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Here is the video from the KJV research council:


I don't believe a KJV update is possible in these last days, which is what Mark Ward was pushing for by this debate.
There are certain requirements I believe need to happen for a KJV update to happen in my book. But I believe that such a task will not happen for two reasons. One, there has been a lot of mistrust because of all of the the problems and deceptions employed by Modern Scholarship which began with Westcott and Hort. Second, we are living in the last days. Many in the realm of Christianity today are not like believers of the past. Scripture does warn that many will depart from the faith, and I believe we are living in those days. So we should be crazy and wildly careful of trusting anyone these days.

I think a better alternative is to helping people to understand the KJV is to have improved educational tools, and programs by various different KJV groups or churches. These tools should be rooted in trusted dictionaries, the Hebrew, Greek, context, and more. So in my humble opinion, a KJV update is not necessary. Many have tried and failed because they showed to be dishonest or unqualified about tackling such a major project.

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I looked at Biblehub and compared the top popular Modern Versions (NIV, ESV, CSB, NASB) with the KJV. How do you see these corrupted Alexandrian Modern Bibles as saying something better than the KJV?

The only difference I noticed was that some of these Modern Bibles say "loaves of bread."
How is that significant?
Are you trying to suggest that this verse is proof that all Modern Bibles basically say the same thing?
Some in the Modern Bible camp have actually did tell me such nonsense. In this case, I believe such individuals are living in an alternative universe who are simply ignoring the facts. I have shown 50 plus false doctrines in Modern Bibles. Then there are the changed truths, as well. All these changes are for the worse, and not for the better....
You said the following....

I believe the King James Bible is the perfect words of God in English.

If it's perfect?
Then it should perfectly say what the Greek says. Right?

Since the KJV is perfect, please tell us what was Satan's objective in Matthew 4:3?
And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God,
command that these stones be made bread.
 
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I believe that the KJV is a word for word interpretation of the original Greek translation. Most of the other bible translations are interpretations of what the translator thinks that the words are meaning. I'll take the KJV over those.
I believe the Pure Cambridge KJV edition (circa 1900) is the final and settled pure words of God in English today. But does the Hebrew and Greek offer a deeper and richer meaning at times? Absolutely! Words like "I AM" (a reflection of the triadic declaration) and "hell" (Gehenna, Hades, Tartaroo). have a deeper meaning in the original languages. It is not that the English is not correct by any means. But there is a depth of meaning that is not present with the English. I believe this was by design. But those who study the original languages, will of course know the deeper truth on such matters.


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You said the following....

I believe the King James Bible is the perfect words of God in English.

If it's perfect?
Then it should perfectly say what the Greek says. Right?

Since the KJV is perfect, please tell us what was Satan's objective in Matthew 4:3?
And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God,
command that these stones be made bread.
Before I even seen this post, I have just recently demonstrated that there are times where the Hebrew and Greek reveals a deeper layer of added meaning. Its not that the English is inaccurate by any means. It is still perfect and the inerrant words of God in English. Something that does not convey all the information is not imperfect. There were times Jesus did not give a reply to people. Does that make Him imperfect? No. Something is only imperfect if we see a known corruption or problem that can lead people away from God and His beautiful truths. There is no evidence that God preserving His words in English would do that. In fact, the opposite is true. The KJV has led to three of the great revivals in our history. The KJV helped to promote idioms that people in English speaking countries still speak today. The KJV has led to more good in English speaking countries in ways we cannot calculate. What has the Modern Bibles done? What has Modern Scholarship done that compares? Nothing.


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You said the following....

I believe the King James Bible is the perfect words of God in English.

If it's perfect?
Then it should perfectly say what the Greek says. Right?

Since the KJV is perfect, please tell us what was Satan's objective in Matthew 4:3?
And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God,
command that these stones be made bread.
The problem we face is that those who reject the KJV more often than not are following corrupted Hebrew, and Greek manuscripts of some sort. They don't even realize that the texts they favor teach false doctrines even in the original language manuscripts they favor.
Jesus said beware of the scribes. The scribes are the Modern scholars of our day who want to keep people dumb and stupid while they hold all the keys of knowledge (Just like the Catholic church used to do by them preaching to their lay-people in Latin).


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Genez

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Before I even seen this post, I have just recently demonstrated that there are times where the Hebrew and Greek reveals a deeper layer of added meaning. Its not that the English is inaccurate by any means. It is still perfect and the inerrant words of God in English. Something that does not convey all the information is not imperfect. There were times Jesus did not give a reply to people. Does that make Him imperfect? No. Something is only imperfect if we see a known corruption or problem that can lead people away from God and His beautiful truths. There is no evidence that God preserving His words in English would do that. In fact, the opposite is true. The KJV has led to three of the great revivals in our history. The KJV helped to promote idioms that people in English speaking countries still speak today. The KJV has led to more good in English speaking countries in ways we cannot calculate. What has the Modern Bibles done? What has Modern Scholarship done that compares? Nothing.


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Therefore...

What you admitted to about the Greek? It reveals that the KJV is not always revealing the true meaning of God's Word.

And, besides... if you ventured to tell me what Matthew 4:3 means by reading it from the KJV? You would soon find out it's not the case at all.

The only true translation of God's Word is to be found by locating one of the few pastors who is capable of exegeting the Scriptures accurately from the Hebrew and Greek.

You are entitled to your opinion about the KJV. But, do not do so boastfully as so many KJV Only people do.
For if you could boast as you claim? You should be able to tell me what Matthew 4:3 means, without hesitation.

But, you can't tell me.
 

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Before I even seen this post, I have just recently demonstrated that there are times where the Hebrew and Greek reveals a deeper layer of added meaning. Its not that the English is inaccurate by any means.
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But the English as it stands in some passages would be totally misleading.

Wishful thinking, no matter how noble it may seem, is not a good thing when it comes to understanding God's Word.