseen place of the father. .. an abomination of desolation. The place of the many antichrists.

Matthew 19:15-17 King James Version (KJV)And he laid his hands on them, and departed thence And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Hear him not seen the eternal One.The temporal is long gone
garee, are you saying that the Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ does not have Temporal Power?
 
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In post #115 and #194 I explained that the mark of the beast ect. were not present at that time and that the times of the fourth beast were still in effect. This is why the Apostles stated to see the masters over them as such the same as if they were still under/in the captivity(I.E. the Babylon,Persia,Greece Rome) but Rome was still over the world and as stated in the OT they were to build houses and dwell in them and accept the punishment until it was over.

The times of the Gentile rule over them as stated by Jesus(times of the gentiles/Matthew)so the earth is required to obey them as if from God. The image of the beast that ascends out of the pit and the mark to buy or sell you should not obey it is not part of the times of the gentile rule of Daniel. Please see the post I mentioned to save me from re-writing it.
What is the "Mark of the Beast"? And can you show from Scripture that the "Mark of the Beast" is not present at the time John is speaking? Does Rome have Dominion over the World today?
 
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So, in the "Resurrection Chapter" (1Cor15), what do you believe Paul meant when he said,

"And last of all, He appeared also to me, as to one of untimely birth." 1Cor15:8 (said by Paul).

In what sense would you say this occurred? "Seen" or "unseen" (as you put it)?
He blinded Saul to remind him that the blind see and the deaf hear .A fulfilment of prophecy. Previously as Saul the Christian killer He was saying all things written in the law and the prophets was heresy. God revealed him the light as he did to Peter when Peter was asked directly. . who do you say, not what do others say?

Isaiah 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

Who do we say is the Christ, the anointing Holy Spirit or is that only revealed by our faithful Father not seen. The Faithfull Creator.
 
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I don't think that 2nd Corinthians verse says what you think it means to say.
Jesus was God, the Holy Spirit, not man, that created all things of and from Himself. Colossians chapter 1.
He was flesh and blood human, however His nature was not sinful, nor was His flesh. To believe that would mean Holy Spirit God who covered Mary, whom He favored in His grace, forgave of her sins, so as to knit Himself together , begat Himself, in her womb, would knit together as Holy Spirt, corruption that would walk the Earth as Savior from corruption.
That would make not for an unblemished lamb of God without spot, as Jesus was called. The Book of 1st Peter chapter 1. You're mistaken about the body of Christ, the human body.

(CKB Version) The Book of Romans chapter 8:3 For what the Torah could not do by itself, because it lacked the power to make the old nature cooperate, God did by sending his own Son as a human being with a nature like our own sinful one [but without sin]. God did this in order to deal with sin, and in so doing he executed the punishment against sin in human nature,

ESV=3 For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin,[c] he condemned sin in the flesh....

Sinful=ἁμαρτία (hamartia)
Strong: G266
GK: G281
error; offence, sin, Mt. 1:21; a principle or cause of sin, Rom. 7:7; proneness to sin, sinful propensity, Rom. 7:17, 20; guilt or imputation of sin, Jn. 9:41; Heb. 9:26; a guilty subject, sin-offering, expiatory victim, 2 Cor. 5:21


Flesh=σάρξ (sarx)
Strong: G4561
GK: G4922
flesh, Lk. 24:39; Jn. 3:6; the human body, 2 Cor. 7:5; flesh, human nature, human frame, Jn. 1:13, 14; 1 Pet. 4:1; 1 Jn. 4:2; kindred, Rom. 11:14; lineage, Rom. 1:3; 9:3; flesh, humanity, human beings, Mt. 24:22; Lk. 3:6; Jn. 17:2; the circumstances of the body, material condition, 1 Cor. 5:5; 7:28; Phlm. 16; flesh, mere humanity, human fashion, 1 Cor. 1:26; 2 Cor. 1:17; flesh as the seat of passion and frailty, Rom. 8:1, 3, 5; carnality, Gal. 5:24; materiality, material circumstance, as opposed to the spiritual, Phil. 3:3, 4; Col. 2:18; a material system or mode, Gal. 3:3; Heb. 9:10



The Epistle to the Hebrews chapter 2:14 Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, he himself likewise partook of the same things, that through death he might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is, the devil, 15 and deliver all those who through fear of death were subject to lifelong slavery. 16 For surely it is not angels that he helps, but he helps the offspring of Abraham. 17 Therefore he had to be made like his brothers in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. 18 For because he himself has suffered when tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.

Chapter 4:14 Since then we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. 15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin.
Hi Thanks for the reply,

I am not suggesting Jesus sinned.

I am saying the bible reveals Jesus saying his corrupted flesh he inherited from his mother profits for nothing ..Corrupted flesh and blood must be signified as if it is sinful. This is in order to do what the letter of the law (the things seen) could not do heal as a law of faith (the unseen eternal)

The same corrupted flesh and blood the children share in he himself likewise partook of the same things, that through death. Not through birth .


Romans 8:2-4 King James Version (KJV) For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law (death) of For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the "likeness" of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

No sinful flesh no demonstration of the father not seen.

Mary's corrupted flesh added nothing to the work of the unseen Spirit that worked in her to both will and do the good pleasure of God not seen. The same power that worked in the Son of Man, Jesus. The power reckoned by death not birth.

No "power" as to what the eyes see. I would offer. God is not a man as us. Never could be.

Emanuel yes.

Romans 1:3-5 King James Version (KJV)
Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
 

Dino246

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I am not suggesting Jesus sinned.
Good!

I am saying the bible reveals Jesus saying his corrupted flesh he inherited from his mother profits for nothing
Jesus did not have corrupted flesh. If you think He did, prove it from Scripture.

Corrupted flesh and blood must be signified as if it is sinful.
That's not in Scripture anywhere. Rather, it is contrary to Scripture.
 
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Jesus did not have corrupted flesh. If you think He did, prove it from Scripture.
Then where is he hiding? Has he lost any hair in the last 2000 years. ?

Eternal God does not age as in dying. The wrath of God. . aging dying is being revealed. . a living hell . We have our rest in Christ. He is our Sabbath .Our place of refuge. Like David said: When we awake he is still there.
 
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That's not in Scripture anywhere. Rather, it is contrary to Scripture.
Note. . . (black) my added comments

Romans 8:2-4 King James Version (KJV) For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus (the anointing Holy Spirit of God) hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness (not of sinful but a symbol as likeness) of sinful flesh(corrupted) , and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh(corruption) , but after the Spirit. (not seen)
 

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Hi Garee thanks for your reply. Per your remarks pasted here: "...Jesus saying his corrupted flesh he inherited from his mother profits for nothing." Where did Jesus state this. Not the Epistles of Saul, Jesus in His ministry on earth. Where did He say that of Himself? Thank you.