The Trinity...my take.

[Rondonmon]

Here is how I define the Trinity.

The Father is a Spirit without flesh inhabiting eternity (John 4:23-24, Isaiah 57:15).

The Son is the same Spirit come in flesh (John 4:24, Ephesians 4:4, 1 John 4:1-3, 2 John 1:7).

The Holy Ghost is the same Spirit as He is released from the physical body of the Son at His crucifixion (Luke 23:46).

(For God is one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4, John 4:24).)

The Holy Ghost being distinct from the Father in that He has lived the human life of Christ and therefore has an experiential understanding of humanity.

The Son being distinct from the Father and the Holy Ghost in that He is come in flesh (while the Father and the Holy Ghost also dwell in the Person of the Son, Colossians 2:9).

I believe that the Son was begotten in the incarnation (Luke 1:35); which does not make it impossible that He is pre-existent.

For He ascended to fill all things (Ephesians 4:10); even to exist outside of time.

For in the Bible codes of Genesis 1 it can be determined that there are ten dimensions in reality. The risen and ascended Son fills all ten. So, He is far above the fourth dimension; which is time. Therefore Jesus exists outside of time.

And because He exists outside of time, His existence extends into eternity past.

Thus, the Father created the worlds through Jesus Christ; since Christ existed in the beginning;

While the beginning of His life (as the Son in flesh) happened at the juncture of Luke 1:35.

Some have tried to define this theology as not being the Trinity by giving it the label of "Coexistent Modalism".

I think that such is a slander on the doctrine.

I developed this doctrine as an emphasis on the Oneness of God in the Trinity, as a response to mormon theology; which has also infiltrated the minds of some who call themselves Trinitarians; that there are three beings who are God;

i.e. that the Father IS NOT the Son IS NOT the Holy Ghost.

I would declare that they are the same Spirit (John 4:24, Ephesians 4:4) and therefore, also, in a specific sense, the same Person.

While they are also three distinct Persons according to the beginning statements of this post.

Your thinking is all wrong, Jesus used parables and examples in order to more easily explain hard to understand facts and things unto his disciples. I can do this with the Trinity.

Instead of trying to understand this via God the Father, God the Redeemer and God the Helpmate, lets look at in via a demonstration. Lets use a Three Trillion Gallon Reservoir of water.

In that reservoir, every ounce of that water is EXACTLY ALIKE, the Chemical/PHD makeup is the same throughout, not one ounce is different from another. Well, God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are just like this, the ESSENCE of God is that they are the same, they ate Holy, Honest, Loving, Caring, Peaceful, Longsuffering, Forgiving, Merciful, Joyous etc. etc. etc. Thus they are all ONE IN SPIRIT or in likeness.

Now, lets look at the water from the reservoir, lets say we take 100 gallons (Jesus) of that water and pour it over our heads, we will indeed be soaked, but we will be A-OK no doubt. Again, lets take another 100 gallons (Holy Spirit) of that water and pour it over our heads, again, we will be soaking wet, but it will not kill us, of course. Lastly, lets take the whole Three (3) Trillion Gallons (God the Father) water and pour that over our heads, we will surly die !! You see God the Father has the ABUNDANCE of the Glory, that is why no man can look upon Him and live, the 70 who looked into the Ark of the Covenant all died !! Moses saw God's hinder parts and glowed/shone bright. Men lived and walked with Jesus, we have the Holy Spirit living in us, but if God was in anyone's heart in full we would not survive that happening. Go is so holy that Jesus had to tell Mary in John 20 when she saw him arise from the grave, "Touch me not, for I have not yet ascended unto the Father" [to offer the Sacrifice]. In other words Mary merely touching Jesus with her sin stained hands would have defiled the Sacrifice. God the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one in the same in Essence/likeness but the Father has the Abundance of the Glory.

 

[heartwashed]

Your thinking is all wrong, Jesus used parables and examples in order to more easily explain hard to understand facts and things unto his disciples. I can do this with the Trinity.

Instead of trying to understand this via God the Father, God the Redeemer and God the Helpmate, lets look at in via a demonstration. Lets use a Three Trillion Gallon Reservoir of water.

In that reservoir, every ounce of that water is EXACTLY ALIKE, the Chemical/PHD makeup is the same throughout, not one ounce is different from another. Well, God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are just like this, the ESSENCE of God is that they are the same, they ate Holy, Honest, Loving, Caring, Peaceful, Longsuffering, Forgiving, Merciful, Joyous etc. etc. etc. Thus they are all ONE IN SPIRIT or in likeness.

Now, lets look at the water from the reservoir, lets say we take 100 gallons (Jesus) of that water and pour it over our heads, we will indeed be soaked, but we will be A-OK no doubt. Again, lets take another 100 gallons (Holy Spirit) of that water and pour it over our heads, again, we will be soaking wet, but it will not kill us, of course. Lastly, lets take the whole Three (3) Trillion Gallons (God the Father) water and pour that over our heads, we will surly die !! You see God the Father has the ABUNDANCE of the Glory, that is why no man can look upon Him and live, the 70 who looked into the Ark of the Covenant all died !! Moses saw God's hinder parts and glowed/shone bright. Men lived and walked with Jesus, we have the Holy Spirit living in us, but if God was in anyone's heart in full we would not survive that happening. Go is so holy that Jesus had to tell Mary in John 20 when she saw him arise from the grave, "Touch me not, for I have not yet ascended unto the Father" [to offer the Sacrifice]. In other words Mary merely touching Jesus with her sin stained hands would have defiled the Sacrifice. God the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one in the same in Essence/likeness but the Father has the Abundance of the Glory.

You are purporting that Jesus and the Holy Ghost are less than God the Father.

However, as concerning the Deity of Jesus, Jesus and the Father are equal (John 5:18).

And the Holy Spirit most certainly is God (Acts 5:3-4).

Not just a portion of God.

 

[Rondonmon]

You are purporting that Jesus and the Holy Ghost are less than God the Father.

No, they are the same, God has the ABUNDANCE of the Glory. That should be self evident, God in full, living in your heart would blow you up man. Why do you think Jesus said "My God, my God, why have you forsaken (left) me?" Because God can not abide sin, his Glory would destroy it, thus when Jesus was on the cross, bearing all of our sins, God had top leave him all alone on the cross, else that mountain would have been consumed.

How is it you do not understand the Father has the Abundance of the Glory?

 

[tourist]

Your thinking is all wrong, Jesus used parables and examples in order to more easily explain hard to understand facts and things unto his disciples. I can do this with the Trinity.

Instead of trying to understand this via God the Father, God the Redeemer and God the Helpmate, lets look at in via a demonstration. Lets use a Three Trillion Gallon Reservoir of water.

In that reservoir, every ounce of that water is EXACTLY ALIKE, the Chemical/PHD makeup is the same throughout, not one ounce is different from another. Well, God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are just like this, the ESSENCE of God is that they are the same, they ate Holy, Honest, Loving, Caring, Peaceful, Longsuffering, Forgiving, Merciful, Joyous etc. etc. etc. Thus they are all ONE IN SPIRIT or in likeness.

Now, lets look at the water from the reservoir, lets say we take 100 gallons (Jesus) of that water and pour it over our heads, we will indeed be soaked, but we will be A-OK no doubt. Again, lets take another 100 gallons (Holy Spirit) of that water and pour it over our heads, again, we will be soaking wet, but it will not kill us, of course. Lastly, lets take the whole Three (3) Trillion Gallons (God the Father) water and pour that over our heads, we will surly die !! You see God the Father has the ABUNDANCE of the Glory, that is why no man can look upon Him and live, the 70 who looked into the Ark of the Covenant all died !! Moses saw God's hinder parts and glowed/shone bright. Men lived and walked with Jesus, we have the Holy Spirit living in us, but if God was in anyone's heart in full we would not survive that happening. Go is so holy that Jesus had to tell Mary in John 20 when she saw him arise from the grave, "Touch me not, for I have not yet ascended unto the Father" [to offer the Sacrifice]. In other words Mary merely touching Jesus with her sin stained hands would have defiled the Sacrifice. God the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one in the same in Essence/likeness but the Father has the Abundance of the Glory.

Interesting perspective.

 

[GaryA]

But if they are separate rather than distinct in your view, then you have a problem with the creeds.

For in the creeds, it is written that "We are forbidden by Catholic doctrine to say that there are three Lords."

Let me tell you something - and, you would be very wise to listen - the "creeds" is where the problem is - and, you would do well to get completely away from the "creeds" and stick to the Bible.

 

[GaryA]

I think I am done here now...