theistic evolution - don't try this at home

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Innerfire89

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No one with even a basic understanding of Gen.1-11 would attempt to allegorize or spiritualize those chapters. Most scholars of Genesis today believe that Gen.1-11 is a collection of severely redacted epic tales, sagas, myths, or legends.



Believing in evolution over Scripture does not make sense because the two are not mutually exclusive.



Religion is not scientific, but the theory of evolution is. Saying that it is not, is advertising one’s ignorance.
It makes no difference what scholars believe.

Either death entered the world through Adam's sin or Adam came from death, millions of years of death, make that billions or trillions since the human body is so complex.

Scipure is the guide for viewing data, just the same as theory is the guide for evolutionists. There is much, much more theory than actual evidence for macro evolution, although it may be scientific, so are sci fi movies.
 

Innerfire89

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Actually, you can try it at home :)

Take antibiotics as you probably sometimes do and support the evolution of bacterias.
Lol, but bacteria will never evolve into a bird-lizard.
 

trofimus

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Either death entered the world through Adam's sin or Adam came from death, millions of years of death, make that billions or trillions since the human body is so complex.
Or, its both about different things.
 

trofimus

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How so?
We see that all of the cruse put on Adam and Eve is physical.
Really?

For example "the day you will eat you will die by death". Did Adam fall down to ground physically dead the day he ate?
 
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Innerfire89

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He did have to die on that day for the verse to he would physically die.

But what I want to know is what kind of literature reads like that? Eve's child bearing pain was increased, Adam had no eat by the sweat of his brow, but dying and returning to the ground are spiritual somehow?
 

trofimus

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He did have to die on that day for the verse to he would physically die.

But what I want to know is what kind of literature reads like that? Eve's child bearing pain was increased, Adam had no eat by the sweat of his brow, but dying and returning to the ground are spiritual somehow?
Can you formulate the question differently? I do not understand it.
 

trofimus

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Never seen it happen, I don't see how it could be possible to even guess that it could.
You cant see everything to happen in your short life time. I also did not see the grand canyon to happen.
 
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[video=youtube;ocWgSgMGxOc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocWgSgMGxOc[/video]
 
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[video=youtube;v44soEfMUL8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v44soEfMUL8[/video]
 
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[video=youtube;gahMcHGh4t0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gahMcHGh4t0[/video]
 
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this world is in a cursed state and even then we can see the beauty of God's creation. its amazing. it aint no telling how intelligent and wise God is.
just look at how cool all the things are that He created. u know even the smartest scientist out there cant even produce a single grain of sand. or a drop of water. cant nobody create that. these scientists are playing god today and cant even make a grain of sand, u could put their brains on a jaybird and it'd fly backwards thats how thick some of these scientists are.

i bet when God originally created mosquitos they werent this annoying. i believe in the millennial kingdom the mosquitos wont be biting us no more.

imagine handling a huge crocodile with no fear whatsoever. there aint no telling all the blessings God got in store for us.
 
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Enow

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Religion is not scientific, but the theory of evolution is. Saying that it is not, is advertising one’s ignorance.
The theory of evolution is a false science that can easily be disproven by the laws of science.

The irony is when you get down to it, the evolutionists treats the laws of science as if they are the theories that can bend in favor towards the evolution theory and yet treat the evolution theory as if it is law.

Stephen Jay Gould postulated the Punctuated Equilibrium or "Rapid Macroevolution" because the evidence in the fossil records do not support Gradual Macroevolution. But guess what? Now evolutionists are saying both are true.

Then you do an online search for dictionaries and colleges where the definitions of micro evolution and macro evolution stands apart, and yet some sites start changing it to blur in together.. and even some you can't tell apart at all, which is towards supporting Gradual Macroevolution.

Then they say that "evidence" proves that dinosaurs came from birds and not the other way around.

All these supposed facts of evolution are not facts and what they consider facts now cannot be facts because they cannot prove that macroevolution can happen. They assume much.

Two peer reviews on proof of macro evolution on volcanic islands with one on lizards macroing another kind of lizard never seen before and the same goes for another island about a new species of bird that was never seen on the island before.

Anybody up for throwing humans on that island to watch them macroevolve? Evolutionists firsts, right? Well, they are not.

If you are on stage in a theater and saw empty seats in an all white audience, and the lights dim and the spotlight is on the stage so you can't see to well out in the dark where the audience was, but after the play is over, you see black people in the audience, is that macro evolution? No. It is not.

Neither is claiming that new species that came out of nowhere as coming from that known species on the island. Just because they never noticed it before, it did not mean it was not on the island, They sure did not see it come from that "former species" that was still on the island.

The new species of lizards could have come from underground where they normally dwell which may be why it was rarely seen. The heat from that volcanic island forced them above ground.

The "new species" of birds may had shied away from public areas for all that time until lava flow burned all the foliage away that they are more visible now. Even El Nino or storms can drop off the birds.

So just because they spot something new before, doesn't mean it was never there.

They sure as shooting, did not prove that the new species came from that former species. They did not isolate the former species to see if the eggs they lay will come out as that new species. Same with the birds. All assumptions.

They are hardly being scientific about it in proving their assumptions and like all things evolution theory, they can never prove how old the earth really is when they get errant dating results from their methods as proven within human history, like a living mollusks carbon dated 2,300 years old dead.... so how can anyone believe their dating results when human history cannot even confirm it when it goes beyond human history to see if it is a mistake or not?

Just pointing out a false science that is the evolution theory. A scientist is to prove or disprove the hypothesis and as you can see by those two rave peer reviews on proof of macroevolution on a volcanic island, they did not apply any scientific method to prove their ASSUMPTIONS that the new species came from that former species for being on that volcanic island.

The theory of evolution is not scientific. It is a cult fad running amok in the field of science with no discipline in their scientific methods at all. It is a fairy tale that changes its "facts" as they make more assumptions on evidence found.

Usually when someone starts changing the facts of his story, he is seen and called a liar, but they continue because that is what they call is science which is so falsely called.

1 Timothy 6:[SUP]20 [/SUP]O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:[SUP] 21 [/SUP]Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

Romans 3:[SUP]4 [/SUP]God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
 

trofimus

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this world is in a cursed state
When exactly was the world cursed?

As far as I know, God cursed only work for Adam to obtain his food.
 

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Really?

For example "the day you will eat you will die by death". Did Adam fall down to ground physically dead the day he ate?
A day in the eyes of the Lord is a 1000 years and a 1000 years a day. Adam lived to be 930 years old. Yes, the day he sinned by eating the fruit he died just as the Lord said that he would.
 

Enow

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When exactly was the world cursed?

As far as I know, God cursed only work for Adam to obtain his food.
Romans 8:[SUP]18 [/SUP]For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.[SUP] 19 [/SUP]For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.[SUP] 20 [/SUP]For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,[SUP]21 [/SUP]Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.[SUP]22 [/SUP]For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

1 Corinthians 15:[SUP]21 [/SUP]For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. [SUP]22 [/SUP]For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Death came into the world because of sin; to believe in the evolution theory is to believe that death was in the world before Adam had sinned. So where is the glory and hope in the Lord when death gets to be abolished at the great white throne judgment if sin was not responsible for bringing death into the world?

Romans 6:[SUP]23 [/SUP]For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Revelation 20:[SUP]14 [/SUP]And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

What is the point if sin was not responsible for bringing death into the world in light of the glory of God in Christ Jesus? How can you be assured that death will be done away with when sin is what separates us from God for why death comes?

Death was not in the world before Adam and Eve had sinned. That is how & when the world was cursed with mankind as they were destined to take care of the earth and all the living things in it while living off of herbs as meat for all living things.
 

trofimus

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A day in the eyes of the Lord is a 1000 years and a 1000 years a day. Adam lived to be 930 years old. Yes, the day he sinned by eating the fruit he died just as the Lord said that he would.
Nice :) But I very doubt these two contexts belong together.