There will be no Rapture!!!

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They will end the moment it happens;)
All that will happen is those looking to save their lives by being raptured will lose their lives.

Matthew 16:25
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

You were told to be faithful unto death, not to run fly jump hide from it.

Revelation 2:10
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer. Behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried, and ye shall have tribulation ten days. Be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of Life.
 

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All that will happen is those looking to save their lives by being raptured will lose their lives.

Matthew 16:25
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

You were told to be faithful unto death, not to run fly jump hide from it.

Revelation 2:10
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer. Behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried, and ye shall have tribulation ten days. Be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of Life.
What about those who have lost their lives for Jesus sake, will they find it?
 

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What about those who have lost their lives for Jesus sake, will they find it?
Absolutely ridiculous. You really think the rapture the harpazo is about escaping? a free ticket to get away from everything? youare missing the entire point and believe me the rapture is only the start everyone taken will not simply be free from what is to come no they will come back with Christ himself to fight the war we sought to be be strong in Christ to begin with

there is a reason such people are taken and it isn't to escape they were built for a purpose the armies of the devil will come and only those with oil in their lamps will recieve all that is to come but more than that the armies of the enemie will tremble and fall before those he has called his look at the bigger picture what was the purpose of us being strong in faith in love in him in general if it was just to make it to heaven.
 

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Absolutely ridiculous. You really think the rapture the harpazo is about escaping? a free ticket to get away from everything? youare missing the entire point and believe me the rapture is only the start everyone taken will not simply be free from what is to come no they will come back with Christ himself to fight the war we sought to be be strong in Christ to begin with

there is a reason such people are taken and it isn't to escape they were built for a purpose the armies of the devil will come and only those with oil in their lamps will recieve all that is to come but more than that the armies of the enemie will tremble and fall before those he has called his look at the bigger picture what was the purpose of us being strong in faith in love in him in general if it was just to make it to heaven.
I apologize I meant to speak this to @Truthnightmare
 
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What about those who have lost their lives for Jesus sake, will they find it?
Revelation 6:9
And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held

And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth

And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled
 
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I apologize I meant to speak this to @Truthnightmare
Jesus said he is the boss (master) and he is leaving, but he will return.. He said keep working, and when he returns He better find you working…. When he returns, and finds out you have been taken, and are no longer working, you are in trouble… So simple.
 

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Revelation 6:9
And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held

And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth

And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled
What about those who are alive?
 

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Titus 2:13 Looking for that Blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Dan 12:12 Blessed is he who waits and comes to the thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.
 
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What about those who are alive?
1 Thessalonians
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, ( a gathering not a literal cloud) to meet the Lord in the air: (spiritual bodies not literal air) and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

clouds: Greek word #3507 nephele (nef-el'-ay); from #3509; properly, cloudiness, i.e. (concretely) a cloud.
Cloud: #3509 nephos- a cloud, a large dense multitude, a throng; a). used to denote a great shapeless collection of vapor obscuring the heavens as opposed to a particular and definite masses of vapor with some form or shape; b). a cloud in the sky​
Above we see that the word can mean either a 'cloud in the sky' or a dense multitude or throng (of people). As I said, the Lexicons are not specific enough here for us to 'hang our hat on,' so to speak. However, there is another resource available to us to secure the proper meaning of the word 'cloud' as it is used here, and that is Scripture itself. We shall let the Bible translate itself. The word "Cloud" #3509 'nephos' whence comes our word 'clouds' is used in only one place in the entire Bible, this will remove any ambiguity with the word usage.

Apostle Paul wrote our Scripture here in 1st Thessalonians, he also wrote the book of Hebrews. It is in the book of Hebrews that Paul used the word "cloud #3509.

Air: Greek word #109 aer (ah-ayr'); from aemi (to breathe unconsciously, i.e. respire; by analogy, to blow); "air" (as naturally circumambient)​
This is what God did into Adams nostrils, and through Christ we shall have the "breath of eternal life." The Hebrew counterpart for this word is:

breath of (life): Hebrew word #5397 neshamah (nesh-aw-maw'); from 5395; a puff, i.e. wind, angry or vital breath, divine inspiration, intellect. or (concretely) an animal: KJV-- blast, (that) breath (-eth), inspiration, soul, spirit. Neshamah - The breath, the spirit; a) the breath (of God) b) the breath (of man) c) every breathing thing d) the spirit (of man).​
Observe below:

Gen 2:7
7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. (KJV)​
 

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All that will happen is those looking to save their lives by being raptured will lose their lives.

Matthew 16:25
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

You were told to be faithful unto death, not to run fly jump hide from it.

Revelation 2:10
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer. Behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried, and ye shall have tribulation ten days. Be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of Life.
Verse taken out of context is not good...
 

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1 Thessalonians
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, ( a gathering not a literal cloud) to meet the Lord in the air: (spiritual bodies not literal air) and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

clouds: Greek word #3507 nephele (nef-el'-ay); from #3509; properly, cloudiness, i.e. (concretely) a cloud.​
Cloud: #3509 nephos- a cloud, a large dense multitude, a throng; a). used to denote a great shapeless collection of vapor obscuring the heavens as opposed to a particular and definite masses of vapor with some form or shape; b). a cloud in the sky​
Above we see that the word can mean either a 'cloud in the sky' or a dense multitude or throng (of people). As I said, the Lexicons are not specific enough here for us to 'hang our hat on,' so to speak. However, there is another resource available to us to secure the proper meaning of the word 'cloud' as it is used here, and that is Scripture itself. We shall let the Bible translate itself. The word "Cloud" #3509 'nephos' whence comes our word 'clouds' is used in only one place in the entire Bible, this will remove any ambiguity with the word usage.

Apostle Paul wrote our Scripture here in 1st Thessalonians, he also wrote the book of Hebrews. It is in the book of Hebrews that Paul used the word "cloud #3509.

Air: Greek word #109 aer (ah-ayr'); from aemi (to breathe unconsciously, i.e. respire; by analogy, to blow); "air" (as naturally circumambient)​
This is what God did into Adams nostrils, and through Christ we shall have the "breath of eternal life." The Hebrew counterpart for this word is:

breath of (life): Hebrew word #5397 neshamah (nesh-aw-maw'); from 5395; a puff, i.e. wind, angry or vital breath, divine inspiration, intellect. or (concretely) an animal: KJV-- blast, (that) breath (-eth), inspiration, soul, spirit. Neshamah - The breath, the spirit; a) the breath (of God) b) the breath (of man) c) every breathing thing d) the spirit (of man).​

Observe below:

Gen 2:7
7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. (KJV)​
So they get raptured
 

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1 Thessalonians
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, ( a gathering not a literal cloud) to meet the Lord in the air: (spiritual bodies not literal air) and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

clouds: Greek word #3507 nephele (nef-el'-ay); from #3509; properly, cloudiness, i.e. (concretely) a cloud.​
Cloud: #3509 nephos- a cloud, a large dense multitude, a throng; a). used to denote a great shapeless collection of vapor obscuring the heavens as opposed to a particular and definite masses of vapor with some form or shape; b). a cloud in the sky​
Above we see that the word can mean either a 'cloud in the sky' or a dense multitude or throng (of people). As I said, the Lexicons are not specific enough here for us to 'hang our hat on,' so to speak. However, there is another resource available to us to secure the proper meaning of the word 'cloud' as it is used here, and that is Scripture itself. We shall let the Bible translate itself. The word "Cloud" #3509 'nephos' whence comes our word 'clouds' is used in only one place in the entire Bible, this will remove any ambiguity with the word usage.

Apostle Paul wrote our Scripture here in 1st Thessalonians, he also wrote the book of Hebrews. It is in the book of Hebrews that Paul used the word "cloud #3509.

Air: Greek word #109 aer (ah-ayr'); from aemi (to breathe unconsciously, i.e. respire; by analogy, to blow); "air" (as naturally circumambient)​
This is what God did into Adams nostrils, and through Christ we shall have the "breath of eternal life." The Hebrew counterpart for this word is:

breath of (life): Hebrew word #5397 neshamah (nesh-aw-maw'); from 5395; a puff, i.e. wind, angry or vital breath, divine inspiration, intellect. or (concretely) an animal: KJV-- blast, (that) breath (-eth), inspiration, soul, spirit. Neshamah - The breath, the spirit; a) the breath (of God) b) the breath (of man) c) every breathing thing d) the spirit (of man).​

Observe below:

Gen 2:7
7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. (KJV)​
I'll stick with my KJV. Clouds mean clouds...the white things in the air...it specifically states in the air....no need to Greekify it.
 

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The gospel of Jesus Christ is a gospel of the resurrection life. The rapture is the conclusion to the church age.
 
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I'll stick with my KJV. Clouds mean clouds...the white things in the air...it specifically states in the air....no need to Greekify it.
That’s fine… So Jesus is a lion and a lamb.
Satan is a dragon and a serpent.
Eve is the mother of all living, including giraffes and butterflies.

Why don’t you do yourself a favor and actually read the letter the KJ translators wrote to the reader..

Below is the original essay prefixed to the King James Version in the edition of 1611, in which the translators defend their version against criticisms they expected to be brought against it. The text here has been taken from The Holy Bible, an Exact Reprint Page for Page of the Authorized Version Published in the Year MDCXI. (Oxford, 1833). Here the spelling and the use of italics has been modernized; the subject headings (which were set in the margins) are placed in the body of the text; and the scripture references in the margin are inserted in the text in square brackets. The many references to works of the church fathers which appeared in the margins are here omitted.

You don’t not know what you are reading!
 
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So they get raptured
Laughing doesn’t make you correct…
The text says when Jesus returns He will gather up the living believers in a big group as they are transformed into there spiritual bodies..
If you are unfamiliar with the manuscripts, then that is you… but don’t trying and cast your ignorance and lack of understanding Greek as a promotion for genuine study.

We were told to study the word, not just read it as a kindergarten book.
 

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Jesus said he is the boss (master) and he is leaving, but he will return.. He said keep working, and when he returns He better find you working…. When he returns, and finds out you have been taken, and are no longer working, you are in trouble… So simple.
show me where he says or even hints at this. believe me you won't be able to work in the state you are in now when this time comes. can you imagine the smell of melted flesh on the gorund the sickness and desease in the air where even water the most basic need and food are eaten only to make you sick? can you imagine going against all luxeries you enjoy even just the internet being taken away?

the rapture is not an escape it is the bringing to what is to come and you who even doubts him snatching away those who are his if you have any doubt that he would cover his own in his wings as hen does for their chicks then I am sorry you are not prepared.

This is not a theologocial event it isn't something you doctrines or your demoninations or your own beliefs or truth of what you percieve it to be matters
If you want to work in such a time then you have to be resurrected you have to be changed this is a spiritual warfare right now but it will manifest as real as anything else the horror and even the most twisted movies don't begin to compare.

Don't assume that just any believer can stand against what is to come this is a war a battle that can only be done with those who truly have faith in their god relying his strength his glory his majesty you think you can handle the worst of the worst in your state when you can't even believe and accept what he has said in his word how he warned us ahead of time?
i'm sorry but you are not prepared
 

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That’s fine… So Jesus is a lion and a lamb.
Satan is a dragon and a serpent.
Eve is the mother of all living, including giraffes and butterflies.

Why don’t you do yourself a favor and actually read the letter the KJ translators wrote to the reader..

Below is the original essay prefixed to the King James Version in the edition of 1611, in which the translators defend their version against criticisms they expected to be brought against it. The text here has been taken from The Holy Bible, an Exact Reprint Page for Page of the Authorized Version Published in the Year MDCXI. (Oxford, 1833). Here the spelling and the use of italics has been modernized; the subject headings (which were set in the margins) are placed in the body of the text; and the scripture references in the margin are inserted in the text in square brackets. The many references to works of the church fathers which appeared in the margins are here omitted.

You don’t not know what you are reading!
The Stars were given to us as signs, they proclaim the glory of God.

Genesis 1:14 Then God said, “Let there be light-bearers (sun, moon, stars) in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be useful for signs (tokens) [of God’s provident care]

Psalms 19:1 The heavens are telling of the glory of God; And the expanse [of heaven] is declaring the work of His hands. 2 Day after day pours forth speech, And night after night reveals knowledge. 3 There is no speech, nor are there [spoken] words [from the stars];
Their voice is not heard. 4 Yet their voice [in quiet evidence] has gone out through all the earth, Their words to the end of the world.


One constellation is a lion, one is a serpent, another is a dragon and another is a lamb that is sacrificed for us. The story is in the stars telling us the glory of God.
 

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We are most certain the 144k are indeed [[SERVANTS of God during the Tribulation]]:
Not all servants preach. Is there anything in the bible about them preaching?





And the way Scripture is laid out, we believe HOW these SERVANTS of GOD ""serve," [results] into a GREAT MULTITUDE of people Saved
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9 After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands
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14 ....... “These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

That is from Revelation Chapter 7 ^
There is nothing, literally nothing, that says the 144k preached to them, nor that they were saved or converted to Jesus during the tribulation.


Logically speaking, Evangelizing/Preaching, seems to be the most obvious and legit answer to ""how"" the 144k Served God.
You have used pure imagination to come to that conclusion.