There will be no Rapture!!!

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

cv5

Well-known member
Nov 20, 2018
22,696
8,231
113
I set the bar low on this one (very low). Nevertheless, I now see that I have greatly overestimated your abilities and understanding.
 

Genez

Junior Member
Oct 12, 2017
2,746
400
83
Greetings… I don’t see a rapture in scripture, the Bible clearly states that there will be Christians during the tribulation.
There will be *believers* during the Tribulation.

And, no more Christian evangelists.
Only Jewish evangelists... 144,000 of them.

Why are we not seeing the church commanded to evangelize during those days???


Revelation 7:3-8​
“Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees,” he said. “Wait until we mark with this seal the foreheads of those who serve our God.” Then I heard how many people were marked with the seal. There were 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.
From the tribe of Judah, 12,000 were marked with the seal.
From the tribe of Reuben, 12,000.
From the tribe of Gad, 12,000.
From the tribe of Asher, 12,000.
From the tribe of Naphtali, 12,000.
From the tribe of Manasseh, 12,000.
From the tribe of Simeon, 12,000.
From the tribe of Levi, 12,000.
From the tribe of Issachar, 12,000.
From the tribe of Zebulun, 12,000.
From the tribe of Joseph, 12,000.
From the tribe of Benjamin, 12,000.


Which tribe was Billy Graham from?
What about D.L. Moody?

Use logic. Not emotion.


.......
 

Genez

Junior Member
Oct 12, 2017
2,746
400
83
I set the bar low on this one (very low). Nevertheless, I now see that I have greatly overestimated your abilities and understanding.
The only place ever I saw the bar set low was at a saloon in Munchkin city.

 

brmicke

Senior Member
Sep 6, 2012
291
6
18
One of the words means "Lie down" and the other means "to sleep".

This progression is like my Childhood prayer -

"Now I lay me down to sleep".
Laying down is the first step before falling asleep.
 

cv5

Well-known member
Nov 20, 2018
22,696
8,231
113
Here you go man....the right answer. But not even close to a complete answer. Which would take an eternity.....literally.
And of course, all of this is prophetic, and points to the tribulation and Second Coming.

https://christianchat.com/threads/ukraine-the-bad-guy.209784/post-5263948

The 10 kings who remain after the tribulation wars give their power to the AC only AFTER he is resurrected from the dead (deadly head wound healed). Only then do they submit. Because the AC is now (by their perception anyways) "unkillable". So unkillable that this end-time confederacy BELIEVES that they can actually go to war with YHVH and win. A Satanic deception of course......they all die.
The persecution of the Saints/Israel rapidly accelerates after Satan indwells the AC (mid-trib), who then becomes vastly powerful.
You either take the mark of the beast or are executed. Resistance means death. All world governments assist in this pogrom.

Rev 13:4
And they worshiped the dragon, for he had given his authority to the beast, and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who can fight against it?”

The AC is the "greater Goliath". This Gol of Gath was killed and beheaded by David. David then buried his head at Jerusalem, at the location known afterward as GOLGATHA.

1Sa 17:54
And David took the head of the Philistine, and brought it to Jerusalem; but he put his armour in his tent.

Mar 15:22
And they bring him unto the place Golgotha, which is, being interpreted, The place of a skull.

This Golgatha is the EXACT PLACE that Jesus Christ CHOSE to be crucified. In an eternal proclamation of His defeat of the wicked one and his armies, fulfilling Gen 3:15.
 

Genez

Junior Member
Oct 12, 2017
2,746
400
83
Here you go man....the right answer. But not even close to a complete answer. Which would take an eternity.....literally.
Only would take an eternity if?

Only take an eternity if those who are adept (inspired) in finding ways to deny and deflect, were not eliminated.


There will be the Rapture.

.............
 

Genez

Junior Member
Oct 12, 2017
2,746
400
83
Laying down is the first step before falling asleep.
When you sleep your soul is still very active.
For example..
Inspired dreams from God can be actively experienced in your soul while sleeping.

But, when you sleep?
What happens?
You cease being 'body conscious.'

When a Christian dies he becomes absent from the body and face to face with the Lord.

That is why it is said about believers who have left this earth, that they 'sleep.'
For the soul never died when its a believer.
 

cv5

Well-known member
Nov 20, 2018
22,696
8,231
113
Here you go man....the right answer. But not even close to a complete answer. Which would take an eternity.....literally.
And of course, all of this is prophetic, and points to the tribulation and Second Coming.

https://christianchat.com/threads/ukraine-the-bad-guy.209784/post-5263948

The 10 kings who remain after the tribulation wars give their power to the AC only AFTER he is resurrected from the dead (deadly head wound healed). Only then do they submit. Because the AC is now (by their perception anyways) "unkillable". So unkillable that this end-time confederacy BELIEVES that they can actually go to war with YHVH and win. A Satanic deception of course......they all die.
The persecution of the Saints/Israel rapidly accelerates after Satan indwells the AC (mid-trib), who then becomes vastly powerful.
You either take the mark of the beast or are executed. Resistance means death. All world governments assist in this pogrom.

Rev 13:4
And they worshiped the dragon, for he had given his authority to the beast, and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who can fight against it?”

The AC is the "greater Goliath". This Gol of Gath was killed and beheaded by David. David then buried his head at Jerusalem, at the location known afterward as GOLGATHA.

1Sa 17:54
And David took the head of the Philistine, and brought it to Jerusalem; but he put his armour in his tent.

Mar 15:22
And they bring him unto the place Golgotha, which is, being interpreted, The place of a skull.

This Golgatha is the EXACT PLACE that Jesus Christ CHOSE to be crucified. In an eternal proclamation of His defeat of the wicked one and his armies, fulfilling Gen 3:15.
Couple of notes:

All of this confirms that indeed Gol of Gath was a type of the seed of the serpent, a satan-man (like the AC will be), an inhuman Nephilim. As were the many other Nephilim giants in the Levant such as Og of Bashan, Ahiman, Sheshai, and Talmai, the descendants of Anak. Sihon the Amorite was also a giant.

It also catalogues and infers what was REALLY going on in the land of Caanan, and why God had to execute such severe judgments upon it.

So much for the Sethite Genesis 6 theory.
 

Genez

Junior Member
Oct 12, 2017
2,746
400
83
The AC is the "greater Goliath". This Gol of Gath was killed and beheaded by David. David then buried his head at Jerusalem, at the location known afterward as GOLGATHA.


It was customary in those days, when a war hero such as David killed a well known enemy,
that the hero would travel with the enemy's head... and when entering a new city
would be welcomed at such a sight to see. That head became the keys to the city, and was
held, in high honor of the one bearing the head.

David kept the head with him for quite sometime. And, he kept the armor of Goliath as well.

It does not say David buried the head in Jerusalem, though he might have eventually done so.
That theory about Golgatha sounds more like tradition and folk lore.



As Saul watched David going out to meet the Philistine, he said to Abner,
commander of the army, “Abner, whose son is that young man?”
Abner replied, “As surely as you live, Your Majesty, I don’t know.”
The king said, “Find out whose son this young man is.”
As soon as David returned from killing the Philistine, Abner took him
and brought him before Saul, with David still holding the Philistine’s head." 1 Samuel 17:55-57


David kept the head with him wherever he went! Even before the King!

And, also to be considered....



Golgotha, (from Latin calva: “bald head” or “skull”), skull-shaped hill in ancient Jerusalem,
the site of JesusCrucifixion. It is referred to in all four Gospels (Matthew 27:33, Mark 15:22,
Luke 23:33, and John 19:17). The hill of execution was outside the city walls of Jerusalem,
apparently near a road and not far from the sepulchre where Jesus was buried.


https://www.britannica.com/place/Golgotha


The meaning, "bald head," more likely referred to the appearance of a rock formation.


grace and peace ....................
 

cv5

Well-known member
Nov 20, 2018
22,696
8,231
113
It was customary in those days, when a war hero such as David killed a well known enemy,
that the hero would travel with the enemy's head... and when entering a new city
would be welcomed at such a sight to see. That head became the keys to the city, and was
held, in high honor of the one bearing the head.

David kept the head with him for quite sometime. And, he kept the armor of Goliath as well.

It does not say David buried the head in Jerusalem, though he might have eventually done so.
That theory about Golgatha sounds more like tradition and folk lore.



As Saul watched David going out to meet the Philistine, he said to Abner,
commander of the army, “Abner, whose son is that young man?”
Abner replied, “As surely as you live, Your Majesty, I don’t know.”
The king said, “Find out whose son this young man is.”
As soon as David returned from killing the Philistine, Abner took him
and brought him before Saul, with David still holding the Philistine’s head." 1 Samuel 17:55-57


David kept the head with him wherever he went! Even before the King!

And, also to be considered....



Golgotha, (from Latin calva: “bald head” or “skull”), skull-shaped hill in ancient Jerusalem,
the site of JesusCrucifixion. It is referred to in all four Gospels (Matthew 27:33, Mark 15:22,
Luke 23:33, and John 19:17). The hill of execution was outside the city walls of Jerusalem,
apparently near a road and not far from the sepulchre where Jesus was buried.


https://www.britannica.com/place/Golgotha


The meaning, "bald head," more likely referred to the appearance of a rock formation.


grace and peace ....................
Missing the utterly profound, and obviously intentional again are we?
Tragic.

And you failed to thank me for learning Biblical truths that you have never heard before in your entire life.
 

cv5

Well-known member
Nov 20, 2018
22,696
8,231
113
It was customary in those days, when a war hero such as David killed a well known enemy,
that the hero would travel with the enemy's head... and when entering a new city
would be welcomed at such a sight to see. That head became the keys to the city, and was
held, in high honor of the one bearing the head.

David kept the head with him for quite sometime. And, he kept the armor of Goliath as well.

It does not say David buried the head in Jerusalem, though he might have eventually done so.
That theory about Golgatha sounds more like tradition and folk lore.



As Saul watched David going out to meet the Philistine, he said to Abner,
commander of the army, “Abner, whose son is that young man?”
Abner replied, “As surely as you live, Your Majesty, I don’t know.”
The king said, “Find out whose son this young man is.”
As soon as David returned from killing the Philistine, Abner took him
and brought him before Saul, with David still holding the Philistine’s head." 1 Samuel 17:55-57


David kept the head with him wherever he went! Even before the King!

And, also to be considered....



Golgotha, (from Latin calva: “bald head” or “skull”), skull-shaped hill in ancient Jerusalem,
the site of JesusCrucifixion. It is referred to in all four Gospels (Matthew 27:33, Mark 15:22,
Luke 23:33, and John 19:17). The hill of execution was outside the city walls of Jerusalem,
apparently near a road and not far from the sepulchre where Jesus was buried.


https://www.britannica.com/place/Golgotha


The meaning, "bald head," more likely referred to the appearance of a rock formation.


grace and peace ....................
Gol of Gath.
Golgatha.
Place of the skull.

And you still don't get it? Wow man. Just wow.
 

Genez

Junior Member
Oct 12, 2017
2,746
400
83
Missing the utterly profound, and obviously intentional again are we?
Tragic.

And you failed to thank me for learning Biblical truths that you have never heard before in your entire life.
I learned about what I said from a Bible/scholar historian.
He was pastor-scholar having a strong military background (retired military) and knowledge and understanding of
the ways of ancient cultures of that day.

He was so qualified that he taught (by invite) at universities, and even at MIT for a conference which was sponsored by Christians
in the student body.

I am sorry to disappoint you.
I wish you would be willing to learn from a historical perspective.

I am just as guilty. For without being taught we lack knowledge of many things of the ancient cultures of Biblical times.
Unless we are well taught? Such a phenomena of having to guess an answer is to be expected

God raises up a a few with an ability to teach on such a level by those who crave it.

grace and peace ...............
 

Genez

Junior Member
Oct 12, 2017
2,746
400
83
Gol of Gath.
Golgatha.
Place of the skull.

And you still don't get it? Wow man. Just wow.
Golgotha, (from Latin calva: “bald head” or “skull”)
 

cv5

Well-known member
Nov 20, 2018
22,696
8,231
113
I learned about what I said from a Bible/scholar historian.
He was pastor-scholar having a strong military background (retired military) and knowledge and understanding of
the ways of ancient cultures of that day.

He was so qualified that he taught (by invite) at universities, and even at MIT for a conference which was sponsored by Christians
in the student body.

I am sorry to disappoint you.
I wish you would be willing to learn from a historical perspective.

I am just as guilty. For without being taught we lack knowledge of many things of the ancient cultures of Biblical times.
Unless we are well taught? Such a phenomena of having to guess an answer is to be expected

God raises up a a few with an ability to teach on such a level by those who crave it.

grace and peace ...............
Chronister would destroy this pretender. It wouldn't even be close. But it would be embarrassing.

But you are right........about me being consistently disappointed in your responses.
 

cv5

Well-known member
Nov 20, 2018
22,696
8,231
113
Golgotha, (from Latin calva: “bald head” or “skull”)
The Latin is useless. In fact the term Calvary is why the Church today has lost the intentional meaning of the better Aramaic place name Golgotha.

BUT.......the Herbrews NEVER forgot the origin of why that locations was thus named.
And there is absolutely no doubt whatsoever the Jesus absolutely KNEW as well (He Is omniscient God after all)......and chose this peculiar location to be crucified.
 

cv5

Well-known member
Nov 20, 2018
22,696
8,231
113
Golgotha, (from Latin calva: “bald head” or “skull”)
גל גת. גלית
Goliath. Gol -gath

Goliath or properly known as goliath of gath as I have written above in Hebrew was beheaded and his head is placed at the place outside of Jerusalem named after him "golgatha"
 

Genez

Junior Member
Oct 12, 2017
2,746
400
83
Chronister would destroy this pretender. It wouldn't even be close. But it would be embarrassing.

You sound like a Saturday night fights challenger boating on TV.

Hardly the Holy Spirit.....
 

Genez

Junior Member
Oct 12, 2017
2,746
400
83
גל גת. גלית
Goliath. Gol -gath

Goliath or properly known as goliath of gath as I have written above in Hebrew was beheaded and his head is placed at the place outside of Jerusalem named after him "golgatha"
Documentation? Or, tradition?