There will be no Rapture!!!

LightOfMyLife · Sep 15, 2023

The saints will be raptured in Gods perfect timing. He is giving people more time to accept Jesus as their personal Savior not willing that any should perish. Then it is ready or not here I come.

Truthnightmare · Sep 15, 2023

LightOfMyLife said:

Do you believe the rapture happens before the tribulation? Because in Revelation 13:7 the tribulation has already started.

Truthnightmare · Sep 15, 2023

Blain said:

Sure… In 1st Kings the 12 tribes were about to go to war…. God was not going to allow this.

Kings 12:19 "So Israel rebelled against the house of David unto this day."

So when you hear the word "ISRAEL" from this point on in scripture, it is always refering to the ten tribes that go to make up "the House of Israel".

split into two Kingdoms:

The Southern Kingdom:
Consisted of two of the tribes (Judah and Benjamin) and were called Judah with their capital in Jerusalem.

Judah punished:
Because of idolatry, God also punished Judah, and the Two Tribe Southern Kingdom Judah was taken into captivity by the Babylonians. In 477 B.C.* Nebuchadnezzar took Jerusalem and destroyed the Temple of God (the same location of the Temple Mount in modern Israel). At this time there are still no Jews, there is only the Kingdom of Judah.

The Northern Kingdom:
Consisting of the other Ten Tribes were called Israel and their capital was at Samaria.

Israel punished:
Because of idolatry, God punished Israel, and The Ten Tribe Israel nation was taken into captivity by the Assyrians and Israel became a province of Assyria in 611 B.C.* and the people Israel dropped out of the Biblical narrative and profane history as well for the most part. They became not a people (lo-ammi).

The_Watchers_2017 · Sep 15, 2023

ZNP said:

Summary of what is happening this Feast of Trumpets

I have been fully plugged into the “watchmen” community, Christians who are looking at the signs of the Lord’s coming and they are going wild right now so I figured I’d clue you in so if you hear about some of this you will not be caught by surprise.

Daniel 9:27 tells us that the Antichrist will confirm a covenant with the many for one Shemitah, one period of 7 years.

This word “confirm” does not mean “make” it means “to strengthen”.

On Monday and Tuesday of this coming week at the UN they are going to confirm and strengthen Agenda 2030, a covenant all the nations signed in 2015. That by itself would be interesting.

However, this takes place at the same time as the Feast of Trumpets, a Jewish feast announcing the coming of the Lord, and according to Daniel this seven year period begins with this event and ends with the Day of Atonement (which is ten days after the Feast of Trumpets). So the fact that this is happening the same day that Daniel said it would happen makes this a little more special.

But one wonders how often do all the nations confirm a covenant for seven years? We had thought that this would be a peace treaty but who makes a peace treaty that expires in seven years? We had a shut down of the economy for a few weeks until they could flatten the curve with the Pandemic, they impose Martial law temporarily until they can get an election. It is hard for me to think of any time the UN has “strengthened” a covenant for seven years.

Still the consensus among many eschatologists is that whatever this is that happens it also enables Israel to rebuild the temple. (Obviously you would not give them a 7 year permission, who would build a magnificent temple for only 7 years?).

So you can imagine how excited everyone got yesterday when Saudi Arabia announced they were brokering a peace deal for Israel at the same time.

Now before anyone gets too excited, we do know from Revelation that Israel will have the temple (or tabernacle) up and sacrifices being offered during this seven year period, and they cannot do this unless they have a certified Red Heifer that has not ever been used under the yoke and it cannot be more than 3 years old. These are exceedingly rare, the last one Israel had was several thousand years ago. But, it just so happens Israel does have five Red Heifers that have been certified, they arrived last year at the Feast of Trumpets and they plan to sacrifice one this coming Passover.

Again, a mistake many have made over the last few decades is seeing one sign fulfilled and assuming that this must be the start of the seven years called the tribulation. Before that can happen there must be a worldwide pandemic that shuts down the economy. It will be strange, like a bunch of different bugs all spliced together. This is prophesied in Joel.

No doubt some will talk about Pandemic we had, that would mean that either 2020 or 2021 was the Feast of Trumpets which takes place 10 days (ten years) before the Day of Judgment. So if you look at the Feast of Trumpets in 2020 you can see worldwide shutdowns of the economy and Ruth Bader Ginsburg died changing the balance of the court so that Roe v. Wade could be overturned. In 2021 you saw illegal mandates of the vaccine. The Feast of Trumpets is a two day event called “the longest day” or “the hidden day” and it kicks off the blowing of trumpets which I suppose you could liken to all these “watchmen” with their channels blowing their horns.

Still, if all this is the start of the tribulation you need everything in place to have the mark of the beast. That would require a global communications network like Starlink that Elon Musk is using. You also need quantum computers able to handle hundreds of millions of transactions a day, you would need AI intelligence to supervise it, you would need digital chips that can be inserted under the skin, and you would need a digital currency. Interestingly, that is how they plan on “strengthening” Agenda 2030. They are saying the only way to insure total compliance is by controlling what people can buy or sell. The good thing is this will only be temporary, for the next seven years. Kind of like telling a cow he needs to go into the stockyards in Chicago, but it will only be temporary.

OK, but even if all this is true Jesus told us there would be wars and rumors of war. Which brings up an interesting point, we have had a prophecy a few months ago that when all eyes are on China trying to seize Taiwan that is when their will be a surprise attack on the US. Another prophecy said this will be after a hurricane hits California (which hardly ever happens though it did happen just a few days ago).

However, there is one other thing that you have to have. The Bible says clearly that because people loved lies and to make lies God would give them a great deception to explain away the rapture. We believe this great deception will be saying that the rapture was an alien invasion and all the people were taken by aliens. Which can explain movies like ET and all the other movies about aliens. Still they would have to set the stage saying that Aliens were real before the event otherwise no one would believe it. Of course we have had a number of government hearings saying that so I suppose that could be what we were looking for.

But there is one last prophecy that would have to be fulfilled. Ten kings rising out of the nations. They hate the great whore, the city who rules over the kings of the earth. Right now the US dollar rules over the kings of the earth and if you look on our money you will see at least three buildings in Washington DC. so King dollar does depict a great city that rules over the kings of the earth. Yes BRICS is trying to replace it and this could be the ten kings the Bible is talking about. It is not completely clear, the Bible says “ten horns and seven heads”. The UAE is composed of seven heads (the emirates) and they have ten nations which would be ten horns. So who knows, maybe that is what the Bible is talking about.

However, one might think that this is not fair, we should have been warned. Interestingly there were two cows with sevens on their heads born on the Feast of Trumpets in 2014. This was seen as a warning that beginning in 2015 you would have seven years of plenty and then beginning in 2023 you would have seven years of famine. If you want to know the details you can look up Jonathan Cahn. He also wrote a book about how 911 was a harbinger warning us of what was to come. He also has written a book explaining how you can precisely and to the day tie the Pandemic to abortion in America as a judgment from God. You can read that as well.

In addition there is an amazing sign in the heavens right now, I would liken it to the star of David that the wise men saw when Jesus was born. If I told you about it you wouldn’t believe it, which interestingly is what Habakkuk says. God is working a sign that even if it were told you you would not believe. Instead I would reference you to rapture@hourlywatch, he has a youtube channel, and see his Revelation 12 Sign Breakdown video. That video gives a very good overview, however, since making that video much more has been discovered so you can watch a number of other videos as well on the sign.

There is more than this, but I think this gives a good summary of why many believers are so excited about the next ten days.

just curious to your thoughts.
we know there is No Trumpets, they use a Rams Horn.
but i think it is interesting to title it Trumpets.
in reality, they are sounding off the Shofar:

a second thought here, from one Watchman/Watcher to Another:
are you going to see the Movie Highway 60, that shows the still intact Altar Joshua made to the LORD, along the Ancient Biblical Highway throughout Israel?

ZNP · Sep 15, 2023

The_Watchers_2017 said:

Yom Teruah is something that most would not be familiar with. The awakening blast would probably confuse many, the longest day, the hidden day, or all the other names might confuse others as well. Rosh Hashanah is significant, but I wanted to emphasize the King coming whereas the head of the year is the world's birthday indicating the 6,000 years is up.

The_Watchers_2017 · Sep 15, 2023

ZNP said:

Yom Teruah is something that most would not be familiar with. The awakening blast would probably confuse many, the longest day, the hidden day, or all the other names might confuse others as well. Rosh Hashanah is significant, but I wanted to emphasize the King coming whereas the head of the year is the world's birthday indicating the 6,000 years is up.

AMEN!

The_Watchers_2017 · Sep 15, 2023

if one researches, every time they sounded off the shofar, it's an ANNOUNCEMENT being made.
Other times when the Sounding of the Shofar happened:
It announced the Creation, the Revelation at Mount Sinai, the exhortations of the prophets. It proclaimed a military advance; it called for a military retreat.

soon, it will Announce the Tribulation.
it is done from Heaven.

Like ZNP said, who is going to be paying attention to HEAR it being sounded off in Heaven?

and I agree with him, not many at all!

presidente · Sep 16, 2023

The_Watchers_2017 said:

Sealed isn't the same word as saved. It doesn't say the seal of the Spirit either.

After this we read of a great multitude from every tribe and tongue that came out of the great tirbulation.

LightOfMyLife · Sep 16, 2023

Truthnightmare said:

The first 3 chapters of Revelation is letters written to the churches. After this they are not mentioned. Yes, I believe the rapture happens before the tribulation I am Pre-trib. Hope this link helps you. https://bible.org/illustration/events-tribulation-period

Truthnightmare · Sep 16, 2023

LightOfMyLife said:

Ok… so why aren’t the saints raptured? Doesn’t that concern you a bit? What if you’re a saint?

LightOfMyLife · Sep 16, 2023

Truthnightmare said:

The saints are raptured before the tribulation. We will be raptured in Gods timing. According to scripture he is giving people more time to repent he is not willing that any should perish.

Truthnightmare · Sep 16, 2023

LightOfMyLife said:

I agree, God is very patient, I really feel bad for the Lord, all He wants is for all His children to repent and come to Him, sadly this won’t happen…

Ok… Look at Revelation 13

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. 42 months, that’s 3’1/2’ years. That means the tribulation has started.

And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

The tribulation has started, the saints haven’t been raptured, not only that, the beast overcomes them… Does that mean the beast kills them? You decide, but they weren’t raptured before the tribulation.

And as a former rapture believer, I use to think the church was taken in Revelation 4, because the church is not mentioned anymore….. Or is it?

Rev 22:16 (Jesus' last recorded words*)
16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. (KJV)

selahsays · Sep 16, 2023

Truthnightmare said:

. . .
Perhaps verse 7 is saying that many Christians will be overcome by Satan‘s lies and spiritual deception. Why? …because they didn’t read what is clearly written in God’s Word that warns us about the Antichrist appearing first, before Jesus Christ’s Second Coming. God tells us not to be deceived—and yet the world will be deceived (except for the Elect) into believing that the first christ (the Antichrist) is Jesus who will fly them away somewhere where they can escape. Oh yes, the world will be deceived into worshiping the Antichrist because of ignorance. (My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge - Hosea 4:6) Notice the very next verse:

Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

ZNP · Sep 16, 2023

Truthnightmare said:

Jesus tells us clearly why, there are three possibilities.

1. You have the evil servant in the house (church) who eats and drinks with the drunken and beats his fellow servants.

2. You have the foolish virgins, they have lamps that are lit and they were waiting for the bridegroom to come, but they don't have any oil and Jesus tells us they don't have a personal relationship with Jesus -- He says He doesn't know them.

3. You have the lazy servant who buried his talent. We have all been charged to be the Lord's witnesses. Granted, some are 5 talented, some are 2 talented and some are 1 talented. We don't have the same quantity of gifts, but as Peter said they are all like precious.

So simple test. Are you a faithful and constructive member of the church? Do you have a daily time to get into the word on your own, a time of prayer, of worship? And, are you investing the talent the Lord gave you in ministry?

On the other hand are your friends in the world? Do you insult believers who talk about the Lord's coming? Do you have a vessel full of experiences of the Lord or is it easier for you to talk about football or baseball? And instead of witnessing for the Lord are you thinking of great excuses for why you didn't do that?

ewq1938 · Sep 16, 2023

presidente said:

If one looks at the use of sealing in the bible, it is for saved Christians so this sealing is for soemone who is saved to protect them somehow. A seal on a document protects it from being opened and tampered with by the wrong person. I'd say that would equal the 144k from being deceived during the trib.

ewq1938 · Sep 16, 2023

LightOfMyLife said:

They are mentioned all through Rev. One place is Rev 11 as two Christian churches are part of the two witnesses.

ewq1938 · Sep 16, 2023

LightOfMyLife said:

Nope. The saints are mentioned as being in the trib.

Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

The saints aren't raptured away to protect them, instead they are in the trib and God allowed the beast to overcome them which means to defeat and kill them.

The church will be in the tribulation which is a war against the saints, where some Christians are killed. No one is raptured away to be saved from this:

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

Luk 21:16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.

Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Blain · Sep 16, 2023

Truthnightmare said:

Becuase this a generatiion who not of God and yest if we believe we grace runs that deep if salvation is for the lost and the prodical son the rapture is only the starting point the depth of his grace is shown in those left behind yet even he never gave up on them rise to face the absolute evil unfairness brutality of the enemy if you cannot understand the rapture if you cannot understand the entire story of the end times why do you study it? even if you are presented with the truth if if goes against what you think what you believe can you accept it even if it defies what you thouhgt?

Rememeber his ways are not our ways our thoughtd sre not his thpughts so to thiink your understanding your perception should automatically be denied and yet you seek proof for validation knowing full well how proof HAS NEVER MATTERED TO HIM validation or proof tell me does he does operate in fruits or proof or does he

Truthnightmare said:

It depends on whose words you look at. There is no doubt that yes great times of trouble will come upon the believerrs in the great tribulation however as far the rapture goes as afar as I can tell Jesus said to watch for it he said it would come as a theif in the night he referenced the ten virgins all these things have to do with watching as if it could happen any moment. He never said to try to understand or figure it out because if he himself didn't know how do we think we can?

Even the book of revelation to this day is not understood fully we all get bits and pieces but at the end of the day it is not written to understand how this is all going to happen it is written to prepare us for it.

Personally I think it is better to not try to because quite frankly we won't I would rather be living and watching while singing praise and worship declaring the coming of the king in faith when he does come than to be someone trying to figure it all out as if we could do what he himself couldn't.

The book that was sealed until the time of the end if had been unsealed the revelation would come flooding but clearly if the seal has not been opened then it is not going to be something we can figure out

Blain · Sep 16, 2023

ewq1938 said:

Nope. The saints are mentioned as being in the trib.

Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

The saints aren't raptured away to protect them, instead they are in the trib and God allowed the beast to overcome them which means to defeat and kill them.

The church will be in the tribulation which is a war against the saints, where some Christians are killed. No one is raptured away to be saved from this:

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

Luk 21:16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.

Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

This is all true but but the harpazo is spoken of the resurrection is spoken of and honestly if we are just going to go and be slaughtered and killed what is the purpose of the rapture? We do not live as one without hope and there is a reward spoken of for enduring and waiting so yes we most like will at the very least go through half of the tribulation but then if we are to just be killed what hope do we have?

ewq1938 · Sep 16, 2023

Blain said:

Not all Christians are killed in the trib so they will be gathered from wherever they are in the world and CAUGHT UP to one place in the clouds.

Threr are two hopes. For the slain, the hope of a resurrection. For the survivors, changed into immortal and then raptured to be with the resurrected saints.

There will be no Rapture!!!

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