THE TRUTH ABOUT TATTOOS

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Pilgrimshope

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PilgrimsHope, don't be upset.
I suggest you visit this thread
https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/tattoos-and-demon-possession.199350/

Then you will know the truth!

Im only trying to help! :):)
Lol I’m. Ot upset I just offered you the lords word is all that’s not done of anger

I’ve actually decided this isn’t a conversation I have much else to say anything about you and I both need to first look at the plank which is seen in the gospel when toyngo
Back and actually compare your own self to
His word because this is the only reason I have went this far with you , this is true

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that day of judgement is going to be according to the words of Jesus not Moses like those words you quickly rejected and avoided you know from his sermon ?

our judgement is according to the gospel the judgements about mercy , truth , spirit , love righteousness ect

“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48-50‬ ‭

Christs judgement is what we have to answer for and he never once mentioned tatoos you are looking for accusations in Moses law

“Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:45-47‬ ‭KJV‬‬

when you look into those carnal
Thkngs it makes you blind to the truth that Jesus preached

“But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same veil untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which veil is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the veil is upon their heart.

Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the veil shall be taken away. Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:14-17‬ ‭

you have to answer to Jesus and his words nothing Moses said is going to judge us
 

de-emerald

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News flash

It has been brought to our attention That charisharoon has been corrupted by reading a book that preaches sinless perfection in diguise. The book its self does not say it preaches sinless perfection, but if you read between the lines it makes a clear reference that it is.

The book was brought to our attention by our friend in christ postman hunter.
I also recieved a prayer last week from the holy spirit telling me he has been corrupted by sinless perfection. Its very important that we all pray for him.
Its aslo important that the only responce to now give him is to encourage him to pray
for what ever his next issue is, as all we will be doing if we dont is adding more fuel to his fire.
Once a person has been corrupted this way it is important we realise it is not his fault so please do encourage him to pray on every oppertunity.

Here is the book
((from the first book))


Why is it that so many people struggle very hard to obey God, but cannot? Every morning they say, ‘Now, to-day, I will not lose my temper; to-day I will not tell lies; to-day I will not take a bribe’; yet after two or three hours, again they lose their tempers. Even though they pray and read their Bibles, yet they fail. Why is that? Because they fail to appropriate the Blood for cleansing to begin with, and then to lay hold of Christ as their life. They are trying to do the things of God with their own human energy. That is why they fail. Do you want to overcome in every temptation? Then come under the Blood by faith, every day, every morning. The Blood speaks of two things—cleansing and life. When you confess your sins, you are washed by the Blood from every defilement and the life of Christ in you will be manifested in your daily walk and actions. The Israelites had to come under the Blood to be able to obey what God commanded.


There is sinless perfection teaching going on in the book above


Responce from our friend postman hunter

it's subtle, and it's in the middle of other things, but it's there.
'why are you unable to overcome every temptation and be sinless? because you aren't under the blood. you've got to really concentrate every morning and then you will be sinless and perfect. if your flesh isn't without sin, then you're not really saved, because you're not praying the magical 'under the blood' prayer hard enough and often enough -- you don't really have faith, or you would never stumble. **real** Christians are sinless under the blood, why aren't you?'
((my paraphrase))

Thankyou for your work in spotting this postman hunter.

I would advice you all to stay away from this book


 
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Why are you so upset? If you read my new thread, 'Tattoos and Demon Possession', your eyes will be opened.

Hungry, you must be hungry for the truth! I am here to help you 'walk in truth'! :):)
I’m not upset in the least. There is normally logic to what is written in the Bible. Just like today, I’m sure people of old, marked their bodies with symbols and images that held representation. What you advocated or promoted was conveyed with what you advertise on your body. The word “dead” in Leviticus 19:28 translates to breathing things or things that are alive, like animals and such. It’s not the first time He mentions this. He technically said don’t make graven images, so if you have statues or necklace charms of animals, you are breaking His commandments. Generally these are outward expressions of things we have affinity for, and identify with. They were equivalent to totems or their “spirit animals”. We are made in the image of God, and identifying with lesser beasts is an affront. Also to go so far as to scar that image onto your vessel is an insult to the Most High. We as Christians should not identify with the “dead” animals. How could a follower of Yahweh get a tattoo of the invisible God, whose name was too holy to repeat in vain let alone etch it on your dying body. Instead their “tattoo” was a circumcised penis. Paul rebuked the enforcers of circumcision to the Greeks because it was putting new wine in old wine skins. Regardless, we are not under that Law. God is no longer invisible. It’s not what we engrave upon our skin but upon our hearts. That being said, what we choose to engrave on our skin is an expression of our hearts so we should be wise when deciding whether to get a tattoo.
 

CherieR

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Artistic? To mutilate your own skin?
Have you ever opened the Bible and read what it says about tattoos and defiling your body?

May God grant you enlightenment!
I have read from Leviticus and I don’t consider all modern tattoos as wrong. The culture back in the day may have involved what pagan nations did. If your conscience bothers you about it then it is wrong for you.
 

CherieR

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What do you think of lipstick for women? Or about pierced ears? Or women wearing pants?
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I see nothing wrong with any of this. I generally don’t care for lipstick for myself. What are your thoughts on this?
 
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This is my view about tattoos. There is no such thing as Christian tattoos. The Bible declares that all tattoos are of the devil!

This is what I wrote 10 years ago, and I still stand by it! So please read! (May God enlighten your eyes!)

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"The present article is more comprehensive, and should enlighten the open-minded reader about the ‘dark truths’ behind tattoos.

Historical Aspect

'History shows that tattoos have always been associated with paganism, shamanism, heathen (Baal worship), occult mysticism and demonism. The tattoo has never been associated with Christians, until the present decadent religious times. Wherever the Christian faith made its entrance, the tattoo made its exit.

'Tattoos where associated with shamans or magic-men (witch-doctors). A shaman is an intermediary between the natural and the supernatural worlds, who is in direct contact with spirits who are invariably evil. Tattooing was often a magical rite, linked to scarification and blood-letting, and the tattooing process involved complex rituals and taboos, known only to the shaman and his tribe. In tattooing the skin is punctured and the blood is drawn. Licking the blood during tattoo operations is not unknown. The puncturing was considered the ‘opening of inlets for evil to enter’. Tattoos were therefore channels for demonic possession. Even today, certain tattoo artists burn incense and light candles during tattoo operations, while others allow ‘demons to guide the tattoo needle over the client’s body’.

'Tattoos have always reflected a note of unabashed rebellion and marked deviancy. Hence tattoos were used to mark criminals, adulterers, traitors, deserters, the deviant and the outcast. Even the ancient Greeks and Romans did not tattoo themselves, but they branded slaves and criminals with tattoos. The Latin word for ‘tattoo’ is ‘stigma’ – which is a distinguishing mark cut into the flesh of a slave or a criminal, and was considered a mark of disgrace or reproach. By the early 1900s public opinion against tattoos was so strong that tattooed persons were considered freaks and found mostly in sideshows and circuses.

The Psychological Aspect

'It has been observed that criminals, drug addicts, sex perverts and social outlaws are the overwhelming majority of the tattooed. Hard rock bands sport sick and lewd tattoos. Gangs encourage tattoos to instill a sense of ‘belonging’. Tattoos carry a streak of aggression and anti-establishmentarianism and are subversive of morality. Death (inclusive of skulls, snakes, demons, flames) and pornography (lewd pictures, nude figures) are popular themes of tattoos. Psychologists have considered tattoos to be marks of personality disorder which is manifested later in criminal behavior. Low self-esteem, lack of self-control, sadomasochism, bondage, fetishism, bisexuality, antisocial personality, mania and bipolar disorder, and schizophrenia – are reflected in self-inflicted multiple tattoos. Studies have linked tattoos to homosexuality, lesbianism and gross sexual perversion.

Tattooed youth are more likely to engage in sexual intercourse, take to alcohol and drugs, and exhibit violent behavior, and drop out of high school – by as much as 4 times compared to non-tattooed youth.

The Christian Aspect

'Carnal Christians side-step the injuction in Leviticus 19;28 by arguing that the commandment is for Old Testament Israel and not for New Testament Christians. Does that mean that bestiality and child sacrifice which are forbidden in Leviticus are for Old Testament Israel and not for New Testament Christians? The New Testament does not have to spell out all sins. Smoking, for instance, is not mentioned in the Bible anywhere; but does it mean that smoking is not a vice or sin?

'Reputed Bible scholars and commentators have made in clear that the moral commandments in Leviticus are for all time and not just for Israel in the Old Testament age. Leviticus 19:28 says, ‘You shall not make any cutting in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you. I am the LORD.’ On this Matthew Henry, Merrill Unger and Jamieson, Fausset and Brown have made it amply clear that tattoos are forbidden by God. It is to be noted that while ‘cuttings’ are qualified by the phrase ‘for the dead’, ‘marks’ (or tattoos) have no such qualification. Which means that all tattoos (Christian and otherwise) are evil in God’s eyes.

'One of the arguments made by carnal Christians is that Lev 19.27 forbids haircuts. What Leviticus 19.27 is talking about is ‘rounding the corners of your head’ and ‘marring the corners of your beard’. These were heathen practices. One such practice was to cut the hair so that the head resembled a celestial globe. It is called a ‘tonsure’, a practice of heathens to honor their gods. The cutting of the flesh was demonstrated by the prophets of Baal on Mount Carmel. It is not to be forgotten that the demon-possessed man in Mark 5 was in the habit of cutting himself with stones. Cutting and masochistic self-flagellation is also practiced by Muslims during their festival of Muharram. In short, the injunctions in Lev 19:26-28 are a strong condemnation of heathen practices – witchcraft, astrology, cutting, tattooing, tonsures, etc.

'In 1 Samuel 15:23 we are told that ‘rebellion is like the sin of witchcraft’. Tattoos sported by today’s youth have been the mark of rebellion and hatred of authority (besides, rejection of all moral values). In God’s eyes, the sin of tattooing is like witch-craft. We have already seen the origins of tattoos in witch-craft and shamanism. It remains to be researched whether this ‘witch-craft’ has also led to widespread demon-possession. No, tattoos are not ‘body decoration’; they have nothing to do with fashion and beauty; but rather they are sinister signs of moral decay and infiltration by evil spirits into modern society.'
Old Testament, Old Law. It's not relevant to those in Christ unless it contradicts something in the New Testament.

A machinist with a tattoo indicating bloodtype and allergies can be a lifesaver and is not in itself sinful.
 

Rosemaryx

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Old Testament, Old Law. It's not relevant to those in Christ unless it contradicts something in the New Testament.

A machinist with a tattoo indicating bloodtype and allergies can be a lifesaver and is not in itself sinful.
This is useful to know , because I have seen people who are type 1 diabetic , who have a small tattoo on their wrist in case of emergency...
They never know when they can get a hypo , and fall into a coma , so the ambulance people do indeed check for these types of identification when someone has collapsed , and it has often saved their life thank God...
...xox...
 

PennEd

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News flash

It has been brought to our attention That charisharoon has been corrupted by reading a book that preaches sinless perfection in diguise. The book its self does not say it preaches sinless perfection, but if you read between the lines it makes a clear reference that it is.

The book was brought to our attention by our friend in christ postman hunter.
I also recieved a prayer last week from the holy spirit telling me he has been corrupted by sinless perfection. Its very important that we all pray for him.
Its aslo important that the only responce to now give him is to encourage him to pray
for what ever his next issue is, as all we will be doing if we dont is adding more fuel to his fire.
Once a person has been corrupted this way it is important we realise it is not his fault so please do encourage him to pray on every oppertunity.

Here is the book
((from the first book))


Why is it that so many people struggle very hard to obey God, but cannot? Every morning they say, ‘Now, to-day, I will not lose my temper; to-day I will not tell lies; to-day I will not take a bribe’; yet after two or three hours, again they lose their tempers. Even though they pray and read their Bibles, yet they fail. Why is that? Because they fail to appropriate the Blood for cleansing to begin with, and then to lay hold of Christ as their life. They are trying to do the things of God with their own human energy. That is why they fail. Do you want to overcome in every temptation? Then come under the Blood by faith, every day, every morning. The Blood speaks of two things—cleansing and life. When you confess your sins, you are washed by the Blood from every defilement and the life of Christ in you will be manifested in your daily walk and actions. The Israelites had to come under the Blood to be able to obey what God commanded.


There is sinless perfection teaching going on in the book above


Responce from our friend postman hunter

it's subtle, and it's in the middle of other things, but it's there.
'why are you unable to overcome every temptation and be sinless? because you aren't under the blood. you've got to really concentrate every morning and then you will be sinless and perfect. if your flesh isn't without sin, then you're not really saved, because you're not praying the magical 'under the blood' prayer hard enough and often enough -- you don't really have faith, or you would never stumble. **real** Christians are sinless under the blood, why aren't you?'
((my paraphrase))

Thankyou for your work in spotting this postman hunter.

I would advice you all to stay away from this book


I hear what you’re saying, and think sinless perfectionism is very bad, and maybe the book is preaching that, but I don’t see it in the section you quoted.

The passage reminds me a little bit like this verse:


2 Corinthians 10:5
New International Version



5 We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.
 

soberxp

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I know people tattoo Bibles word on their bodies,is it Devil ????????:ROFL::unsure::p
 

Roughsoul1991

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I think often in the church there can be a front put up. This can be due to discomfort or simply not knowing many people there. I agree we should not pretend to be something or someone we are not. Being genuine is important. However just because one is not genuine in a moment, that doesn’t make them fake Christian just human.
Your are right. I painted with a broad brush. I suppose I think of the statistics like only 6% hold to a Biblical worldview.

https://www.faithwire.com/2021/05/26/only-6-of-americans-hold-to-biblical-worldview-new-study-shows/

Or passages like being lukewarm. We can either hot hot or cold but not both. God hit me with this very personally.
 
Since nobody wants to visit the thread, Tattoos and Demon Possession, I might as well put it up here. So here goes.
(Read it prayerfully and carefully, and don't jump to hasty & intemperate conclusions!)

Some people here think that having tattoos is just a worldly fad. I would like to enlighten them on the subject.

(P.S. I have studied the subject at length! This is from 6 years ago, and I stand by it.)

TATTOOS AND DEMON POSSESSION

It is a sad fact that the ‘tattoo-trend’ is picking up fast all around the world. Huge numbers of teens (and those in their 20s and 30s) of this lost generation are obsessed about tattoos. In fact the teenage craving for having more tattoos is indicative of either some psychological sickness or perhaps something more sinister. Though parents and employers frown upon tattoos, knowing fully well that they are marks of deviance and rebellion, it seems that the liberal (and Satan-inspired) media is promoting the ‘tattoo-trend’, along with a whole bunch of ignorant celebrities in the film world, the music arena and the sports field. However, tattoos reflect more than teenage rebellion. They are indicative of the deep and dark evil known as ‘demon possession’.

Historical research has borne out that tattoos bear the mark of demonism, Baal worship, shamanism, cannibalism, occultism, and many vile pagan beliefs and practices. The tattooist in many pagan cultures is a shaman, magic-man, witch-doctor, (pagan) priest or priestess. A shaman is an intermediary between the natural and supernatural worlds, who uses magic to cure illnesses, foretell the future, control spiritual forces, etc.

Tattooing is a magical rite in pagan cultures, and the tattooist is the priest or shaman. In Fiji, Formosa (Taiwan), New Zealand, and among the North American Indian tribes, tattooing was regarded as a religious ceremony and performed by the pagan priests or priestesses. The actual tattooing process was a complex ritual, the secret being known only to the priestly (shaman, witch-doctor) caste. Historically, tattooing originated in ancient rites of scarification and blood-letting which were supposed to put the human soul in touch with supernatural forces and ensure continuity between this life and the next.

The tattoo is more than just a layer of ink cut into the skin. It was a vehicle for pagan spiritual and religious invocations – a bridge into the supernatural world. Infamous witch Laurie Cabot (of Salem, Massachusetts) writes: “The origins of tattooing came from ancient magical practices.”

The native tribes in North America believed in tattoing the temples, foreheads and cheeks of those suffering from headaches and toothaches. They believed that aches and illnesses were caused by malevolent spirits. Songs and dances meant to exorcise the demons accompanied the tattooing ceremony.

Tattooing was intended to make the body a ‘fit home’ for the spirit who dwelt in it. Tribal tattoos are designs that bear symbolical mystical and occult meanings. In short, they are channels of spiritual and demonic possession.

Tattoos involve the drawing of blood, which in the pagan world is seen as a rejuvenating and immortalizing factor. According to research expert and renowned author, Wilfrid Hambly (“The History of Tattooing”), the tattoos are actually inlets for evil to enter. Interestingly, we hear of tattoo artists who allow their clients’ demons to help guide the tattoo needle.

According to Hambly, tattooing was supposed to confer superhuman strength, ensure the survival of the soul after death, identify the soul in the hereafter, ensure the protection of the so-called ‘deity'(i.e. the totemic animal or spirit guardian), confer occult powers, etc.
According to Steve Gilbert (‘Tattoo History: A Source Book’): “When Cortez and his conquistadors arrived on the coast of Mexico in 1519, they were horrified to discover that natives not only worshipped devils in the form of status and idols, but also had somehow managed to imprint indelible images of these idols on their skin. The Spaniards, who had never heard of tattooing, recognized it at once as the work of Satan.”
According to Jean-Christ Miller (‘The Body Art Book’): “Tattoos act as protective and empowering talismans for the wearer. There are some body artists who perform ritual tattoos, piercing, brandings and cuttings. They may suggest you consult your astrological chart to pick the right time to get your body art. They will burn incense, light candles . . .”

The tattoo has never been associated with Christianity, though many pseudo-christians sport it. History has shown that whenever tattooed pagan tribes were converted to Christianity, without exception, one of the first pagan practices to disappear was the tattoo. Why? Because, unlike today’s “tattooed” pseudo-christians, the converted pagan knew in his heart that the tattoo was against the Word of God. The Holy Spirit convinced the converted pagan that tattoos were taboo! Today’s pseudo-christians don’t seem to understand that: “You cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: you cannot be partakers of the Lord’s table, and of the table of devils.” 1 Corinthians 10:21.

Some of the gross face tattoos that we see on Facebook, Twitter and other social networking sites clearly prove that Satan is the author of tattoos, piercings and other disfigurements of the flesh. But will people learn the truth? Alas, the majority won’t, because they are blinded by the devil.
 

Roughsoul1991

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Why are you so upset with God's condemnation of TATTOOS?
Suppose I told you about the connection between Tattoos and Demonic Possession (see my new thread!)?
Don't you understand, Roughsoul?

May God open your eyes to His holy and awesome truth!
I'm not upset. I'm simply dividing God's Word correctly.

As a Christian, your work can not lead into demonic possession. How does a Demon possess someone who casts out demons? A work of the flesh is meaningless. The prophets of Baal who confronted Elijah found this to be true. They cut on themselves and danced around like crazy for hours. Only to be laughed at by Elijah. Their so called god did nothing. Now works for the Christian only end at Jesus where grace abounds. Works are powerless. It is what we put with works that matter. Are we getting a tattoo to bring honor to God? Satan? Or Moma? Where is our heart and mind at? That is where we give something power.
 

Roughsoul1991

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Roughsoul, tattoos carry a lot of holes! And according to the thread, Tattoos and Demon Possession, those holes do enable evil spirits to come in and take over. That's why you have such gross and nauseating tattoos and piercings multiplying all over the Western world.
Better stay away from surgery then lol medicine was once seen as witchcraft too. Some Christians still today do not take their kids to doctors.
 
I'm not upset. I'm simply dividing God's Word correctly.

As a Christian, your work can not lead into demonic possession. How does a Demon possess someone who casts out demons? A work of the flesh is meaningless. The prophets of Baal who confronted Elijah found this to be true. They cut on themselves and danced around like crazy for hours. Only to be laughed at by Elijah. Their so called god did nothing. Now works for the Christian only end at Jesus where grace abounds. Works are powerless. It is what we put with works that matter. Are we getting a tattoo to bring honor to God? Satan? Or Moma? Where is our heart and mind at? That is where we give something power.
Thanks, Roughsoul. You told me about the prophets of Baal. That they cut themselves. Obviously they must have mutilated their flesh earlier with some crazy tattoos. Having practised self-mutilation earlier (with tattoos and piercings), they must have indulged in an orgy of blood-letting on Mt Carmel, but all to no avail.

Thanks for the tip! It helps in my further study on the subject of tattoos.
 

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Your are right. I painted with a broad brush. I suppose I think of the statistics like only 6% hold to a Biblical worldview.

https://www.faithwire.com/2021/05/26/only-6-of-americans-hold-to-biblical-worldview-new-study-shows/

Or passages like being lukewarm. We can either hot hot or cold but not both. God hit me with this very personally.

I had thought 6% was generous- how many take everything to the Lord for His truth in the matter? Very few, as we see in this thread. Not you RoughSoul
 

Roughsoul1991

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I had thought 6% was generous- how many take everything to the Lord for His truth in the matter? Very few, as we see in this thread. Not you RoughSoul
Thanks. The fear of God and the promise that teachers will be judged more critically is a great weight to bear. Summit ministries has a great biblical worldview personal assessment test anyone can take.
 

Roughsoul1991

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Thanks, Roughsoul. You told me about the prophets of Baal. That they cut themselves. Obviously they must have mutilated their flesh earlier with some crazy tattoos. Having practised self-mutilation earlier (with tattoos and piercings), they must have indulged in an orgy of blood-letting on Mt Carmel, but all to no avail.

Thanks for the tip! It helps in my further study on the subject of tattoos.
No problem. Study what happened with duel between Elijah. All their cutting did nothing. All Elijah had to do was pray and call on God.
 

de-emerald

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I hear what you’re saying, and think sinless perfectionism is very bad, and maybe the book is preaching that, but I don’t see it in the section you quoted.

The passage reminds me a little bit like this verse:


2 Corinthians 10:5
New International Version



5 We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.
I like the scripture you posted thankyou
 

Dino246

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Roughsoul, tattoos carry a lot of holes! And according to the thread, Tattoos and Demon Possession, those holes do enable evil spirits to come in and take over. That's why you have such gross and nauseating tattoos and piercings multiplying all over the Western world.
This is ignorance on steroids. Holes in your skin don't make you more susceptible to demonic possession, and your opinions about tattoos are completely irrelevant to the argument.