There Are Many Scriptures That Disprove The Trinity
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The Watch Tower Society is the organization that is publishing all the magazines and the mis-translation known as the New World Translation for the Jehovah Witnesses. They literally changed the wording of the Bible to fit their false doctrines. Here is a little history behind them:
What is the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society?
A Short History of the Watchtower Organization
What is the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society?
A Short History of the Watchtower Organization
It's a monthly (weekly?) magazine published by Jehovah's Witnesses that's based on the bible, but, the problem is that it's not the bible in it's words, just 'based.'
JW's words in Watchtower speak of Jesus as a prophet, not as God, hence, we have those of that religion not believing in God, who is Jesus, who is the Holy Spirit, of everything in life, and, all around from the beginning of time, one the same, all, was, were, will be forevermore One, AlexHis, milady
Awake, too, is a publication by Jehovah's Witnesses.
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Also, AlexHis, even when one we think is a 'troll,' it's important to let the Lord lead you in your speech of calling someone that name who very well may be just not understanding the trinity that is Truth in it's very words that the verses of the bible state, truth-fully, though, never is the word 'trinity' mentioned in Scripture. Alas, the words give away the Truth of the trinity, the triune nature of God, in it's pages. God, Jesus, Holy Spirit are One
JW's words in Watchtower speak of Jesus as a prophet, not as God, hence, we have those of that religion not believing in God, who is Jesus, who is the Holy Spirit, of everything in life, and, all around from the beginning of time, one the same, all, was, were, will be forevermore One, AlexHis, milady
Awake, too, is a publication by Jehovah's Witnesses.
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Also, AlexHis, even when one we think is a 'troll,' it's important to let the Lord lead you in your speech of calling someone that name who very well may be just not understanding the trinity that is Truth in it's very words that the verses of the bible state, truth-fully, though, never is the word 'trinity' mentioned in Scripture. Alas, the words give away the Truth of the trinity, the triune nature of God, in it's pages. God, Jesus, Holy Spirit are One
I tried being nice I tried everything and I've never had anyone ever be that mean to me and maybe that means I'm just lucky... I won't say anything to him at all anymore. I really did get upset and cry cause way earlier he told me I didn't know God and was rebelling against Him. I tried asking what it meant and he just kept repeating that I was bad.
Thats what this thread is about then Johovas Witnesses don't believe in the trinity?
I was confused cause I thought everyone who believed in Jesus believed that God Jesus and The Holy Spirit were three in one the trinity. Now I get the question..
Again sorry I kept talking to Pilgrim... It was wrong of me
Isdaniel,
Do you really know what taking GOD's or the name of Jesus Christ in vain REALLY IS?
John 14:15 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
1 John 2:4-5 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him;
[SUP]5 [/SUP] but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him:
1 John 5:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.
Do you really know what taking GOD's or the name of Jesus Christ in vain REALLY IS?
John 14:15 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
1 John 2:4-5 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him;
[SUP]5 [/SUP] but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him:
1 John 5:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.
First sorry for my negative involvement in that name calling thing that went on here.
Second I'm learning a lot and you are kind and helpful so can I ask what you believe about Jesus and The Holy Spirit?
I am aware you don't believe in the trinity but I'm not sure I understand what you believe. Please know I respect your view and am genuinely interested in your response
Plus I'd like to get your thread back on subject!
Second I'm learning a lot and you are kind and helpful so can I ask what you believe about Jesus and The Holy Spirit?
I am aware you don't believe in the trinity but I'm not sure I understand what you believe. Please know I respect your view and am genuinely interested in your response
Plus I'd like to get your thread back on subject!
[h=3]Genesis 18[/h]King James Version (KJV)
1 And the Lord appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,
3 And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:
4 Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree:
5 And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort ye your hearts; after that ye shall pass on: for therefore are ye come to your servant. And they said, So do, as thou hast said.
6 And Abraham hastened into the tent unto Sarah, and said, Make ready quickly three measures of fine meal, knead it, and make cakes upon the hearth.
7 And Abraham ran unto the herd, and fetcht a calf tender and good, and gave it unto a young man; and he hasted to dress it.
8 And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.
1 And the Lord appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,
3 And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:
4 Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree:
5 And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort ye your hearts; after that ye shall pass on: for therefore are ye come to your servant. And they said, So do, as thou hast said.
6 And Abraham hastened into the tent unto Sarah, and said, Make ready quickly three measures of fine meal, knead it, and make cakes upon the hearth.
7 And Abraham ran unto the herd, and fetcht a calf tender and good, and gave it unto a young man; and he hasted to dress it.
8 And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.
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That's OK, we are human, we err all the time, AlexHis, all of us, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, that's not just one sin for some and many sins by others, that's all of us, all sinning at different times. But, the precious blood of Jesus covers us ALL "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins.' 1 John 1:9
And, one verse prior:
1 John 1:8 : He who says he is without sin deceives himself.
But, you're speaking from your heart, the Holy Spirit leads those who have Him in them, have received Him in their having chosen Jesus as Saviour and Lord of their life .
God and Jesus are One. To say that it is God the Father and God the Son is OK, but, KNOW that God and Jesus are One, they are two different forms of the ONE, true God. There are not two Gods that we are to worship. We are to worship God (singular) as Scripture teaches us. We are to worship 'no other gods,' as Scripture tells us too .
But, hey, no, don't feel like the Lord is leading you away from pilgrim's, unless He is, I am saying to follow Him. You spoke in love in what you said to pp except troll comment, maybe, but, I believe, you said that in love too, with no ill intent from your heart. I don't know. PP don't know. No one knows, but you and God, for God, as I said above, is the only one who knows our hearts, what we truly, deeply think when we say things, do things, in our lives.
God bless you for speaking the words God puts on your heart ! Never stop following Him, He will LEAD you to help others in life, in what capacity, I don't know, only He knows, but YOU GO and follow Him and, most certainly, He will have you, like The Great Commission states in Matthew 28.
The Great Commission
16Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins.' 1 John 1:9And, one verse prior:
1 John 1:8 : He who says he is without sin deceives himself.
But, you're speaking from your heart, the Holy Spirit leads those who have Him in them, have received Him in their having chosen Jesus as Saviour and Lord of their life .
God and Jesus are One. To say that it is God the Father and God the Son is OK, but, KNOW that God and Jesus are One, they are two different forms of the ONE, true God. There are not two Gods that we are to worship. We are to worship God (singular) as Scripture teaches us. We are to worship 'no other gods,' as Scripture tells us too .
But, hey, no, don't feel like the Lord is leading you away from pilgrim's, unless He is, I am saying to follow Him. You spoke in love in what you said to pp except troll comment, maybe, but, I believe, you said that in love too, with no ill intent from your heart. I don't know. PP don't know. No one knows, but you and God, for God, as I said above, is the only one who knows our hearts, what we truly, deeply think when we say things, do things, in our lives.
God bless you for speaking the words God puts on your heart ! Never stop following Him, He will LEAD you to help others in life, in what capacity, I don't know, only He knows, but YOU GO and follow Him and, most certainly, He will have you, like The Great Commission states in Matthew 28.
The Great Commission
16Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
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NO, HE IS INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO SAY WHAT HE MEANS AND MEANS WHAT HE SAYS:
Matthew 28:19 (HCSB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name {singular NOT plural} of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
John 10:30 (NKJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] I and My Father are one."
John 14:9-11 (NKJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.
2 Corinthians 5:19 (NKJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
NO, HE IS INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO SAY WHAT HE MEANS AND MEANS WHAT HE SAYS:
Matthew 28:19 (HCSB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name {singular NOT plural} of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
John 10:30 (NKJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] I and My Father are one."
John 14:9-11 (NKJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.
2 Corinthians 5:19 (NKJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
Let see then if you are right and i am wrong
John 17
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
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