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there is more. 3 other documents providing more proof of Gospel of Matthew being written originally in Hebrew and then struggled to translate to Greek. another document confirming Mark writing for Peter in Gospel of Mark.
Sounds great. I have no evidence. But I don't know what I am looking for.
 
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Sounds great. I have no evidence. But I don't know what I am looking for.
i read like hundreds of quick articles before finding my own search. i just stumbled onto it going through the list of Church Fathers and why they are known as such and what did they do, who they know, and what they write about? and then you have evidence for many topics.
 
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i read like hundreds of quick articles before finding my own search. i just stumbled onto it going through the list of Church Fathers and why they are known as such and what did they do, who they know, and what they write about. and then you have evidence for many topics.
I don't accept everything from the church fathers, but I can't remember it. However, I understand that even if there is a difference, there may be things you can glean.
 

JaumeJ

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You are greatly mistaken. I did look up the verse, which may be different from the Hebrew text.

Isaiah 9:6 NASB20 - For a Child will be born to us, a Son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

God is the Father, Jesus is the Son.
Having eyes............
 

JaumeJ

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Once more, God did not give a lie to Isaiah, and it is a mystery to be understood and belived on faith, for we beliee in things unseen by faith.

Why is Jesus gifted with all the titles of God? You havae not understood the text, but it seems you will answer to anything as you please, not as we are taught by God.
 
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Once more, God did not give a lie to Isaiah, and it is a mystery to be understood and belived on faith, for we beliee in things unseen by faith.

Why is Jesus gifted with all the titles of God? You havae not understood the text, but it seems you will answer to anything as you please, not as we are taught by God.
I never said God gave a lie to Isaiah for what I believe to be the first time in recent recollection.
 

Mem

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That is okay. You can still learn from Colossians 2:9 NASB.
I already learned, and believe, that all the fullness of deity dwells in bodily form in Christ.

And John 1:16 says, "From His fullness we have all received grace upon grace."
And Ephesians 3:19 says, "...that you may be filled with all the fullness of God."

There's nothing about me having the fullness of deity anywhere though, but, " so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. Then you, being rooted and grounded in love, (Eph 3:17) will have power, together with all the saints, to comprehend the length and width and height and depth (Eph 3:18) of the love of Christ, and to know this love that surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with the fullness of God (Eph 3:19)."

The fullness of deity dwells in the Father in what form? And in what form does the fullness of deity dwell in the Holy Spirit?
 

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i think the english/kings army during the Crusades forced people to speak it and it's been common sense then. it's probably easier to speak than some native Languages to others,
The crusaders were speaking Latin and/or Greek. this was ~ 1000-1200's

English, Spanish, Portuguese and French spread hundreds of years later when these countries were colonizing all over the world, around 1500-1700's
 

posthuman

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no, i said, a man named Jerome, copied it when he was given all scrolls to create the Latin Vulgate Bible. and one of these Scrolls was Gospel of Matthew written in Hebrew. for his own notes, Jerome, copied it. so, Jerome's copy of the original Gospel of Matthew written in Hebrew, it's been secured and saved in perfect ink on parchment since 340 AD.
Jerome AFAIK said there was a copy of a Hebrew gospel in the library of Caesaria, that the Nazarenes used, and he seems to have quoted from it sometimes, because he wrote a few things that aren't in Matthew Mark Luke or John. so the Hebrew gospel Jerome had access to isn't necessarily 'an original Matthew' - he didn't call it that. he called it the gospel of the Hebrews.

and AFAIK there's no copy of whatever he was referring to. there are some fragments of what seems to be a gospel narrative in Hebrew.
 

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Not Greek. But Hebrew and Spanish. I know the Greek words for God and word. Theos and logos.
great! thank you! the Greek words you gave are the ones we combine in English for the word theology... words about God, in a sense.

since you're familiar with Spanish, and i am, too, let's use a Spanish example. in a Spanish Bible, Jn 1:18 may begin
A Dios nadie no ha visto nunca

or, translation dependent

Nadie ha visto jamás a Dios

my point is, often when translating from one language to another, word order changes. grammar and syntax rules change.
i appreciate you reading this, and i also appreciate your courtesy in this thread. :)