Things to Consider Before Attempting to Correct the King James Bible

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Hevosmies

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the NIV mistranslates "sarx" which just means flesh as "sin nature". Thats a mistranslation. I know they probably meant well in that, but its NOT what the word means.

Its also got some weird readings like "The only begotten God" in John 1.

I also dislike how they put in the footnotes "verses X Y and Z not in the most ancient manuscripts". Casting doubt on what its really saying. When I read that im thinking "Well, what else is not in the original manuscripts?". We all know what verses those would be, the ones that hit home. :D

I guess you can look at it another way and say they are being honest and transparent in the footnotes and not hiding information from the public.

KJV is superior to NIV imo. I like the fact it says the word HELL instead of Hades. You say hades to people and they think of hercules and greek mythology
 

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the NIV mistranslates "sarx" which just means flesh as "sin nature". Thats a mistranslation. I know they probably meant well in that, but its NOT what the word means.

Its also got some weird readings like "The only begotten God" in John 1.

I also dislike how they put in the footnotes "verses X Y and Z not in the most ancient manuscripts". Casting doubt on what its really saying. When I read that im thinking "Well, what else is not in the original manuscripts?". We all know what verses those would be, the ones that hit home. :D

I guess you can look at it another way and say they are being honest and transparent in the footnotes and not hiding information from the public.

KJV is superior to NIV imo. I like the fact it says the word HELL instead of Hades. You say hades to people and they think of hercules and greek mythology
This thread is not about the NIV. The 1611 KJV had marginal notes as well. Some even offered alternate wording.

"Hades" isn't a translation; it's the original Greek word written in English letters. "Hell" has just as much baggage (if not more) than "Hades".

One's familiarity with a particular translation leads naturally to preference of that translation, and the assumption that it is correct.
 

Hevosmies

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This thread is not about the NIV. The 1611 KJV had marginal notes as well. Some even offered alternate wording.

"Hades" isn't a translation; it's the original Greek word written in English letters. "Hell" has just as much baggage (if not more) than "Hades".

One's familiarity with a particular translation leads naturally to preference of that translation, and the assumption that it is correct.
I know hades is the origianl greek word.

Thats why it should be translated to english in a translation. OTherwise just print it out in greek and let folks figure it out lol.

Everyone knows what hell is
 

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Only papists and psuedo papists; until this day we celebrate a pagan holiday masked behind a vail of surface Christianity brought to you by an Anglican king who rather than expell the papist murderers from his country, sought rather to appease them. Make peace through compromise.
Easter is a whitewashed amalgamization of European pagan first day of spring celebration.
Jesus is the Passover and the Passover of old the promise of Christ to come. I celebrate Christ in the same way he did in remembrance of him at the Passover Seder where his words are remembered and recited just as he did it.
 

Hevosmies

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Only papists and psuedo papists; until this day we celebrate a pagan holiday masked behind a vail of surface Christianity brought to you by an Anglican king who rather than expell the papist murderers from his country, sought rather to appease them. Make peace through compromise.
Easter is a whitewashed amalgamization of European pagan first day of spring celebration.
Jesus is the Passover and the Passover of old the promise of Christ to come. I celebrate Christ in the same way he did in remembrance of him at the Passover Seder where his words are remembered and recited just as he did it.
Did you know that in some european languages there is no separate word for Easter and Passover? Its the same word.

The only difference is in how one celebrates them:

The easter eggs and other fertility symbols are clearly of pagan origin. Thats clear. But the Passover is a biblical feast
 

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How the hell does the days of unleavend bread lead up to Easter? Because EASTER is the fulfillment of Passover... Christians don't celebrate Passover, we celebrate Easter - the resurrection of Christ. The resurrection of Christ is the fulfillment of Passover and you can accept the God given name of the fulfillment given in the KJV or you can believe the lies of the devil and believe Easter is a Pagan holiday..... Do your research. One guy a long time ago believed Easter was related to Ishtar and he was wrong. Easter comes from the German Oester which means morning sun or something like that.

I don’t even want to debate it so I’ll just say why God did it and be done with it.

That mention of pashca in Acts is the one and only place in the Bible where Passover is mentioned after it had been fulfilled.

No offence to you Locutus, you’re one of my favorites here, but I’m just telling it like is. The KJV translators weren’t idiots, they knew EXACTLY what they were doing when they used the word Easter in that verse..., that’s called INSPIRATION. Something or Someone caused the KJV translators to translate that word the way they did.

The KJV translators knew they were departing from the Greek in that verse and the only question is what inspired them to do so - God or the devil and that’s something the reader can decide for themselves.
My friend, Easter is not the fulfillment of the Passover. It was a pagan festival celebrating fertility, which is why the egg(which symbolizes fertility) is central to that pagan festival. I call it a festival because a better word I can not find right now to us.
 

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Did you know that in some european languages there is no separate word for Easter and Passover? Its the same word.

The only difference is in how one celebrates them:

The easter eggs and other fertility symbols are clearly of pagan origin. Thats clear. But the Passover is a biblical feast
In those countries it's likely that they didn't have a word for Easter or for Passover, until Roman Catholic 'influence", so having those words being the one and the same wouldn't be a matter of their language making verification. It would be their language being influenced by Catholicism. Just a thought.
Ya ever wonder why sometimes Easter and Passover don't coincide?
 

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Easter is named for the goddess Oestre, the goddess of fertility, ergo easter eggs.

Peope who love Jesus commemorate it as Passover, why? It is an historical result of hating Jews..

No matter, people celebrate it as commeorating Jesus Christ crucified for our sins.

No mortal is authorized to condemn anyone who loves Jeus fro celbrating Holy week because they love Him….perhaps in time those who use the word Easter will realize how off the word is, but as for recognizing and commemorating the wonderful deeds of our Lord, they cannot be called guilty of any kind of wrong-doing…….. Any accusing them should becareful for that in itself is judgin and a wrong-doing.
 

John146

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God did not inspire translators in the 16th century. Or He did, but he also inspired every other version.
If God did inspire the KJV, then all other English versions are not the words of God. The only choices are: one or none.
 

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My friend, Easter is not the fulfillment of the Passover. It was a pagan festival celebrating fertility, which is why the egg(which symbolizes fertility) is central to that pagan festival. I call it a festival because a better word I can not find right now to us.
Believe what you like but Easter like every word has more than one meaning. To prove this, answer the questions for yourself.

What do you call the celebration of the resurrection?

What do you call the pagan festival celebrating fertility?

When did the festival of celebrating fertility become known as Easter?
 

Sackcloth-N-Ashes

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Believe what you like but Easter like every word has more than one meaning. To prove this, answer the questions for yourself.

What do you call the celebration of the resurrection?

What do you call the pagan festival celebrating fertility?

When did the festival of celebrating fertility become known as Easter?
My friend, the word used was ‘paschal’ in the Greek, not Easter. Huge difference. The King James Bible translators grossly erred using Easter.
 

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If God did inspire the KJV, then all other English versions are not the words of God. The only choices are: one or none.
Oh look, an ad hominem statement. It must be so. Because God can't inspire who he wants to to what he wants done. And he certainly couldn't forsee how language would change and inspire something more accurate for those differences, and the you know the whole other language thing that so many people speak and read, ya don't reconcile God might inspire translations for them.
 

KJV1611

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I believe your reference here is people who just pick up dany version of the Word and decide to edit it. That is almost a pompous thught.

Now when people get together, scholars, religious men, etc. I would think in translated it, they pray, and of c course, are trained in linguistics.

So yes, people who pick up the Bible using strong's and other lexicons etc and believe they have resolved all are probably fooling only themselves and others perhaps but temporarily.

It is true as someone alreayd posted here, the best lexicon is the KJV itself.
My point is this. The Bible is a an esoteric book with its meaning concealed from the world of unbelievers in symbolic language.

To think that any group of men understand that symbolism from cover to cover is asinine. The only way we can have the word of God today is for God to translate the symbols himself anything else doesn’t come close to the word of God.
 

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Believe what you like but Easter like every word has more than one meaning. To prove this, answer the questions for yourself.

What do you call the celebration of the resurrection?

What do you call the pagan festival celebrating fertility?

When did the festival of celebrating fertility become known as Easter?
Passover


There are many names like Ishtar, and ostara and eostra.


When the Catholics took over most of Europe and amalgamated the celebration and rebranded it
 

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Oh look, an ad hominem statement. It must be so. Because God can't inspire who he wants to to what he wants done. And he certainly couldn't forsee how language would change and inspire something more accurate for those differences, and the you know the whole other language thing that so many people speak and read, ya don't reconcile God might inspire translations for them.
What you are suggesting is God changes His words and truth to fit in with the times. You do know that there are many differences in truth from the KJV to all other new versions. You do know that, don't you?
 

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My friend, the word used was ‘paschal’ in the Greek, not Easter. Huge difference. The King James Bible translators grossly erred using Easter.
Ok I can see right away you’re not reading my posts. No offence but if you researched the Easter issue the same way you skimmed my post then I can understand exactly why you believe what you believe about Easter.
 

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What you are suggesting is God changes His words and truth to fit in with the times. You do know that there are many differences in truth from the KJV to all other new versions. You do know that, don't you?
Not at all, languages changes and people speak different languages. The truth does not change, but the words used to communicate the truth have to be in the language that the people speak or it is jibberish, making the truth of no use.
If I started typing in creole you would not have any idea what I am talking about. You probably don't even though I use American English.
 

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Passover


There are many names like Ishtar, and ostara and eostra.


When the Catholics took over most of Europe and amalgamated the celebration and rebranded it
I’ve already read all the stuff your talking about and found that ONE man and only one man linked Easter to the fertility goddess.

But I’m sure you like most others here are more interested in casting doubt on the accuracy of KJV than getting to the truth.
 

Dino246

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I know hades is the origianl greek word.

Thats why it should be translated to english in a translation. OTherwise just print it out in greek and let folks figure it out lol.

Everyone knows what hell is
To the bolded portion; that is exactly what I mean by "baggage". What readers "know" heavily influences their interpretation... and it can be dead wrong. "Hades" in the NT is not the same as the popular notion of "hell".