There WILL be a Rapture… Ready?

[cv5]

This part made me... smile.


FWIW, I've been saying for several years (in posts here at CC) that I believe we are [and have been] in "the seven good years" which precede "the 7 bad/famine years [i.e. the Trib]" (like in the example of Joseph's 7 good years before the 7-year famine, Gen41:14-28, esp. vv.26-27).

And this is based more on the biblical math (so to speak) rather than on what we view going on in the world around us.



Here are just a couple of those posts:

-- Post #7 - https://christianchat.com/threads/t...-left-until-the-year-6000.194147/post-4344407


-- Post #15 - https://christianchat.com/threads/d...l-witness-the-end-of-time.201780/post-4671517



So, as you can see (based on my previous posts, even), I believe it will take place much sooner than "18-years away from now." Yeah, MUCH sooner.

But I find when I speak with others about it, I find a common thread among them: most people I've ever discussed this with, in person (one on one), and over the near 50 years of talking with people about this, most feel comfortable with [their] idea of it being "15 years" from now. Consistently. It's a funny thing I've noticed.

To better understand the magnitude of the Babel disaster, we COULD delve into plasma physics, Richtmyer-Meshkov instabilities, Mach angles, resultant superimposed waveforms and whatnot.

But frankly, I really do not think it would bolster anyone's faith nor edify the Church in any meaningful way.

For kicks you could read up on the "squatter man" petroglyphs. And study the very ancient megalithic cities (unequalled by latter civilizations) and why there is little to no record of their demise. And yes, the Giza complex and Sphynx are VERY ancient. Built with technology that the latter (Biblical) Egyptians simply did not possess. Flawlessly fabricated and polished utterly gigantic granite statuary is practically impossible even to this present day.

And that 10,000-ish BC number keeps cropping up. Again and again.

Oh yes.....and then there is this:
Not human. Definitely not human.

 

[Lafftur]

The false prophet and antichrist are following almost the same script as Jesus Christ and John the Baptist.

- Mothers will be cousins.

- false prophet and antichrist will be second cousins born 6 months apart.

- Astrological sign of the birth of the antichrist.

- Jesus Christ was born in Bethlehem but the antichrist is born in Syria… he is the Assyrian spoken of by Isaiah.

- The antichrist flees Syria 1 to 2 years after his birth to Egypt because of a great slaughter in Syria… remember the Syrian Refugees crisis in 2013/2014…

- Then, it’s quiet until he turns 12 years old and has to be about his father’s business.

- Then, it’s quiet again until he turns 30 years old and suddenly enters the public arena…

- John the Baptist announced Jesus Christ; the false will announce the antichrist…. it will be the year 2042/2043.

 

[cv5]

The false prophet and antichrist are following almost the same script as Jesus Christ and John the Baptist.

- Mothers will be cousins.

- false prophet and antichrist will be second cousins born 6 months apart.

- Astrological sign of the birth of the antichrist.

- Jesus Christ was born in Bethlehem but the antichrist is born in Syria… he is the Assyrian spoken of by Isaiah.

- The antichrist flees Syria 1 to 2 years after his birth to Egypt because of a great slaughter in Syria… remember the Syrian Refugees crisis in 2013/2014…

- Then, it’s quiet until he turns 12 years old and has to be about his father’s business.

- Then, it’s quiet again until he turns 30 years old and suddenly enters the public arena…

- John the Baptist announced Jesus Christ; the false will announce the antichrist…. it will be the year 2042/2043.

I think that you are on to something there......

 

[cv5]

The false prophet and antichrist are following almost the same script as Jesus Christ and John the Baptist.

- Mothers will be cousins.

- false prophet and antichrist will be second cousins born 6 months apart.

- Astrological sign of the birth of the antichrist.

- Jesus Christ was born in Bethlehem but the antichrist is born in Syria… he is the Assyrian spoken of by Isaiah.

- The antichrist flees Syria 1 to 2 years after his birth to Egypt because of a great slaughter in Syria… remember the Syrian Refugees crisis in 2013/2014…

- Then, it’s quiet until he turns 12 years old and has to be about his father’s business.

- Then, it’s quiet again until he turns 30 years old and suddenly enters the public arena…

- John the Baptist announced Jesus Christ; the false will announce the antichrist…. it will be the year 2042/2043.

Evidently he will be an Israelite. The AC will be the "greater Judas", the primary type. Also the greater Saul, who is a lesser type.
The Jews would only receive an Israelite IMO.

Jhn 5:43
I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another G243 shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
(G243: allos - another of the same kind, expressing a numerical difference)

Dan 11:37
Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all

 

[Omegatime]

Yep. Very close.
However, to attempt a count from creation day? Well.....that is just not going to work, because using Ussher's chronology is pretty much useless I'm afraid.

But counting from the Ascension via Hosea 5 & 6 ? Sure. Definitely. But with windage.

Pastor Chronister is adamant about a divine pattern of "6" and then the "7". To which I agree in principle. But how this typology functions in the real world with respect to creation I cannot yet understand.

Because of this.....

Archbishop Ussher: Flood of Noah ended 2348 BC
Any version of the Bible: Abraham born 2322 BC
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Difference 26 years

There were great kingdoms in the world at the time of Abraham. Far greater than even a couple of hundred years of would allow given that here were 8 people alive after the flood. But merely a 26 years gap is patently absurd. To gain perspective, recall that 70 souls entered Egypt, and it took 430 years to generate a couple of million people. This with very high birth rates.

Even a slightly later date for the birth of Abraham (strictly using the 1 Kings 1:6 figure of 480 years) still yields a date far too close to the supposed date of the flood calculated by Ussher. All that is gained is.......113 years. Not close to enough.

Using the Vorlage/LXX gains over a thousand years from the time of the flood to Abraham......so this may indeed be plausible. But doing so SUPPOSEDLY ruins the "6" and 7th" typology that everyone demands.

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Complete NONESENSE
Abraham was the 9th generation after the flood. Only 26 years is a fantasy

You quoted Ussher-I am within 3 years of that date

Abraham born 2052 BC or 1948 from creation

 

[Omegatime]

Evidently he will be an Israelite. The AC will be the "greater Judas", the primary type. Also the greater Saul, who is a lesser type.
The Jews would only receive an Israelite IMO.

Jhn 5:43
I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another G243 shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
(G243: allos - another of the same kind, expressing a numerical difference)

Dan 11:37
Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all

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One of the few things you are correct about but he will not be a " greater Judas "

He will come from the Tribe of Dan and leapt from Bashan


Gen.49:16 Dan shall judge his people as one of the tribes of Israel.

 

[cv5]

Abraham born 2052 BC or 1948 from creation

Not accurate. Sorry.
It is quite a simple matter to deduce the year of the birth of Abraham.

It is a much more complicated effort to find the "missing" 113 years noted in Acts and Judges that differs from the IDEALIZED sum of 480 years noted in 1 Ki 6:1.

https://av1611.com/forums/showpost.php?p=23974&postcount=4

All totalled.....we are definitely at a date somewhat earlier than 2300 BC.
In fact we can narrow the year down to well within 5 years or so.

BTW, the date of the Exodus (using the same techniques) arrives at 1605 BC. Much earlier than most people realize.

 

[Omegatime]

Not accurate. Sorry.
It is quite a simple matter to deduce the year of the birth of Abraham.

It is a much more complicated effort to find the "missing" 113 years noted in Acts and Judges that differs from the IDEALIZED sum of 480 years noted in 1 Ki 6:1.

https://av1611.com/forums/showpost.php?p=23974&postcount=4

All totalled.....we are definitely at a date somewhat earlier than 2300 BC.
In fact we can narrow the year down to well within 5 years or so.

BTW, the date of the Exodus (using the same techniques) arrives at 1605 BC. Much earlier than most people realize.

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Total Nonsense and you have no idea what you are talking about----

Exodus date was 2553 or 1447 BC

 

[cv5]

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Complete NONESENSE
Abraham was the 9th generation after the flood. Only 26 years is a fantasy

You quoted Ussher-I am within 3 years of that date

Abraham born 2052 BC or 1948 from creation

What is your estimate for the total population of the earth at the time of Abraham?

 

[cv5]

Exodus date was 2553 or 1447 BC

Yes, most Bibles quote that erroneous figure. I guess they just keep copying and pasting ROFL.

If you care to actually do the readings, you will find out that I am correct.

Start here buddy:

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"A base-line is needed to anchor any scheme of chronology: a date upon which everyone agrees. One date that is usually uncontroverted is the destruction of the Jerusalem Temple by King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon in 586 BC ± 1 year. There in Babylon as a captive, the prophet Ezekiel in 4:1-5 records that Israel's idolatry had lasted 390 years from the kingdom division unto the fall of Jerusalem. This places the division of the kingdom as 976 BC ± 1 year at Solomon's death.

It is possible to cross-check that from the Scriptures. If the king lists in 1 and 2 Kings are taken at face value, using only the stated co-regencies and inter-regnal periods, then one can readily conclude that 390 years have indeed elapsed from the Kingdom Division to the destruction of the Temple. That is done chapter and verse in my handbook 'Creation and Catastrophe' page 74, and is reproduced here in the appended Table 1. Alternatively, a Scriptural authority such as Dr. J. Sidlow Baxter also confirms the calculation (see 'Explore the Book', Lesson 35, pp.120-121, Zondervan). He concludes that the Division occurred in 975 BC, in good agreement with the 976 BC ± 1 year stated above.

Now Solomon reigned for 40 years, and the Temple building started in his 4th year. If 36 years are now added to 976 BC, the date for the commencement of the Temple becomes 1012 BC ± 6 years.

There is another way to check the date of the commencement of the Temple construction. The total time from the start of Solomon's Temple to the time of its destruction by Nebuchadnezzar can be calculated as [1012 - 586] = 426 years. The Monarchy of the Hebrews lasted from King Saul's enthronement to the Temple destruction. This period may thus be asserted as [40 + 40 + 4 + 426] = 510 years. Saul was thus made king in 1096 BC ± 6 years. It is of interest to note that Dr. Lawrence Duff-Forbes, that great scholar of Scripture and things Jewish, actually lists the crowning of Saul as being in 1096 BC. He states from his studies that there was a resultant 510 years for the inception of the Monarchy to the Temple destruction (see 'The Vineyard', July 1991, p.3). Thus, Dr. Sidlow Baxter and Dr. Duff-Forbes reinforce the conclusion that is displayed in Table 1."

 

[Omegatime]

Sorry cv5, more garbage from someone I regard as a heretic.

 

[cv5]

Sorry cv5, more garbage from someone I regard as a heretic.

But he can do the math. He is a professional astronomer after all.

And no, I definitely do not agree with all of his views. But there definitely is some value there.

 

[cv5]

From what I understand, the Babel disaster was.....utterly immense.
FYI, the book of Job (events occurring some time after Peleg.....six generations if I recall) has a very clear record of catastrophic events. Very VERY interesting.

Sorry....mean to say six generations from SHEM.
One generation from Peleg. Joktan is Pelegs brother. Job is Joktans son.
So the Peleg disaster was in full swing at the time of Job.