The True Pronunciation of YHVH and the Name of Christ

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notuptome

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What a stupid remark, do you really think you have direct access to the Father without Christ? Yet he is in the presence of the Father in heaven mediating for us, and even died so that you can one day call God "Father"? What audacity for you to think that you, a sinner who deserves to die according to the Torah of God, like all of us on earth, have any access whatsoever to the Father without Christ. You have no understanding of God, which is why you treat his set-apart name as if it were something ordinary, calling it "superstitious nonsense".
Do you not know the veil is rent in twain? Why are you separated from God?

Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

I know the person of God I do not fear God who loved me and sent His Son to die in my place.

1Jo 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

Love draws us near. Love does not create a divide between us and God.

For the cause of Christ
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Deade

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Do you not know the veil is rent in twain? Why are you separated from God?

Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

I know the person of God I do not fear God who loved me and sent His Son to die in my place.

1Jo 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

Love draws us near. Love does not create a divide between us and God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
I made that line you wrote in red to draw attention to it. Perhaps you and alchristfollower should both read it over and contemplate its meaning. You started the name calling with your superstitious statement and he finally got on the band-wagon by calling you an unbeliever.

Once you start slinging names around, you have lost all your credibility to persuade another. We won't always agree on what a certain scripture says, but we can present our case in a civil manner. Christ even commands we love one another (my signature line). I just want to leave you with this descriptive verse:

1 Cor. 13:4-8a "Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never ends."


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garee

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It would seem anyone pretending to say he knows the "name" of god and not simply one of His many true titles is self-deceived.

No one knows God's name in this age. Come the kingdom He is going to return a pure tongue to all so we may call upon Him with one name, that name He furnishes when it is His time.

That prophecy is in Zephaniah. Why do you strain yourself to insult others who believe God?

Yes, God does not have a name as we do today needed to tell one person apart from another .All of the names that are named are immutable attributes .His name is Jealous because he is a Jealous God. Having created all things he alone owns all things. God is love His love is not jealous. Names in the bible of people he named to give meaning to the use of people.
 

Karraster

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Hi, welcome to CC and thanks for the topic. It's true, our Creator never commanded us to hide His name, quite the contrary, He wants His glorious name to be known!

Exodus 9:16
John 17:6
Psalm 83:18
 
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But guess what? How many people have been saved under the name of Jesus? How many have been healed in the name of Jesus? How many prayers have been answered in the name of Jesus? The list goes on, understand that a name can be said a thousand ways in different tongues and yet point to the same person. It is the person to whom we are referring that takes preeminence. Jesus is Lord.
But guess what? How many people have been saved under the name of Jesus? How many have been healed in the name of Jesus? How many prayers have been answered in the name of Jesus? The list goes on, understand that a name can be said a thousand ways in different tongues and yet point to the same person. It is the person to whom we are referring that takes preeminence. Jesus is Lord.
How many saved under the name of Jesus? Can we deduct from that sum all those sexually abused by the church? Oh, I know, that wasn’t Our Lord at work, it was Satan. Biblical appologetics has no limits.
 

Dino246

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How many saved under the name of Jesus? Can we deduct from that sum all those sexually abused by the church? Oh, I know, that wasn’t Our Lord at work, it was Satan. Biblical appologetics has no limits.
What's your point? You seem to be having a bit of a rant here.
 
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What's your point? You seem to be having a bit of a rant here.
I haven’t begun to rant. When I do you’ll know. Anyhow, I’ll try and simplify my previous post as it may not have been obvious I was trying to draw attention to potentially ambiguous notions of ‘In the name of Jesus’. Assuming we knew without any doubt exactly what Jesus wanted us to do in every situation we might be able to say with certainty which actions were taken in his name and which not. My claim is many immoral acts are committed in the ‘Name of Jesus’. Why and how this can be requires a long, detailed examination of the distortions, mistranslations, ommissions and downright forgeries that make up the New Testament.
 

notuptome

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I made that line you wrote in red to draw attention to it. Perhaps you and alchristfollower should both read it over and contemplate its meaning. You started the name calling with your superstitious statement and he finally got on the band-wagon by calling you an unbeliever.

Once you start slinging names around, you have lost all your credibility to persuade another. We won't always agree on what a certain scripture says, but we can present our case in a civil manner. Christ even commands we love one another (my signature line). I just want to leave you with this descriptive verse:

1 Cor. 13:4-8a "Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never ends."


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I did not call anyone superstitious. I addressed a behavior not a person. The reaction by many to the truth is testimony to the truth of the statement. they tell on themselves.

Reverence the name of God but do not idolize the name of God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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I did not call anyone superstitious. I addressed a behavior not a person. The reaction by many to the truth is testimony to the truth of the statement. they tell on themselves.

Reverence the name of God but do not idolize the name of God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Do not idolize the name of God? It it the name of God we worship,

that at the name of Yeshua every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, (Philippians 2:10 [NIV])

Clearly you have ZERO understanding of scripture and the importance of the name of God, through which man worships God. According to the Torah of God, you deserve to die for treating his set-apart name as ordinary,

and the Israelite woman’s son blasphemed the Name with a curse. Then they brought him to Moses. His mother’s name was Shelomith, the daughter of Dibri, of the tribe of Dan. And they put him in custody, till the will of Yehovah should be clear to them. Then Yehovah spoke to Moses, saying, “Bring out of the camp the one who cursed, and let all who heard him lay their hands on his head, and let all the congregation stone him. And speak to the people of Israel, saying, Whoever curses his God shall bear his sin. Anyone who blasphemes the Name of Yehovah must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any native-born Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the Name of Yehovah must be put to death. (Leviticus 24:11-16 [MODIFIED-ESV])

Stop being foolish and understand the importance of the name of Yeshua, which we are not only commanded to revere, but also to bow down to. This is the will of God, because Christ died for us, making his name worthy of this type of reverence and worship,

And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death– even death on a cross! Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, (Philippians 2:8-9 [NIV])
 
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Clearly you have ZERO understanding of scripture and the importance of the name of God, through which man worships God. According to the Torah of God, you deserve to die for treating his set-apart name as ordinary,
Any assertion scripture is unambiguous with only a single possible interpretation demonstrates no more than an unjustifiable literalist vanity. Asserting anyone deserves to die for ‘treating his set-apart name as ordinary’ is beyond vanity, it is to assume the role of the Almighty yourself. Isaiah Ch5:V 21 comes to mind.
 

garee

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Clearly you have ZERO understanding of scripture and the importance of the name of God, through which man worships God. According to the Torah of God, you deserve to die for treating his set-apart name as ordinary,


We do not know God after the oral traditons of men called the Torah of God .

Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect "through your tradition", which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye

The secret or hidden things of God are hidden in parables also called the hidden Mana.
 
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Any assertion scripture is unambiguous with only a single possible interpretation demonstrates no more than an unjustifiable literalist vanity. Asserting anyone deserves to die for ‘treating his set-apart name as ordinary’ is beyond vanity, it is to assume the role of the Almighty yourself. Isaiah Ch5:V 21 comes to mind.
Did the command to not blaspheme the name of God come from me or from God? Did the requirement of death for those blaspheming his name come from me or from God? I am quoting scripture here, these are not my own words, these are the words of God, which you are dismissing as mere heresay as if I came up with them. Know and understand that the name of God must be revered and worshiped, because it has been set apart by God from all other ordinary names. It is precisely why the name is called "set-apart", where treating anything set-apart to God as ordinary is worthy of death according to the Torah of God. It is through the name of Yeshua that we worship the Father. The name is of utmost importance.
 

Dino246

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I haven’t begun to rant. When I do you’ll know. Anyhow, I’ll try and simplify my previous post as it may not have been obvious I was trying to draw attention to potentially ambiguous notions of ‘In the name of Jesus’. Assuming we knew without any doubt exactly what Jesus wanted us to do in every situation we might be able to say with certainty which actions were taken in his name and which not. My claim is many immoral acts are committed in the ‘Name of Jesus’. Why and how this can be requires a long, detailed examination of the distortions, mistranslations, ommissions and downright forgeries that make up the New Testament.
Thanks for explaining. I can see you're going to have many people disagreeing with you, but I suspect that's nothing new.
 

notuptome

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Do not idolize the name of God? It it the name of God we worship,

that at the name of Yeshua every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, (Philippians 2:10 [NIV])

Clearly you have ZERO understanding of scripture and the importance of the name of God, through which man worships God. According to the Torah of God, you deserve to die for treating his set-apart name as ordinary,

and the Israelite woman’s son blasphemed the Name with a curse. Then they brought him to Moses. His mother’s name was Shelomith, the daughter of Dibri, of the tribe of Dan. And they put him in custody, till the will of Yehovah should be clear to them. Then Yehovah spoke to Moses, saying, “Bring out of the camp the one who cursed, and let all who heard him lay their hands on his head, and let all the congregation stone him. And speak to the people of Israel, saying, Whoever curses his God shall bear his sin. Anyone who blasphemes the Name of Yehovah must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any native-born Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the Name of Yehovah must be put to death. (Leviticus 24:11-16 [MODIFIED-ESV])

Stop being foolish and understand the importance of the name of Yeshua, which we are not only commanded to revere, but also to bow down to. This is the will of God, because Christ died for us, making his name worthy of this type of reverence and worship,

And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death– even death on a cross! Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, (Philippians 2:8-9 [NIV])
Oops you are telling on yourself.

Ro 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

Php 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

The apostles never exhibited the type of behavior you espouse.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

Deade

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Clearly you have ZERO understanding of scripture and the importance of the name of God, through which man worships God. According to the Torah of God, you deserve to die for treating his set-apart name as ordinary,
Any assertion scripture is unambiguous with only a single possible interpretation demonstrates no more than an unjustifiable literalist vanity. Asserting anyone deserves to die for ‘treating his set-apart name as ordinary’ is beyond vanity, it is to assume the role of the Almighty yourself. Isaiah Ch5:V 21 comes to mind.
Why are you misquoting posts? JaumeJ never posted what you you claim. That statement is from alchristfollower in post #29. Are you doing this out of ignorance? Are you trying to stir up trouble?

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JaumeJ

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Why are you misquoting posts? JaumeJ never posted what you you claim. That statement is from alchristfollower in post #29. Are you doing this out of ignorance? Are you trying to stir up trouble?

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I see my name but nothing I have posted.......sorry. All blessings in Our Savior...
 

JaumeJ

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Any assertion scripture is unambiguous with only a single possible interpretation demonstrates no more than an unjustifiable literalist vanity. Asserting anyone deserves to die for ‘treating his set-apart name as ordinary’ is beyond vanity, it is to assume the role of the Almighty yourself. Isaiah Ch5:V 21 comes to mind.
 

JaumeJ

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I clidked on the referal back icon an that is not my post.......someone has used it somehow with the text altered. I did not post anything close to what thaqt nasty post says. God bless you and all.