THE TWO WITNESSES!!!

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silverwind

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I think it's amazing that the two prophets you are talking about can pray and cause plagues! God will give them the authority to pray and send plagues on mankind at their will!
that's right, and therefore it cannot be looked at as symbolic.
they are 2 men, they are appointed by God, they will perform miracles, and kill with the breath of their mouth. they will be so hated but no one (except the beast from the bottomless pit) will be able to kill them. (that should tell you something). through supernatural means will they die, and through God raised up to heaven.
 
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peterT

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Correction if you dont mind; Elijah and Moses.
I suspect that you think that you NO the day that Jesus comes, just from reading your postings.
But you are keeping it under your hat because you know it’s against God's scripture and most won’t believe you. Even tho you drop little hints in your postings.
The more I think about you the more I think you are a false prophet.
Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
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I suspect that you think that you NO the day that Jesus comes, just from reading your postings.
But you are keeping it under your hat because you know it’s against God's scripture and most won’t believe you. Even tho you drop little hints in your postings.
The more I think about you the more I think you are a false prophet.
Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
wakeup wakeup
You obviously think that it is imposible for God to reaveal prophesies to someone; if it was someone else beside me, you would still think the same. So in other words no one will ever understand prophesy,no matter who it is; or maybe someone like the pope,or someone well known,or some one great in this world,that you will take notice of.
Well God never works that way.
 
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You obviously think that it is imposible for God to reaveal prophesies to someone; if it was someone else beside me, you would still think the same. So in other words no one will ever understand prophesy,no matter who it is; or maybe someone like the pope,or someone well known,or some one great in this world,that you will take notice of.
Well God never works that way.
So you do think you NO the day that the Lord cometh, I thought so…

No I don’t think it’s impossible for God to reveal prophecies .
Yes people can understand prophecies. But it looks to me like you don’t.

But the day and hour no man knoweth

Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

You can see why I have my doubts about you. You are prophesying not according to the Holy Word of God.

They will never deviver you to the councils.

They will never bring you before governors and kings for his name sake, as a testimony

They will never scourge in your synagogues for his name sake.

They will never persecute you from city to city for his name sake, While you have a lying spirit in your mouth.

Matthew 10:17 But beware of men: for they will DELIVER YOU UP to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues
Matthew 24:9Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Matthew 10:18And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
Matthew 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and [some] of them ye shall kill and crucify; and [some] of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute [them] from city to city:

Jesus tales us the signs in Matt 24

The beginning of sorrows.
the abomination of desolation,
Sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Immediately after the tribulation.
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven:

Then Jesus said

Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
He comes as a thief

But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

After Jesus telling us the signs and that we will NOT know the day .

You so called prophets after reading the signs, say that you WILL know the day
After Jesus just telling us that we will NOT know the day, but my Father only

What arrogance what hypocrites what lies what twisting of scriptures
 
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So you do think you NO the day that the Lord cometh, I thought so…

No I don’t think it’s impossible for God to reveal prophecies .
Yes people can understand prophecies. But it looks to me like you don’t.

But the day and hour no man knoweth

Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

You can see why I have my doubts about you. You are prophesying not according to the Holy Word of God.

They will never deviver you to the councils.

They will never bring you before governors and kings for his name sake, as a testimony

They will never scourge in your synagogues for his name sake.

They will never persecute you from city to city for his name sake, While you have a lying spirit in your mouth.

Matthew 10:17 But beware of men: for they will DELIVER YOU UP to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues
Matthew 24:9Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Matthew 10:18And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
Matthew 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and [some] of them ye shall kill and crucify; and [some] of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute [them] from city to city:

Jesus tales us the signs in Matt 24

The beginning of sorrows.
the abomination of desolation,
Sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Immediately after the tribulation.
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven:

Then Jesus said

Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
He comes as a thief

But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

After Jesus telling us the signs and that we will NOT know the day .

You so called prophets after reading the signs, say that you WILL know the day
After Jesus just telling us that we will NOT know the day, but my Father only

What arrogance what hypocrites what lies what twisting of scriptures
Jesus will only come as a thief to those who are not prepared. If you die in your sins before his coming, then he comes as a thief. When you wake, he will be there. Time up. This is not talking about his physical coming. This is talking to the christians, the ones who took their salvation for granted and did not consider it important enough to change their ways to be more like Jesus, the way he instructed us. He is saying be careful. Be on guard always. Stay in the spirit, dont act like the world. Stay holy for we do not know when we are going to die. It may catch us unawares.

To the believers, he gives signs. We know that he cannot come unless certain events are fulfilled. We are not in the dark. Concerning the day and the hour, no-one knows if it will be thursday or friday, or at 6pm or 7pm. But the year, or the month we can work out roughly. It doesn't really matter anyway, because most of us will be dead by then, but this info is provided from God and you have all missed it. The scripture containing this info has already been given a long time ago on CC, but you all didn't pick it up and because your hearts were darkened we didn't help you to understand it, but some out there will. The quiet humble ones who are searching the scriptures and not rambling things they don't understand. Them ones. They will see it.



 
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Lad

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I personally believe they are just two preachers God appoints to do His will
 
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I also believe we can get too caught up in the details... The main point John is trying to get across is that 1. Even amongst all these disasters and calamities and anti-christian attitudes there are STILL people worshipping and praising him, and this is something to be joyful about. 2. God has not yet given up on mankind, he sends two preachers (whoever they may be) to spread his Word and try AGAIN to convince men of the truth. and 3. That because of the miracle God will perform people PRAISE HIM! this is GREAT news :D It means that FINALLY at least one message has gotten across to some people and more sheep come into the flock :)

Remember that God wrote Revelation to comfort and encourage His people in the midst of tribulation, it wasnt to confuse us or for us to argue about. Its to give us hope, so looking at every minor detail is simply not necessary as long as we have the main message God was trying to send and ultimately we will find out what the minor details mean eventually.

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I personally believe they are just two preachers God appoints to do His will
[/QUOTE]They are more than just preachers, they are prophets and God will speak directly through them to the Israelites. They will witness against Israel and the world. God will give them power to shut the rain and send plagues. It shows that God is not happy here. I dont think many will come to the Lord during this time, because when the two witnessess are killed, the world will rejoice.
 
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Lad

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I was just giving my opinion in answer to Avinus question journey, i dont want an argument or debate thanks especially after my second longer post.
 
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quote=Lad;458479]I was just giving my opinion in answer to Avinus question journey, i dont want an argument or debate thanks especially after my second longer post.
[/QUOTE]I wasnt arguing with you. Sorry if you're offended with my input.
 
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peterT

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Jesus will only come as a thief to those who are not prepared. If you die in your sins before his coming, then he comes as a thief. When you wake, he will be there. Time up. This is not talking about his physical coming. This is talking to the christians, the ones who took their salvation for granted and did not consider it important enough to change their ways to be more like Jesus, the way he instructed us. He is saying be careful. Be on guard always. Stay in the spirit, dont act like the world. Stay holy for we do not know when we are going to die. It may catch us unawares.

To the believers, he gives signs. We know that he cannot come unless certain events are fulfilled. We are not in the dark. Concerning the day and the hour, no-one knows if it will be thursday or friday, or at 6pm or 7pm. But the year, or the month we can work out roughly. It doesn't really matter anyway, because most of us will be dead by then, but this info is provided from God and you have all missed it. The scripture containing this info has already been given a long time ago on CC, but you all didn't pick it up and because your hearts were darkened we didn't help you to understand it, but some out there will. The quiet humble ones who are searching the scriptures and not rambling things they don't understand. Them ones. They will see it.
My Bible says that on man knows the day or hour
But he says that HE knows
My Bible says that many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Best play it safe and nip this in the bud incase in grows.
He should interpret some other prophecy that doesn’t say on man knoweth, but my Father only.
Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Matthew 24:11And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
 
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My Bible says that on man knows the day or hour
But he says that HE knows
My Bible says that many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Best play it safe and nip this in the bud incase in grows.
He should interpret some other prophecy that doesn’t say on man knoweth, but my Father only.
Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Matthew 24:11And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
[/QUOTE]Thank you Peter. My bible says the same as yours. It also says that many false prophets shall rise. Yes we know this. They are here already and many more will come. They will be very persuasive to those who had not recieved the full truth, because if they had, they would not be decieved. So the big build up now is the next world event to occur according to God's plan as revelealed to us in the prophesies...The pale horse as spoken in revelations, and Matthew, and OT prophesies gives us more detail on who the rider is and whats on his agenda.

So if we know when this rider of the pale horse is coming, not only because of the signs already given to us, but because of the more detail in OT prophesies concerning Israel, we find out exactly how long God has given Israel from 1948 to when their end is. We can work out exactly what year it is, even to the month, but not the day nor hour. So you do err, when you accuse that wake-up is lying and causing trouble because he never gave the date. He does not know the date. He just said search the prophecies for yourselves and you will find the answer. He is leading you back to the word, and if your're hungry you will search for yourself and find the answer. Do not rely on man for this answer, do not even rely on wake-up or myself, but search for yourself and see what you come up with if you want to know, and if you dont, well so be it. It won't go against you. You never know, someone might pick something up that we didnt. A little bit here, a little bit there.

 
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Lad

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I personally believe Jesus will come in sep/oct one year and that we will be able to work out the year eventually journey :) Jesus himself said that we will know the signs and the times and he gave us revelation to give us hope, and part of that hope is being able to say "well its ok that this stuff is happening because we know Christ will come InsertYearHere" We are not the blind ones, we are the awake and clothed ones :)
 
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Lad

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So what im saying is, i agree with you lol *realised he didnt make that clear enough*
 
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silverwind

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I personally believe Jesus will come in sep/oct one year and that we will be able to work out the year eventually journey :) Jesus himself said that we will know the signs and the times and he gave us revelation to give us hope, and part of that hope is being able to say "well its ok that this stuff is happening because we know Christ will come InsertYearHere" We are not the blind ones, we are the awake and clothed ones :)
you know i totally agree with you...
Jesus added "but you are children of the day"
and we can know the time and season...
i agree with the sept/oct. for various reasons, we have hope and that is wonderful!!
 
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Lad

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Silverwind, what are your various reasons for believing sep/oct? For me its because the feast of the tabernacles is the only feast Christ didnt fulfill at his first coming and that happens at sep/oct, also i think thats the months he came the first time too but it would be nice to know more evidence :)
 
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Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
For the Law and the prophets were until John.
Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets [were] until John:

old testament prophets were until John.
And after john's death Jesus prophesied he will send other prophets and some of them ye shall kill.

Matthew 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and [some] of them ye shall kill-
Revelation 11:7- and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Did Jesus contradict his own words? Is that what you are saying.

If you know the month and year, then maybe you should tell us when and how you got it?Study jer 25. 50. 51. rev 11.
For if the Lord can speak through the mouth of an ass, he maybe able to speak through you.Are you a preacher?

Numbers 22:28 And the LORD opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam,-
If you have studied the scriptures well enough,you would be able to see it too,obviously you have not been able to see. I have given a hint in my previous post,end day proph.based on jeremiah ch.25. Just a condensed version of it.

Yes i am SUS of you, but that’s the way Jesus taught us to be.I hope it is not just of me, but also the other teachers out there.
It is a very good thing to always compere scripture with scripture,and not just accept without examining.I like to encourage you to study jer.25 very carefully.Not too quick in stone throwing please.

Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.Because they are all false,any one can call himself a prophet,but they are false.
John 2:24 But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all [men],25 And needed not that any should testify of man: for he knew what was in man.
God has given us an open window to know the day and the month,but not the day and the hour,always read scripture very carefully,for God always puts words in, to put us off ballance,only to make us seek, line upon line precept upon precept.comparing scripture with scripture. Seek and ye shall find. You only find enemies with throwing stones,make the word of God your weapon, not stones. Thank you and may God guide you.

''wakeup''.
 
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My Bible says that on man knows the day or hour
But he says that HE knows sorry i never said that I know the day and the hour,please dont misquote my words,must be honest.

My Bible says that many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Best play it safe and nip this in the bud incase in grows.
It also says, you must judge righteous judgement. Dont hang anyone before he is proven guilty beyond resenable doubt.

He should interpret some other prophecy that doesn’t say on man knoweth, but my Father only.
Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Matthew 24:11And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Always concentrate when reading scriptures,for we are not reading just a story book.
Jesus said DAY and HOUR but all somehow read: day, hour, month, year, century,NEVER??