^ [to Jimbone] Recall that Acts 3 has Peter telling "ye men of Israel" (v.12) that Jesus was... "raise up UNTO YOU [that is, in His earthly ministry BEFORE His death]"... as "A PROPHET… unto you of your brethren [like unto me/Moses]"... and it says, "Him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever He shall say UNTO YOU" (v.22) and then in verse 26, it says, "UNTO YOU *FIRST* God, having raised up [that is, in His earthly ministry BEFORE His death] His Servant Jesus, SENT Him to BLESS YOU, in turning every one of you from his iniquities."
See also:
[quoting]
"But, this is not the only point of interest in this appendix to the prophecy. For the Lord has given us the positive proof, by the way in which verse 32 stands here, that "this generation" cannot mean a mere chronological space of thirty or even one hundred years, for it is brought in after the running out of Gentile times and the coming of the Son of man with power and glory, events still unfulfilled. Its force is moral; not exactly the nation of Israel but that Christ-rejecting race which then refused their Messiah as they do still. This will go on till all these solemn threats of judgment are accomplished. It is profitable to remark that here, not in doctrine or in practice only, but in these unfoldings of the future, the Lord pledges the impossibility of failing in His words. The Lord does not say that this generation "shall not pass away till the temple is destroyed or the city taken," but till all be fulfilled. Now, He had introduced the subsequent treading down of Jerusalem to the end of Israel's trials at His appearing, and He declares that this generation shall not pass away till then; as indeed it is only then grace will form a new [future] generation, the generation [yet] to come. The more we hold fast the continuity of the stream of the prophecy, as distinguished from the crisis in Matthew and Mark, the greater will be seen to be the importance of this remark."
--William Kelly, Luke 21 Commentary
[end quoting; bold, underline, and brackets mine]
Again the exact same thing, no dressed up fancy commentary from people coming at it wanting to see it in the text, can convince me what it says isn't at all what it means. The whole concept that we are not smart enough to read Gods word and understand it, that I need "--William Kelly, Luke 21 Commentary" beside my bible to explain to me why the clear text doesn't mean what it says. Is this raising not red flags for you?You have to ADD to whats written to come to the conclusions you guys are putting forth. All I can do is share my view, and I appreciate you guys doing the same thing. This is what we are called to do, and I know I always go a bit overboard with saying this but I want to be very clear that I regard this as a debate between brothers, and I do disagree clearly, but I just don't want to come across too arrogant or "nose in the air", as if I'm better or smarter or any nonsense like that. I am just sharing what the Lord has opened my eyes to in love because we are called to do that, and I fully recognize you are doing the same thing, and praise God we can come together to discuss these things.
I was taught the PTR in all the churches I ever went to. I'm down in the Florida Panhandle, PTR is what is taught everywhere, strait up. Everybody is waiting to get called up, and just watching the world go to hell in a hand basket, powerless. To be honest I think it tents to product the kind of "hide and watch" approach, wasn't very effective nor did it have much power in my experience. But when God opened my eye's to the fact that He really does have ALL victory right now, and is seated on His throne right now, I'm not proclaiming some Kings word that "reigns right now, well not really now, but one day". To me this makes less sense than the fact that Jesus is reigning
right now until all enemies are made a footstool for His feet. His power is great brother, and that is what I proclaim, the power and victory of Jesus, the hope of the world. The righteous shall inherit the earth, not the wicked first. Right?
Let's take this popular PTR scripture for example:
Matt 24: 36-44
36“But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son,but the Father only.
37For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
38For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark,
39and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
40Then two men will be in the field; one will be taken and one left.
41Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one left.
42Therefore, stay awake, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming.
43But know this, that if the master of the house had known in what part of the night the thief was coming, he would have stayed awake and would not have let his house be broken into.
44Therefore you also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.
See here you'd say (an assumption here, but most holding to the PTR say) that the ones taken were the ones Jesus calls up, but that's wrong, by the very example it's giving in 36-38 by Noah, in the flood who was taken off the earth and who stayed? It was the wicked taken and the righteous who was "left behind", and there is nothing in the verse to suggest otherwise, besides preconceived beliefs. Again I am doing exactly what I said I wouldn't, but guess it's impossible to discuss truth without going to them. Anyway I hope you have a great day brother.