Those Who Deny Sin in a Believer
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This offends me.. Seriously.. You're supposed to agree with everything I say.. No arguing, no back talk, no name calling. Y'all are just supposed to nod your heads in agreement with the ladybug.. 
smh,,Some people have the perfect little orange tabby, and think they are co-equal with them.. Just because they have faith in the tabby..
The gull!!
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It's not judgemental if the person who shares what THEY believe is the truth, is wrong and it's not true after all.Obviously, then it's natural to want to correct them. Just saying..
Just saying..
Sticks and stones..
It's not judgemental if the person who shares what THEY believe is the truth, is wrong and it's not true after all.Obviously, then it's natural to want to correct them. Just saying..
Just saying..
view of looking at life where it fails.
Just saying from your own perspective they have failed is just repeating ones belief system as if
this shows anything other than you have a strong conviction on where you stand.
What most fail to do is clearly state why they believe such a position, probably because they are
scared of the consequences. But in Christ we are standing on Gods word, our hearts, our lives,
and how this echoes His Holy Spirit working daily in us.
This appears the approach you guys have taken.
It is so bad many will not engage any longer because they just get angry.
The problem with all belief systems is they always rely on an assumption. Until you can
define your own assumptions, discussion is just like this, one group proclaiming against another
as if they should just fold and accept defeat. It does not hurt to discover the assumptions,
but it helps explain why people often cannot come together while apparently believing the same
things.
So one basic assumption is walking righteously, in obedience to the law of Christ is impossible.
If this is true, the law could not be the gatekeeper of heaven.
Two things add to this conclusions.
1. Personal experience of trial and failure
2. Theology where scripture seems to support this proposition.
Now as long as you hold to this belief so will the grace alone future sin forgiven theology
works.
What people may be less aware is this historically has been going on since the foundation
of the church. So no one is going to definatively win, you just choose your assumption and
live at peace with those who take a different view. Surely that is the way of Christ.
It is so bad many will not engage any longer because they just get angry.
The problem with all belief systems is they always rely on an assumption. Until you can
define your own assumptions, discussion is just like this, one group proclaiming against another
as if they should just fold and accept defeat. It does not hurt to discover the assumptions,
but it helps explain why people often cannot come together while apparently believing the same
things.
So one basic assumption is walking righteously, in obedience to the law of Christ is impossible.
If this is true, the law could not be the gatekeeper of heaven.
Two things add to this conclusions.
1. Personal experience of trial and failure
2. Theology where scripture seems to support this proposition.
Now as long as you hold to this belief so will the grace alone future sin forgiven theology
works.
What people may be less aware is this historically has been going on since the foundation
of the church. So no one is going to definatively win, you just choose your assumption and
live at peace with those who take a different view. Surely that is the way of Christ.
so the dude who lectures and slanders others, truthful others , and tells us what we believe, tells us we are emotionally hurting as if he personally knows us, this dude is lecturing on how to engage others.
there are mirrors in Britain right?? look in one sometimes, and lecture that person.
there are mirrors in Britain right?? look in one sometimes, and lecture that person.
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I am not dictating what you believe, I just try to understand it and define it.
Why are you so scared of defining who you are in Christ?
I come here because I rejoice in the Lord and all He is forever and ever.
If you cannot agree with me, then amen. If you do not like me understanding
your position and putting other reasons why some might not agree, you do not
like walking in the light.
For me I rejoice in the word of God and my foundations. Because the more I spend
with the Lord and His word, in prayer and discussion, in praise it becomes clearer.
I remember someone asking about the church being the bride of Christ.
The prophets continuously talked about the bride, Israel acting the harlot, sleeping
with anyone, and God taking the people in hand, executing judgement etc.
As the church is the people of God, so it applies to them as well. But sometimes we
live in the fog of just barely seeing Gods word and truth. I rejoice He is very patient
with us.
I love the truths of Scripture. you do not speak them. nothing personal. I am sure you are a good guy. but saying that one is not saved by grace alone, that salvation must be " proved by good works " is not Biblical truth.
this is not a game to me peter. I care deeply about other people coming out of this wicked, broken world system, coming to Christ. so yes, I am antagonistic toward anyone who would say anything that might prevent that.
I hear story after story from young people at my church about being shown the Love of God through Christ for them changed their sinful ways. telling them they have to do things to maintain God's love would re-enforce their feelings of unworthiness, many of them mention that feeling.
words matter. people matter. truth matters. fact matters.
this is not a game to me peter. I care deeply about other people coming out of this wicked, broken world system, coming to Christ. so yes, I am antagonistic toward anyone who would say anything that might prevent that.
I hear story after story from young people at my church about being shown the Love of God through Christ for them changed their sinful ways. telling them they have to do things to maintain God's love would re-enforce their feelings of unworthiness, many of them mention that feeling.
words matter. people matter. truth matters. fact matters.
Really, funny this is not how I recall our discussions, or me sharing and you continually
turning things back to salvation and trying to find something to convict me of.
I do realise that zero honesty or integrity is the standard you want to display.
But God bless you guys, I cannot fathom how you stand as you do, but I honestly wish
the best I can.
And if people want they can go back and read the threads, but what is the point.
When all is said and done this has never been about winning but sharing our walk in Christ.
If we cannot do this in love, we have denied our foundation upon everything else is built.
But I know this passes many by, but to the elect, who listen to His voice, they hear and
take note.
turning things back to salvation and trying to find something to convict me of.
I do realise that zero honesty or integrity is the standard you want to display.
But God bless you guys, I cannot fathom how you stand as you do, but I honestly wish
the best I can.
And if people want they can go back and read the threads, but what is the point.
When all is said and done this has never been about winning but sharing our walk in Christ.
If we cannot do this in love, we have denied our foundation upon everything else is built.
But I know this passes many by, but to the elect, who listen to His voice, they hear and
take note.
Here is a good short 6 minute video that looks at predestination and the meaning of "the elect" if anyone is interested in this subject. Sometimes us Christians say things and the meaning of these "sayings" can be different depending on the church teachings we have been brought up in.
[video=youtube;d4Ewsad_yEk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4Ewsad_yEk[/video]
[video=youtube;d4Ewsad_yEk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4Ewsad_yEk[/video]
The last refrain we can all agree with.
What surprises me is your antagonism, based on the premise it is wicked to believe
we have fruit of Gods work in our lives.
Now I do not hold to proving salvation, because I think this is an absurd idea.
It is like saying prove you are married. One has a wife and lives together.
So you make me an enemy and say I am wicked for something I do not do.
So do you see how sinful your behaviour is and condemning. You feel empowered to disown
all my spiritual experiences, my faith, my hopes, my prayers, all that I am on this basis.
I do not know what makes you feel this is righteous behaviour, or how you have become an
agent of destruction and not love and grace, but this is your fruit, to destroy and rip at others.
The reason why I oppose lawlessness, is because morality matters, and the gospel is about
love and communion with Him empowering us to be moral salt and light in this world.
I would hope you do believe we need to be moral people in our walk with Christ?
What surprises me is your antagonism, based on the premise it is wicked to believe
we have fruit of Gods work in our lives.
Now I do not hold to proving salvation, because I think this is an absurd idea.
It is like saying prove you are married. One has a wife and lives together.
So you make me an enemy and say I am wicked for something I do not do.
So do you see how sinful your behaviour is and condemning. You feel empowered to disown
all my spiritual experiences, my faith, my hopes, my prayers, all that I am on this basis.
I do not know what makes you feel this is righteous behaviour, or how you have become an
agent of destruction and not love and grace, but this is your fruit, to destroy and rip at others.
The reason why I oppose lawlessness, is because morality matters, and the gospel is about
love and communion with Him empowering us to be moral salt and light in this world.
I would hope you do believe we need to be moral people in our walk with Christ?