The Trinity

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There are only three Revelations of God to man.

1. General Revelation: we know God is by what He created.
2. Special Revelation HIS word Genesis to Revelation
3. Ilumnation by the relationship we have Through The Lord Jesus Christ and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit that Bares witness that we are HIS.

We know from the Word of God He has Attributes:


Omnipotent
Omnipresent
Omniscient
Immutable
Impartial
Incomprehensible
Infinite
Righteous
Self-existent
Self-sufficient
Sovereign
Holy
Loving
Merciful
Forgiving


  • Genesis 1:26-27. ...
  • John 4:24. ...
  • John 1:1-4. ...
  • John 14:6-11. ...
  • John 1:18. ...
  • John 17:3. ...
  • 1 John 3:1-2. ...
  • John 17:20-24.
Yes. Thank you so much.

Genesis 1:26-27 NASB20 - Then God said, "Let Us make mankind in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the livestock and over all the earth, and over every crawling thing that crawls on the earth." So God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

John 4:24 NASB20 - "God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."

John 1:1-4 NASB20 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being. In Him was life, and the life was the Light of mankind.

John 14:6-11 NASB20 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through Me. "If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him." Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us." Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you for so long a time, and [yet] you have not come to know Me, Philip? The one who has seen Me has seen the Father; how [can] you say, 'Show us the Father'? "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own, but the Father, as He remains in Me, does His works. "Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me; otherwise believe because of the works themselves.

John 1:18 NASB20 - No one has seen God at any time; God the only [Son,] who is in the arms of the Father, He has explained [Him.]

John 17:3 NASB20 - "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

1 John 3:1-2 NASB20 - See how great a love the Father has given us, that we would be called children of God; and [in fact] we are. For this reason the world does not know us: because it did not know Him. Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be. We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is.

John 17:20-24 NASB20 - "I am not asking on behalf of these alone, but also for those who believe in Me through their word, that they may all be one; just as You, Father, [are] in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me. "The glory which You have given Me I also have given to them, so that they may be one, just as We are one; I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me, and You loved them, just as You loved Me. "Father, I desire that they also, whom You have given Me, be with Me where I am, so that they may see My glory which You have given Me, for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.
 
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This is correct as long as one does not think these are 3 Gods. If that is confusing wording then this might be better:

There is God: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Think of the Trinity/God like the bride of Christ. There is one bride of Christ, yet a large number of men and women form this one bride. Each individual will spiritually wed Christ but that doesn't equal there being a large number of brides in the grander picture where it's just one groom and one bride.

Three forming a single God and and a large number of Christians forming a single bride. There isn't multiple Gods anymore than there are multiple brides.
The only thing I would say is that Jesus said, "I am the Son of God.".
 
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YOU have a nature and attributes. Are you who you say you are? Or do your actions speak of what you are?


God is Divine Because he is Spirit unless you deny that. God has a personality we see in the word of God and He has attributes as the word of God says.

God is not a man that HE should lie.
God is Holy; there is no other
God is all-knowing
God is all presence
God is unchanging
God speaks
God heals
God is a Jealous God

Those are all attributes of the Living God that speak of HIS Nature.
I agree with you. And, you are more of an expert in this (field) than I am.
 

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God is like the heavenly government. Think of it like a Godverment.

The Father is part of the Godverment.

The Son is part of the Godverment.

The Holy Spirit is part of the Godverment.

There isn't 3 Godverments. It's still a single Godverment. Instead of our 3 branches, Judicial, Presidential and Congressional it's Father-ial, Son-ial and Spirit-ial :)
 
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God is like the heavenly government. Think of it like a Godverment.

The Father is part of the Godverment.

The Son is part of the Godverment.

The Holy Spirit is part of the Godverment.

There isn't 3 Godverments. It's still a single Godverment. Instead of our 3 branches, Judicial, Presidential and Congressional it's Father-ial, Son-ial and Spirit-ial :)
Maybe. But I would say that God's Son is not God but is His Son.
 

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The only thing I would say is that Jesus said, "I am the Son of God.".

Which means , "I am the son of God the Father." Many times the bible and people in it will speak of God the Father but shorten it down to just "God".

Jesus is not saying he isn't God, just that he is not God the Father.
 
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Which means , "I am the son of God the Father." Many times the bible and people in it will speak of God the Father but shorten it down to just "God".

Jesus is not saying he isn't God, just that he is not God the Father.
But does the Bible ever say God the Son or God the Father even? Or God the Holy Spirit? I think not.
 
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But the son of a Jew is a Jew. Naturally the only begotten son of God (the Father) is God as well.
The Son of the Father is still the Son of the Father and not the Son is the Father or becomes a Father by virtue of being a Son. He would need to have His own children to be a Father, and we know that that or this rather has not or neither happened nor occurred.
 

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But does the Bible ever say God the Son or God the Father even? Or God the Holy Spirit? I think not.
The bible refers to each of them as God:


The Father is God

2Pe_1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

The Son is God

Psa 78:35 And they remembered that God was their rock, and the high God their redeemer.

1Co 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1Co 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Jesus is God because the OT says Israel's Rock was God and Christ was that same Rock.


Holy Spirit is God

Act 5:1 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,
Act 5:2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.
Act 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
Act 5:4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

Here lying to the Holy Spirit is called lying to God.


To believe in the Trinity is to believe these three things are true, that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are each God in their own right and work together as One.
 
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The bible refers to each of them as God:


The Father is God

2Pe_1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

The Son is God

Psa 78:35 And they remembered that God was their rock, and the high God their redeemer.

1Co 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1Co 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Jesus is God because the OT says Israel's Rock was God and Christ was that same Rock.


Holy Spirit is God

Act 5:1 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,
Act 5:2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.
Act 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
Act 5:4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

Here lying to the Holy Spirit is called lying to God.


To believe in the Trinity is to believe these three things are true, that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are each God in their own right and work together as One.
I don't disagree that they work together, but I disagree with your conclusion or statement with supporting evidence, that The Son is God. This is because the evidence does not suffice.
 
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Can you show me were HE denied HE was God?
That was not something He was forced to do. Remember, as the Son, though He was murdered, He offered Himself up freely to death, and that He would be raised from the dead to the glory of God the Father.

Matthew 27:43 NASB20 - "HE HAS TRUSTED IN GOD; LET GOD RESCUE [Him] now, IF HE TAKES PLEASURE IN HIM; for He said, 'I am the Son of God.'"

John 10:36 NASB20 - are you saying of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I said, 'I am the Son of God'?
 

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Maybe. But I would say that God's Son is not God but is His Son.
Do you have a son?


If not I do and many others do also
My son is not me be he is the same as me. My Son knows me and has all of my attributes. Yet he has his own personality, which makes Him unique. Many who see him and Know me say HE is just like his Father.

All my authority and all I have is HIS. He is my Sn, but He comes from me therefore, HE IS me.

Jesus came from HIS Father who is God therefore Jesus is God.
 
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Do you have a son?
No. But if I had a Son, he would not be me. Even if he bore a resemblance to me.
If not I do and many others do also
My son is not me be he is the same as me. My Son knows me and has all of my attributes. Yet he has his own personality, which makes Him unique. Many who see him and Know me say HE is just like his Father.

All my authority and all I have is HIS. He is my Sn, but He comes from me therefore, HE IS me.

Jesus came from HIS Father who is God therefore Jesus is God.
You said Jesus came from the Father, but that does not make Him the Father. Just how Jesus coming from God does not make Him God.
 

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That was not something He was forced to do. Remember, as the Son, though He was murdered, He offered Himself up freely to death, and that He would be raised from the dead to the glory of God the Father.

Matthew 27:43 NASB20 - "HE HAS TRUSTED IN GOD; LET GOD RESCUE [Him] now, IF HE TAKES PLEASURE IN HIM; for He said, 'I am the Son of God.'"

John 10:36 NASB20 - are you saying of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I said, 'I am the Son of God'?

Jesus was never forced to do anything against HIS will. Jesu was not Murdered. He laid down his life and allowed Himself to be taken.

Jesus said, "Whom do you seek?"

They said Jesus of Nazareth Jesus said, " I AM HE." The Power of God hit them, and they fell to the ground.

John 10:18


No one can take my life from me. I sacrifice it voluntarily. For I have the authority to lay it down when I want to and also to take it up again. For this is what my Father has commanded.”
 
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Jesus was never forced to do anything against HIS will. Jesu was not Murdered. He laid down his life and allowed Himself to be taken.

Jesus said, "Whom do you seek?"

They said Jesus of Nazareth Jesus said, " I AM HE." The Power of God hit them, and they fell to the ground.

John 10:18


No one can take my life from me. I sacrifice it voluntarily. For I have the authority to lay it down when I want to and also to take it up again. For this is what my Father has commanded.”
Acts 7:52 NASB95 - "Which one of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? They killed those who had previously announced the coming of the Righteous One, whose betrayers and murderers you have now become;

Acts 7:52 NASB20 - "Which one of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? They killed those who had previously announced the coming of the Righteous One, and you have now become betrayers and murderers of Him;
 

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No. But if I had a Son, he would not be me. Even if he bore a resemblance to me.

You said Jesus came from the Father, but that does not make Him the Father. Just how Jesus coming from God does not make Him God.
Jesus and HIS Father are ONE. I Don't know what to tell you if you don't understand that. "If you have seen me, you have seen the Father" FYI, The Father is GOD. Therefore, Jesus is saying I AM GOD.


YOU don't get to go to the Father, who is God, if you don't come by way of the Son, who is GOD.

Jesus said those who try that are robbers and thieves.

And you can RED X all you want, LOL. That is truth and the word of God.