This denotes his origination before he became a man. Elsewhere he says "I came from God" and "I am from above." The "I" refers to himself as a man. You are trying to make out he is in two places at once. On earth as a man, and in heaven, as God, for God's living space is heaven in unapproachable light.
There Are Many Scriptures That Disprove The Trinity
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No, God the FAther and God the Son are literally, One, they will be two distinct persons to see in heaven, sitting on TWO thrones, for the bible tells us so, Joshers, but they are One . "I and the Father are one.' They are one, and, this is not just in mind, it's in body, too, it's in everything of their form, they are One 
One God . Jesus is going to be sitting at the right hand of the Father, this is true, Scripture does not lie. But, He who is Jesus, is, make NO mistake, the everlasting God of the beginning of time, in fact, before time had a beginning.
Trinity describes God, three persons, the 'Godhead,' it's not needing the word in Scripture, for the words in Scripture prove that God the Father, God the Son, and, the Holy Spirit are One. Numerous times. The words are there; they are One.
Keep in mind, God brought Jesus to Earth via the Holy Spirit 'seed' put in Mary's womb, that took no sperm, and, no egg, to be conceived, to show us Himself, from birth to death to RESURRECTION, even. He was in a form that we humans could ALL understand, He was our OWN form
He walked the Earth and taught of great things, performed great acts, spoke of great things to come, 'deathly' great, as in 'Great is the Lord' great Jesus is part of God, therefore, He SITS AT THE RIGHT HAND OF God. He's there, Jesus is real, you will see His real after you die, but, Jesus, too, is, indeed, God, ruler and maker of everything. And, don't forget that Jesus came to Earth to show us The Way home which is through Him to His Father in heaven, so, God came to Earth in spirit form, and, become man, but was, still, fully man and fully God, but, was showing us His compassion and care for mankind, and, don't forget, His Love for us all, by this act, that culminated in the greatest act of all, that God HAD to do so that we would no longer be SEPERATED by Him, giving Himself up on the cross through His Son's propitiation for ALL our sins. We are ALL covered by His precious blood that makes us one with Christ, having died to ourself and having He in us and us in Him
Great IS our God in heaven, whom Jesus did nothing on Earth without His authority, who is Jesus, who is God, who is, yes, who is the Holy Spirit, too, inside us.
Our loving, compassionate, understanding, merciful, gracious, faithful Saviour, whom we put our hope in, for salvation, to one day, show us Himself, for our believing in Him, with all our heart, mind, body, soul, having followed Him, all the days of our lives on Earth, before we, then, see Him in heaven on His Great White Throne, rewarding those who chose Him
One God . Jesus is going to be sitting at the right hand of the Father, this is true, Scripture does not lie. But, He who is Jesus, is, make NO mistake, the everlasting God of the beginning of time, in fact, before time had a beginning.
Trinity describes God, three persons, the 'Godhead,' it's not needing the word in Scripture, for the words in Scripture prove that God the Father, God the Son, and, the Holy Spirit are One. Numerous times. The words are there; they are One.
Keep in mind, God brought Jesus to Earth via the Holy Spirit 'seed' put in Mary's womb, that took no sperm, and, no egg, to be conceived, to show us Himself, from birth to death to RESURRECTION, even. He was in a form that we humans could ALL understand, He was our OWN form
He walked the Earth and taught of great things, performed great acts, spoke of great things to come, 'deathly' great, as in 'Great is the Lord' great
Jesus is part of God, therefore, He SITS AT THE RIGHT HAND OF God. He's there, Jesus is real, you will see His real after you die, but, Jesus, too, is, indeed, God, ruler and maker of everything. And, don't forget that Jesus came to Earth to show us The Way home which is through Him to His Father in heaven, so, God came to Earth in spirit form, and, become man, but was, still, fully man and fully God, but, was showing us His compassion and care for mankind, and, don't forget, His Love for us all, by this act, that culminated in the greatest act of all, that God HAD to do so that we would no longer be SEPERATED by Him, giving Himself up on the cross through His Son's propitiation for ALL our sins. We are ALL covered by His precious blood that makes us one with Christ, having died to ourself and having He in us and us in Him Great IS our God in heaven, whom Jesus did nothing on Earth without His authority, who is Jesus, who is God, who is, yes, who is the Holy Spirit, too, inside us.
Our loving, compassionate, understanding, merciful, gracious, faithful Saviour, whom we put our hope in, for salvation, to one day, show us Himself, for our believing in Him, with all our heart, mind, body, soul, having followed Him, all the days of our lives on Earth, before we, then, see Him in heaven on His Great White Throne, rewarding those who chose Him
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yes and no.............what it is is that Jesus is telling people who He is........He is God, God the Son......who took upon Himself the form of man to bring God the Father's salvation plan to earth for mankind.......Jesus also says "I and my Father are ONE."
"If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father......" and more.........Jesus while on earth in the form of man was "fully God," and "fully man." Hard to understand ain't it? Well, not for God............
Jesus said........... "only believe." Google only believe and read His words.........Saved by Grace and that by FAITH.........Faith, belief, they are necessary and they will allow us to accept the words of Jesus without all the need for the "wisdom" of man to interpret His words for us..........
Ah, but now, that's only my
"If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father......" and more.........Jesus while on earth in the form of man was "fully God," and "fully man." Hard to understand ain't it? Well, not for God............
Jesus said........... "only believe." Google only believe and read His words.........Saved by Grace and that by FAITH.........Faith, belief, they are necessary and they will allow us to accept the words of Jesus without all the need for the "wisdom" of man to interpret His words for us..........
Ah, but now, that's only my
A little reading for folks to do. Full Article found here:
How can one God be three persons? • ChristianAnswers.Net
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The doctrine of the Trinity — that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are each equally and eternally the one true God — is admittedly difficult to comprehend, and yet is the very foundation of Christian truth. Although skeptics may ridicule it as a mathematical impossibility, it is nevertheless a basic doctrine of Scripture as well as profoundly realistic in both universal experience and in the scientific understanding of the cosmos.
How can one God be three persons? • ChristianAnswers.Net
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The doctrine of the Trinity — that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are each equally and eternally the one true God — is admittedly difficult to comprehend, and yet is the very foundation of Christian truth. Although skeptics may ridicule it as a mathematical impossibility, it is nevertheless a basic doctrine of Scripture as well as profoundly realistic in both universal experience and in the scientific understanding of the cosmos.
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n)n.1. a. The act of manifesting.
b. The state of being manifested.
2. An indication of the existence, reality, or presence of something: A high fever is an early manifestation of the disease.
3. a. One of the forms in which someone or something, such as a person, a divine being, or an idea, is revealed.
b. The materialized form of a spirit.
b. The state of being manifested.
2. An indication of the existence, reality, or presence of something: A high fever is an early manifestation of the disease.
3. a. One of the forms in which someone or something, such as a person, a divine being, or an idea, is revealed.
b. The materialized form of a spirit.
Only ridiculous for those who cannot comprehend it................Jesus never "emptied" Himself of His Godliness or Godly power while here on earth.........this idea is "just ridiculous" for it shows a lack of knowledge of Scripture........
Oh, goodness.............."IT IS A MATHEMATICAL IMPOSIBILITY" eh? Well, that in and of itself reveal how ridiculous your ideology is...........God is not now, nor ever has been, nor ever will be BOUND by mathematical possibilities......Goodness, you would think people would read His Word a wee bit more. Oh well, some teach such as you, but that doesn't make it Biblical Truth does it.............
[h=3]Jesus is fully God[/h]An early Christian profession of faith exclaims that "Jesus Christ is Lord" (Romans 10:9). Here are two truths about Jesus. First, he is Christ, a title equivalent to the Hebrew term Messiah, meaning "the anointed one." By calling him Christ, early Christians acknowledged that Jesus is greater than any human being (see Mark 8:27-30) and that he is the one sent by God to rescue us.
Second, though in Jewish thought the Messiah might be a great man, Christians called Jesus "Lord" (kyrios in Greek). They used this word in their translations of the Old Testament for God's personal name (YHWH in Hebrew). Although kyrios could be used to mean master or sir, Jews and Christians refused to acknowledge the Roman emperor as "the Lord" (in an absolute sense, which is the way the emperor wanted it) because only God was "the Lord." Yet Jesus was called Lord, even the Lord.
In Philippians 2, Jesus is said to be "in very nature God" (verse 6); and is to be worshiped as Lord: "At the name of Jesus every knee should bow ... and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord" (verses 10-11). This statement paraphrases Isaiah 45:23, where God speaks of himself. God alone is to be worshiped, and when Christians call Jesus Lord, they proclaim him to be God.
The New Testament continuously insists that Jesus Christ is God:
Second, though in Jewish thought the Messiah might be a great man, Christians called Jesus "Lord" (kyrios in Greek). They used this word in their translations of the Old Testament for God's personal name (YHWH in Hebrew). Although kyrios could be used to mean master or sir, Jews and Christians refused to acknowledge the Roman emperor as "the Lord" (in an absolute sense, which is the way the emperor wanted it) because only God was "the Lord." Yet Jesus was called Lord, even the Lord.
In Philippians 2, Jesus is said to be "in very nature God" (verse 6); and is to be worshiped as Lord: "At the name of Jesus every knee should bow ... and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord" (verses 10-11). This statement paraphrases Isaiah 45:23, where God speaks of himself. God alone is to be worshiped, and when Christians call Jesus Lord, they proclaim him to be God.
The New Testament continuously insists that Jesus Christ is God:
- He was God before he was born in the flesh: "In the beginning was the Word ... and the Word was God" (John 1:1).
- After his human birth he continued to be God. On earth, Jesus forgave sins (Mark 2:5-7), something only God can do. He claimed divinity (John 8:58) and thus equality with God (John 10:28-30). These claims led to charges of blasphemy (Matthew 26:63-66) and death by crucifixion.
- After his resurrection, he continues to be God. Thomas called the risen Jesus "My Lord and my God" (John 20:28).
- The author of Hebrews, quoting Psalm 104, says of Jesus, "Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever" (Hebrews 1:8).
Full Article found here:
The Dual Nature of Jesus Christ | Grace Communion International
Luke 9:28) And it came to pass about an eight days after these sayings, he took Peter and John and James, and went up into a mountain to pray.
29 .) And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering.
30 .) And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias:
31 .) Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.
32 .) But Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep: and when they were awake, they saw his glory, and the two men that stood with him.
33 .) And it came to pass, as they departed from him, Peter said unto Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias: not knowing what he said.
34 .) While he thus spake, there came a cloud, and overshadowed them: and they feared as they entered into the cloud.
35 .) And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.
36 .) And when the voice was past, Jesus was found alone. And they kept it close, and told no man in those days any of those things which they had seen.
Scriptural evidence that Jesus retained His Godly power even while He was fully man............
29 .) And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering.
30 .) And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias:
31 .) Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.
32 .) But Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep: and when they were awake, they saw his glory, and the two men that stood with him.
33 .) And it came to pass, as they departed from him, Peter said unto Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias: not knowing what he said.
34 .) While he thus spake, there came a cloud, and overshadowed them: and they feared as they entered into the cloud.
35 .) And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.
36 .) And when the voice was past, Jesus was found alone. And they kept it close, and told no man in those days any of those things which they had seen.
Scriptural evidence that Jesus retained His Godly power even while He was fully man............
Wouldn't hurt to brush up on some much needed understandings either.......
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b. The act of claiming for oneself the attributes and rights of God.
2. An irreverent or impious act, attitude, or utterance in regard to something considered inviolable or sacrosanct.
No, God the FAther and God the Son are literally, One, they will be two distinct persons to see in heaven, sitting on TWO thrones, for the bible tells us so, Joshers, but they are One . "I and the Father are one.' They are one, and, this is not just in mind, it's in body, too, it's in everything of their form, they are One
One God . Jesus is going to be sitting at the right hand of the Father, this is true, Scripture does not lie. But, He who is Jesus, is, make NO mistake, the everlasting God of the beginning of time, in fact, before time had a beginning.
Trinity describes God, three persons, the 'Godhead,' it's not needing the word in Scripture, for the words in Scripture prove that God the Father, God the Son, and, the Holy Spirit are One. Numerous times. The words are there; they are One.
Keep in mind, God brought Jesus to Earth via the Holy Spirit 'seed' put in Mary's womb, that took no sperm, and, no egg, to be conceived, to show us Himself, from birth to death to RESURRECTION, even. He was in a form that we humans could ALL understand, He was our OWN form
He walked the Earth and taught of great things, performed great acts, spoke of great things to come, 'deathly' great, as in 'Great is the Lord' great Jesus is part of God, therefore, He SITS AT THE RIGHT HAND OF God. He's there, Jesus is real, you will see His real after you die, but, Jesus, too, is, indeed, God, ruler and maker of everything. And, don't forget that Jesus came to Earth to show us The Way home which is through Him to His Father in heaven, so, God came to Earth in spirit form, and, become man, but was, still, fully man and fully God, but, was showing us His compassion and care for mankind, and, don't forget, His Love for us all, by this act, that culminated in the greatest act of all, that God HAD to do so that we would no longer be SEPERATED by Him, giving Himself up on the cross through His Son's propitiation for ALL our sins. We are ALL covered by His precious blood that makes us one with Christ, having died to ourself and having He in us and us in Him
Great IS our God in heaven, whom Jesus did nothing on Earth without His authority, who is Jesus, who is God, who is, yes, who is the Holy Spirit, too, inside us.
Our loving, compassionate, understanding, merciful, gracious, faithful Saviour, whom we put our hope in, for salvation, to one day, show us Himself, for our believing in Him, with all our heart, mind, body, soul, having followed Him, all the days of our lives on Earth, before we, then, see Him in heaven on His Great White Throne, rewarding those who chose Him
One God . Jesus is going to be sitting at the right hand of the Father, this is true, Scripture does not lie. But, He who is Jesus, is, make NO mistake, the everlasting God of the beginning of time, in fact, before time had a beginning.
Trinity describes God, three persons, the 'Godhead,' it's not needing the word in Scripture, for the words in Scripture prove that God the Father, God the Son, and, the Holy Spirit are One. Numerous times. The words are there; they are One.
Keep in mind, God brought Jesus to Earth via the Holy Spirit 'seed' put in Mary's womb, that took no sperm, and, no egg, to be conceived, to show us Himself, from birth to death to RESURRECTION, even. He was in a form that we humans could ALL understand, He was our OWN form
He walked the Earth and taught of great things, performed great acts, spoke of great things to come, 'deathly' great, as in 'Great is the Lord' great
Jesus is part of God, therefore, He SITS AT THE RIGHT HAND OF God. He's there, Jesus is real, you will see His real after you die, but, Jesus, too, is, indeed, God, ruler and maker of everything. And, don't forget that Jesus came to Earth to show us The Way home which is through Him to His Father in heaven, so, God came to Earth in spirit form, and, become man, but was, still, fully man and fully God, but, was showing us His compassion and care for mankind, and, don't forget, His Love for us all, by this act, that culminated in the greatest act of all, that God HAD to do so that we would no longer be SEPERATED by Him, giving Himself up on the cross through His Son's propitiation for ALL our sins. We are ALL covered by His precious blood that makes us one with Christ, having died to ourself and having He in us and us in Him Great IS our God in heaven, whom Jesus did nothing on Earth without His authority, who is Jesus, who is God, who is, yes, who is the Holy Spirit, too, inside us.
Our loving, compassionate, understanding, merciful, gracious, faithful Saviour, whom we put our hope in, for salvation, to one day, show us Himself, for our believing in Him, with all our heart, mind, body, soul, having followed Him, all the days of our lives on Earth, before we, then, see Him in heaven on His Great White Throne, rewarding those who chose Him
Thank you for saying what I could not put into words