The timing of the rapture?

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When do you think the raptrure will take place?

  • Pre trib rapture?

    Votes: 7 77.8%
  • Mid Trib rapture?

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Post trib rapture?

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other?

    Votes: 2 22.2%

  • Total voters
    9
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onwingsaseagles

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While the series, Left Behind is fiction, (duh!), I think that they DID try to make them Biblically based. Noah's Dad, could you point out how they are not? ...and did the authors SAY that as you infer?

They really seemed to tick a LOT of boxes from what I have read in the Bible but, of course, no one is complete in their knowledge.
The whole concept of the left behind books are anti biblical there will be no left behind for the tribulation the pretrib rapture is a man made teaching not a biblical one. Those left behind at the rapture will be immediately destroyed by fire. ''Matthew 3:12, 2nd Thess 1:7-8''
 
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NazariteNation

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The whole concept of the left behind books are anti biblical there will be no left behind for the tribulation the pretrib rapture is a man made teaching not a biblical one. Those left behind at the rapture will be immediately destroyed by fire. ''Matthew 3:12, 2nd Thess 1:7-8''
Actually Onwings, not everyone dies during the tribulation. If you do the math, roughly 2/3's of the world's population is destroyed. There are survivors, most likely those that the Lord himself has divinely protected, that will go on to live during the 1000 year reign of Christ here on earth. After that, Satan shall be loose from his chains for a short time. Then the Great White Throne Judgment follows.
 
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onwingsaseagles

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Actually Onwings, not everyone dies during the tribulation. If you do the math, roughly 2/3's of the world's population is destroyed. There are survivors, most likely those that the Lord himself has divinely protected, that will go on to live during the 1000 year reign of Christ here on earth. After that, Satan shall be loose from his chains for a short time. Then the Great White Throne Judgment follows.
I never said that everyone dies during the tribulation. The rapture is at the end of the tribulation as Jesus is returning at the 2nd coming. As Jesus is returning He will resurrect the just, rapture the living saints, saved the Jews, and destroy the wicked. It is the Jews who accept Jesus as Messiah when they see Him returning to earth after the rapture but before the firey destruction or wrath that go into the Millennium in mortal bodies to propulate the earth during the Millennium.
 
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onwingsaseagles

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I am what you would call a ''Historical Premillennialist''. It is called the Historical view because it is just that, it is the view of the Apostles and their disciples, and I believe it is the view taught by Jesus and Paul in the scriptures.
I believe.....

#1 That the church and the Israel of God are one. I do not believe in ''Replacement theology'' but that we were of 2 made 1 new man as taught in Ephesians 2:11-19 and that we are grafted into the true Israel of God as taught in Romans 11:17-24.

#2 That the just of all ages will be resurrected at the posttrib 2nd coming and that immediately after the resurrection of the just those that have survived the tribulation and remain alive will be caught up or ''raptured'' at that time. That we the dead in Christ and the living saint will receive immortal heavenly bodies at the posttrib 2nd coming as we are caught up to meet the Lord in the air as taught in 1st Cor 15:51-53, 1st Thess 4:15-17, and 1st John 3:2

#3 At this point after the resurrection and the rapture Jesus will purge the wicked by fire as taught in Matthew 3:12 and 2nd Thess 1:6-10 and restore the Jewish nation that have not bowed to the anti christ as taught in Romans 11:25-26. The Jews will enter the Millennium in their mortal bodies and populate it with mortal, while the church or the bride (those resurrected and raptured) will reign with Christ as kings and priests during the Millennium in immortal heavenly bodies as taught in Revelation 20:4-6.

#4 That at the end of the Millennium Satan will be loosed from the bottomless pit, he will deceive a great multitude of mortals God will destroy them, then will come the great white throne judgment as taught in Revelation 20:7-15.

#5 After the Great White Throne judgment New Jerusalem will come down from Heaven to the New Earth we will live in the New Jerusalem with God the Father and Jesus Christ for all eternity, while the wicked suffer for all eternity in the Lake of Fire as taught in Revelation 21.

P.S. The heaven and Earth that exists now will not exists after the White Throne Judgment.

I actually posted this in another thread (Historical Premillennialism) but felt lead to repost it here. This is the belief and teaching of Jesus, Paul, John the Apostle as well as his disciples. This belief includes the post trib return of Christ, resurrection of the dead in Christ, and the rapture of the living saints. This was the dominant veiw of the early church in the 1st and 2nd centuries until outlawed as heresy by Catholicism in the 5th century. Those that promote the pretrib rapture oppose this teaching of Jesus, Paul John, his disciples such as Polycarp as well as scripture itself.
 

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Baptistrw

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If you believe differently then you should have a biblical reason as to why you would believe pretrib, maybe you could enlighten me?

People believe in a pre-trib rapture; Get over it.
 

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onwingsaseagles

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People believe in a pre-trib rapture; Get over it.
I know they believe in it, but why? that is the question. The pretrib rapture is not a belief you can use scripture to form, teach or believe. Why do people believe any doctrine that scripture does not teach?
 
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Aussie_Gurl

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we'll never know till its time :p
 
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Baptistrw

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I know they believe in it, but why? that is the question. The pretrib rapture is not a belief you can use scripture to form, teach or believe. Why do people believe any doctrine that scripture does not teach?
Well if you're left behind, I bet you'll believe in it!
 
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onwingsaseagles

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Well if you're left behind, I bet you'll believe in it!
lol that is a joke, if there were a pretrib rapture (which there is not) I would not be left behind. I believe scripture rather than fables. When the tribulation starts will you stand firm for God or turn your back on Him because man made you a promise that God has no intension of keeping. Nor is He held by the false teaching of man to do what He has never said He would.
 
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onwingsaseagles

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Baptistrw, if you can show me one scripture that says the rapture is before the tribulation then I will believe it. Not scripture that says there is a rapture, I know there will be a rapture. What I want is for you to give one single scripture that says the rapture is before the tribulation starts. If you can do that, then i will believe it. If you cannot, then why do you believe it?
 
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onwingsaseagles

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Baptistrw, if you can show me one scripture that says the rapture is before the tribulation then I will believe it. Not scripture that says there is a rapture, I know there will be a rapture. What I want is for you to give one single scripture that says the rapture is before the tribulation starts. If you can do that, then i will believe it. If you cannot, then why do you believe it?
Odd how silent people get when you ask then for scripture.
 
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dutchpuppy

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I'm not going to worry about this question or proving one version over another. It really looks like a waste of time, a display of pride and ego where there should be more Christian feelings. Change "WWJD" to "WWSD," meaning, "What would Satan do?" He'd like to cause hate, disruption, confusion,etc. None of us can quote scripture like Satan.

Let's get back to basics. "It's all about a man, dying on a cross and saving the world."
 
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SurJones

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First 7 books of Revelation has the Church in it, after that and all tribulation the church is not mentioned - If I remember right -been a long time since I studied that :)
 
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Lil_warrior

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Odd how silent people get when you ask then for scripture.
there is scripture, it's been quoted, but u continue to push it aside and ignore it and say it says something else. you continue quoting scripture that does not prove the postrib theory. you condemn the pretrib believers, no one has condemned the postrib believers yet. i believe God is the only one to condemn in this case, HE is the only who can say who is wrong and who is right. whether it's pretrib or postrib. and who are you to condemn.
 
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Coffeeattack

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Romans 8:1.... no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus
 
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onwingsaseagles

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there is scripture, it's been quoted, but u continue to push it aside and ignore it and say it says something else. you continue quoting scripture that does not prove the postrib theory. you condemn the pretrib believers, no one has condemned the postrib believers yet. i believe God is the only one to condemn in this case, HE is the only who can say who is wrong and who is right. whether it's pretrib or postrib. and who are you to condemn.
Search this thread and repost one scripture that says the rapture is before the tribulation, there has not one been given.
 
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onwingsaseagles

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I'm not going to worry about this question or proving one version over another. It really looks like a waste of time, a display of pride and ego where there should be more Christian feelings. Change "WWJD" to "WWSD," meaning, "What would Satan do?" He'd like to cause hate, disruption, confusion,etc. None of us can quote scripture like Satan.

Let's get back to basics. "It's all about a man, dying on a cross and saving the world."
Satan would create a false doctrine to keep God's people from preparing for the end times, and then have half or more of the so called church teaching it as truth. Oh yeah he has done this it is called the pretrib rapture.
 
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onwingsaseagles

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First 7 books of Revelation has the Church in it, after that and all tribulation the church is not mentioned - If I remember right -been a long time since I studied that :)
First off this is untrue Christians/ saints/ the church is mentioned all through the book of Revelation, and you even got the accusation wrong. The claim is that the church is only mentioned in the first 3 chapters of Reveklation not the first 7 chapters.

Here are some scripture to disprove your statement.

Revelation 13:10 He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who kills with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

Revelation 14:11-12
11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.
 
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onwingsaseagles

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there is scripture, it's been quoted, but u continue to push it aside and ignore it and say it says something else. you continue quoting scripture that does not prove the postrib theory. you condemn the pretrib believers, no one has condemned the postrib believers yet. i believe God is the only one to condemn in this case, HE is the only who can say who is wrong and who is right. whether it's pretrib or postrib. and who are you to condemn.
Repeating that scripture has been given and actually providing scripture are two very different things, what I would like any one to do is provide ascripture not just claim there has been.
 
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