THE TWO WITNESSES!!!

[Avinu]

I've always enjoyed Rev. 11 about the two witnesses, imagining what it would be like to see them in action so-to-speak.

Now I've heard some varying opinions on who they are, what they are, if they are two people or something else.

Me personally, I believe they are exactly what Rev. 11 says they are. Some say they are Elijah and Enoch, some say Elijah and Moses. But there is no Biblical evidence to back it up.

Some say Elijah and Enoch because they have not tasted death, and they use the scripture where God says, Man is appointed to die once. (paraphrasing)


So, what do you all have to say about it. And why. Shalom

 

[AnandaHya]

why did John only measure the temple of God and who are the ones worshiping there?
at least the people will fear and worship God after this instead of cursing Him. Although 7000 die and 1/10 of the city will be destroyed with the earthquake. wasn't there an earthquake after Jesus died as well?

Revelation 11 (New King James Version)

The Two Witnesses
1 Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood,[a] saying, “Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there. 2 But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. 3 And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.”
4 These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands standing before the God of the earth. 5 And if anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouth and devours their enemies. And if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this manner. 6 These have power to shut heaven, so that no rain falls in the days of their prophecy; and they have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to strike the earth with all plagues, as often as they desire.

The Witnesses Killed
7 When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them. 8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our[c] Lord was crucified. 9 Then those from the peoples, tribes, tongues, and nations will see their dead bodies three-and-a-half days, and not allow[d] their dead bodies to be put into graves. 10 And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth.

The Witnesses Resurrected
11 Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them. 12 And they[e] heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them. 13 In the same hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell. In the earthquake seven thousand people were killed, and the rest were afraid and gave glory to the God of heaven.

“The kingdoms[f] of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!”

 

[journey41]

I've always enjoyed Rev. 11 about the two witnesses, imagining what it would be like to see them in action so-to-speak.

Now I've heard some varying opinions on who they are, what they are, if they are two people or something else.

Me personally, I believe they are exactly what Rev. 11 says they are. Some say they are Elijah and Enoch, some say Elijah and Moses. But there is no Biblical evidence to back it up.

Some say Elijah and Enoch because they have not tasted death, and they use the scripture where God says, Man is appointed to die once. (paraphrasing)


So, what do you all have to say about it. And why. Shalom

Malachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
(I dont think we could get it any more straight forward than this!)

Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

Why did the devil want Moses' dead body so bad? He must know that this body is going to be used for something big later....

Rev 11:6 These have ower to shut heaven THAT IT RAIN NOT in the days of their prophesy, and have POWER over WATERS to TURN THEM INTO BLOOD. and to smite the earth with ALL PLAGUES, as often as they will.

Didn't God give Elijah the power in the early days to stop the rain, and Moses the power to turn water into blood and send plagues?

It fits like a glove, And thats how I get my answer.

 

[Avinu]

[QUOTEMalachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
(I dont think we could get it any more straight forward than this!)

][/QUOTE] That's a good verse, but that verse has also been used to describe John the Baptist. You may be right, but remember I never said it wasn't Elijah, Moses or Enoch.

Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

Why did the devil want Moses' dead body so bad? He must know that this body is going to be used for something big later....

Although a good arguement, this can only fall into the category of assumption.

Didn't God give Elijah the power in the early days to stop the rain, and Moses the power to turn water into blood and send plagues?

It fits like a glove, And thats how I get my answer.

Yes, God did give them the power to do those things, I agree it does fit. Shalom

 

[Gentile]

I say its Elijah and Moses.

The book of Revelation states that two prophets will arise between the second woe and before the third woe. The following wonders will accompany these prophets:

1. "If any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies:" (Revelation 11:5)
2. "These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy:" (Revelation 11:6a)
3. "and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.(Revelation 11:6b)
4. These signs will continue for "a thousand two hundred and threescore days", or 3.5 years.

These two prophets are Moses and Elijah, because their actions are a continuation of their previous ministry. Moses turned the waters into blood (Exodus 7:21) and smote the Egyptians with plagues (Exodus 8-11). Elijah had the power to shut the heavens, and call both rain and fire down on command (I Kings 17:1, 18:38). Further, Elijah stopped the rain for 3.5 years during the reign of Ahab (I Kings 17:1)

 

[Gentile]

The signs of the time proclaim that the end of the world is near: If this is true then where is Elijah? Is it possible that he has already come and gone?

Elijah (Greek: Elias) was a prophet in Israel in the 9th century BC who raised the dead, called fire from heaven, preached against idolatry, and asceneded into heaven in a whirlwind. Elijah's successor, Elisha, was given a double portion of his spirit, and raised the dead, healed the sick, and revealed the secrets of people's hearts. The prophet Malachi prophecied of Elijah's return before the "great and dreadful day of the LORD" (Malachi 4:5b) with a specific mission to "turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers" (Malachi 4:6a). This return is a sign that many Jews and Christians await as an indication of the soon coming of the Messiah.

 

[Gentile]

The New Testament opens with John the Baptist preparing the way for Jesus' ministry. Jesus identified John as Elijah the prophet - even though he performed no miracles and had only one prophecy: the coming of the Lord - but Jesus also said that Elijah "shall first come and restore all things" (Matthew 17:11). The Bible records that John the Baptist's ministry was to "prepare the way" for Jesus' ministry (Luke 3:4), and "turn the hearts of the fathers to the children," in a ministry of preparation (Luke 1:17). However, John the Baptist did not come to "turn the hearts of the children to the fathers" in a ministry of restoration, and he did not come before the "dreadful day of the Lord", which is the day of judgement.

 

[journey41]

[QUOTEMalachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
(I dont think we could get it any more straight forward than this!)

]

That's a good verse, but that verse has also been used to describe John the Baptist. You may be right, but remember I never said it wasn't Elijah, Moses or Enoch.

John the babtist came in the SPIRIT OF ELIJAH. Meaning that same spirit that was in Elijah was in him too. The spirit of God of course with the spirit of prophesy.

 

[wakeup]

[QUOTEMalachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
(I dont think we could get it any more straight forward than this!)

]

That's a good verse, but that verse has also been used to describe John the Baptist. You may be right, but remember I never said it wasn't Elijah, Moses or Enoch.

Although a good arguement, this can only fall into the category of assumption.



Yes, God did give them the power to do those things, I agree it does fit. Shalom[/quote]

AND WHO WAS JESUS CONVERSING WITH,INTHE TRANSFIGURATION?

 

[NoahsMom]

elijah and enoch.

 

[55scuba]

I would have to say Enoch and Elijah. I have 18 points but will only give a few.

1. Heb 9:27 27And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: Since they never saw death and this should exclude Moses or any other man.

2. They are symbolized by two candlesticks and olive trees that stood before God. Rev 11:4 and Zech 4: 11-14
11Then answered I, and said unto him, What [are] these two olive trees upon the right [side] of the candlestick and upon the left [side] thereof?
12And I answered again, and said unto him, What [be these] two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden [oil] out of themselves?
13And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these [be]? And I said, No, my lord.
14Then said he, These [are] the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth

3. If they are in Heaven now with thier natural bodies as the word says... Then they were in heaven 500 years before Christ as Zechariah prophesied. See above scripture.

But im open to read what others have to say.

 

[Laodicea]

Could the two witnesses be the old and new testament? During the dark ages the Bible was banned on pain of death only to come back stronger than ever, also during the french revolution they tried to get rid of all Christianity and burned Bibles only for the Bible to come back stronger than ever. Because the book of revelation is in symbols the two witnesses might be symbolic? Did not Jesus say of the scriptures "they are they which testify of me" Because think about all the attacks on the Bible throughout history no other book has been attacked like the Bible but the gates of hell have not prevailed against them in Jeremiah it tells us that a certain king cut the scriptures in the apostles time people were making false copies of the scriptures from the beginning Satan has been at war with God's word but there is a text which says that "my word shall last forever"

 

[wakeup]

elijah and enoch.

Correction if you dont mind; Elijah and Moses.

 

[wakeup]

I would have to say Enoch and Elijah. I have 18 points but will only give a few.

1. Heb 9:27 27And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: Since they never saw death and this should exclude Moses or any other man.

2. They are symbolized by two candlesticks and olive trees that stood before God. Rev 11:4 and Zech 4: 11-14
11Then answered I, and said unto him, What [are] these two olive trees upon the right [side] of the candlestick and upon the left [side] thereof?
12And I answered again, and said unto him, What [be these] two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden [oil] out of themselves?
13And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these [be]? And I said, No, my lord.
14Then said he, These [are] the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth

3. If they are in Heaven now with thier natural bodies as the word says... Then they were in heaven 500 years before Christ as Zechariah prophesied. See above scripture.

But im open to read what others have to say.

Enoch,moses and elijah are preserved in the flesh not in heaven,but some other dimension; In my fathers house are many mansions.

 

[Laodicea]

Correction if you dont mind; Elijah and Moses.

Have you even considered that it could be the Bible or do you dismiss it cause it is not what you teach? Remember that the book of revelation is in symbols so it may the Bible

 

[Crazy4GODword]

Ok if you guys think they are Elijah and Moses, then tell me who wrote this revelation of Jesus Christ? Wasnt it John, the same John that was at the transfiguration of Jesus Christ? And while he saw Jesus's transfiguration did he not also see Moses and Elijah? So then why would he not identify there names in revelation but yet John himself saw them and recognize them somehow?

Maybe it is someone else, witness doesn't have to be a prophet, for John the baptist was the last OT prophet.

Aleichem Shalom

 

[peterT]

Correction if you dont mind; Elijah and Moses.

i thought you said that the prophets were until john?

 

[jonathanbchristian]

I've always enjoyed Rev. 11 about the two witnesses, imagining what it would be like to see them in action so-to-speak.

Now I've heard some varying opinions on who they are, what they are, if they are two people or something else.

Me personally, I believe they are exactly what Rev. 11 says they are. Some say they are Elijah and Enoch, some say Elijah and Moses. But there is no Biblical evidence to back it up.

Some say Elijah and Enoch because they have not tasted death, and they use the scripture where God says, Man is appointed to die once. (paraphrasing)


So, what do you all have to say about it. And why. Shalom

I think it's amazing that the two prophets you are talking about can pray and cause plagues! God will give them the authority to pray and send plagues on mankind at their will!

 

[AnandaHya]

ummm it is more Amazing that Jesus heals and creates new life in people. destruction is easy. Any child can tear down the tower that another took time and care to build. No Jesus said do not rejoice that you have the power to cast out demons but that your name is written in the Book of Life.

 

[peterT]

Correction if you dont mind; Elijah and Moses.

Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
For the Law and the prophets were until John.
Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets [were] until John:

old testament prophets were until John.
And after john's death Jesus prophesied he will send other prophets and some of them ye shall kill.

Matthew 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and [some] of them ye shall kill-
Revelation 11:7- and shall overcome them, and kill them.

If you know the month and year, then maybe you should tell us when and how you got it?
For if the Lord can speak through the mouth of an ass, he maybe able to speak through you.
Numbers 22:28 And the LORD opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam,-

Yes i am SUS of you, but that’s the way Jesus taught us to be.

Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
John 2:24 But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all [men],25 And needed not that any should testify of man: for he knew what was in man.